My first paysite? I've got a new niche idea!

[incredibleworkethic]

I have a new niche that has barely been tapped (and why hasn't it?). I'm obviously not going to post it JUST YET.

I know, in my opinion, what makes a good porn site, which is why I even considered myself running one for the first time.

Is there anyone I can contact, maybe one of the medium - bigger sites, that would like to run with my idea?

Or is there anyone that wouldn't mind speaking to me about how to start a CCBill site? What are the costs involved, is it a good idea to start a ccbill account if I have only one site idea?

More importantly, how do I determine if it's worth making a pay site? I'm actually into the niche I'm speaking of and I could barely find anything on the tubes about it. So maybe there's a chance?

Pardon my ignorance! I just don't know what I should do , I've never really come across a decent idea for a pay site before.

I guess, what is your approach? Let's say the niche is small-medium traffic, but probably highly converting when the right people run into it?

Thanks for any information you can provide.

[The Porn Nerd]

I run 32 CCBill paysites (with more to come) so the cost of doing a paysite is:

CCBill registration fee ($1000)
hosting
domain
web design ($500-$2000+ depending)
content (either bought or you shoot it yourself)
Affiliate Program setup/scripting (costs vary)

If you're editing video and uploading to tubes yourself or hiring someone to do that for you. This includes any 'affiliate' work like submitting galleries, free sites, etc.

So if you have enough decent content and a budget then it's worth taking a shot. But since you're not sure if this niche will sell or not I would actually try opening a clips4sale store first and test out the content/concept there first.

If you're into the niche then you might have a chance if you're passionate about it, and creative in your presentation/execution. But the paysite game is a tough one these days.

Good luck!!

[incredibleworkethic]

Thanks for your response!

Either I go full force and make it my baby or I sell the idea to someone established that can run with it.

I think I could reduce costs by having an established company take my idea in a partnership like manner and incorporate my niche while shooting their normal content.

It would probably add 10mins - 60mins to their shooting time, but would be incredibly hot if done right.

That way the only thing they really have to do to launch the site is:

- create a design (with their established designer)
- add it to their program (get affiliates to easily start promoting it)
- use their payment processor (which they already pay for)
- add studio and video processing time, branding. (which would be the biggest cost in my opinion)

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by incredibleworkethic

That way the only thing they really have to do to launch the site is:

- create a design (with their established designer)
- add it to their program (get affiliates to easily start promoting it)
- use their payment processor (which they already pay for)
- add studio and video processing time, branding. (which would be the biggest cost in my opinion)

the "only" ???

[incredibleworkethic]

You know what I mean, I think .

The last bullet point is the toughest for an established company, no?

[SpicyM]

Isn't the registration free for webmasters from EU?

+ there is also the MasterCard fee , other than that the most money should be spent on the content

[incredibleworkethic]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Isn't the registration free for webmasters from EU?

+ there is also the MasterCard fee , other than that the most money should be spent on the content

Yes, for content, I would love to piggy back and team up with someone because it could be shot at the same time with minimal interference.

I just explained to Porn Nerd via ICQ this:

It's got a similar search popularity as trampling and the concept is as simple to implement as "gaping".

None of those things I just said are related to the idea but just to give you an idea how popular it is and how easy it is to implement.

Basically, it's as simple as gaping a girl during the shoot. Took all of 10 seconds to do and satisfies the niche.

[RuthB]

This may be of some use to you http://yourpaysitepartner.com/starting-a-site.php

From the page I linked:

Creating your own adult pay site is unbelievably exciting; after all, there aren't many businesses as fun as the adult industry. As exciting as it is it's still a business and like any business there are many aspects that can make entering it seem extremely daunting. When starting any new venture it's common and easy to get overwhelmed which is why we strive on making the process of starting a site with YPP an easy, stress free process.

Good luck to you!

[Paul]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

But since you're not sure if this niche will sell or not I would actually try opening a clips4sale store first and test out the content/concept there first.

If you're into the niche then you might have a chance if you're passionate about it, and creative in your presentation/execution. But the paysite game is a tough one these days.

That's decent advice

Just keep expenses to a minimum, create 5 - 10 clips for this niche idea and then spend your time and effort on generating traffic to your store. If it converts well then you know you've got something that'll convert and if it generates enough income you can scale up and start your own paysite.

Your not going to get any money for an idea, ideas are a dime a dozen. It's the execution of an idea that's important. What's more likely to happen is you'll tell someone and if it has the potential to make money then they'll steal the idea and make money from it instead of you.

[deltav]

I'd highly recommend keeping the idea in-house (i.e. in your head) and test the waters - just because you've got a "hunch" that this underserved niche might be profitable doesn't mean it truly is. Do some feasibility studies with say Clips4sale as mentioned, and/or float some content on networks like Tumblr and/or Reddit, see what kind of response results. Then you'll have a better idea whether a paysite would have a chance.

But yeah, in 2014 I'd put the costs of entry for a single paysite just getting started to be well over 10k minimum - users just expect that much content. Of course if you really do have something in demand and unsaturated, you could make that back pretty quick.

Don't share the idea with anyone, if it's good they will absolutely steal it with zero credit to you.

[Femjoy Michael]

Originally Posted by deltav

But yeah, in 2014 I'd put the costs of entry for a single paysite just getting started to be well over 10k minimum - users just expect that much content. Of course if you really do have something in demand and unsaturated, you could make that back pretty quick.

Don't share the idea with anyone, if it's good they will absolutely steal it with zero credit to you.

Totally, 100% agree with deltrav.
Shoot a few scenes yourself, with your own money and own it. You can put it on sale at clips4sale, get a domain name to point to your clips4sale store, and promote it on forums/boards related to your niche. Watermark the clip with that url and upload a few samples to the tubes. Depending on what you are actually shooting, this could be as little as a couple hundred dollars in expenses. Do this and test the niche.

Don't partner with any paysite unless you already have a viable, working product because all the big guys can steal your idea. If the content is as easy to shoot as you say it is, their economies of scale in the production department, will pulverize you.

Stay small and quiet if the idea is good.

expect a small niche site to cost you at least $10k as deltrav pointed out.
If you plan to update somewhat regularly (once a week or once bi-weekly since it is niche), you can break even in 3-6 months with 100 members at the average $29.95/month membership fee.

If you think your idea can hit at least 100 members, go for it.

[2MuchMark]

I like Deltav's advice. Keep your idea to yourself. Contact CCBill directly and ask them all the questions you need. Try to build the site yourself, shoot your own content, etc. It may take you a while but you will learn alot, and the knowledge you gain will be very valuable to you later. Building a site is fairly easy, hosting is cheap, and CCBill is a good, experienced and helpful billing provider to have on your side, as are Segpay, Epoch, Netbilling and others..

Whatever the niche is, it is "yours", and only you will know how to shoot it and market it to other people who like that niche. If at all possible, try to do all of this without taking on a business partner unless you know for sure that your partner shares your passion for the idea, and is willing to put as much time and energy into it as you are.

Good luck!

[incredibleworkethic]

Thanks everyone posting in this thread.

Getting the content is really my next step. I'm currently emailing companies that are *close enough* to my niche, to see if they are able to film a little extra.

[Sid70]

Fucking making sales is a bitch, other stuff is fairly doable.

[Kenny B!]

Thanks for the plug Ruth!

There’s lots of good advice in this thread, especially starting a clip store to see if there is any interest in the niche. There may be a reason why midget amputee clowns are hard to find:-) That way your investment is somewhat limited for you to test the market.

As for people stealing your idea I wouldn’t worry too much about that, especially if this is a niche that you would need to know to shoot properly. JT has been very public about how he runs almost all aspects of his business, yet very few can emulate it.

There’s nothing wrong with partnering with an established company that already has the infrastructure and resources to grow your brand and your business with you. It can limit your start up and monthly costs as well as significantly cut the time getting your product to market. But I’m in the business of doing just that, so my option is a little biased;-)

If you’d like to discuss feel free to contact me, I extensive knowledge in many micro niches. No need to reveal what yours is, that’s just one piece of the puzzle.

[The Porn Nerd]

The biggesrt challenge for the OP will be shooting the content. He wants to "piggyback" his idea on existing shoots from companies already shooting. "Just shoot a little extra at the end...."

I'm not sure if this will work. If I was shooting content why would I allow this or strike a deal to do this? As mentioned, a big company already doing the shoot will just film that extra bit and keep it for themselves....

Quality content these days takes upwards of 10k to do right, and if we're talking the HD/erotic/beautiful niche then make that 20k and up. Very hard indeed to even shoot a couple clips when each scene is say 2-3k.

Anyway best of luck!!

[SmutHammer]

Depends on what you are shooting, 1K is plenty to get almost any type of scene, depending on where you find your talent.