that has to be the first time i've ever seen doctor oz used as an authority on something health related that wasn't sarcastic. That's fucking too much.. yeah low fat diets are healthy and will leat to fat loss too!

fucking clown shoes around here.. and one of you will have their kids die because of it, congratulations. Darwin always wins.

Do you realize that attorneys will pay experts in name only to find, or create, "research" to "demonstrate" their side so that they'll win and get paid very often? Like the guy who started this anti-vax crusade recently that so many of them view as some demigod of sorts. Again, it's silly and doesn't say anything at all. Academic research that's well cited and accepted in the community after it's been rigorously tested and re-tested does. The entire purpose of my lawyer in a DUI case is to win at all costs - even if I DID drink and drive, his job is to convince the court that I'm not guilty of it, even if there's evidence to the contrary. That's really basic and easy(for me anyways - I guess it just went over some peoples' head) to understand. On the other hand, the job of the prosecutor is to demonstrate that I DID in fact drink and drive, even if maybe I didn't at all.


I'll say this: I trust someone with rigorous scientific training over anyone with a law degree - whether it be with babysitting my dogs while on vacation, or about scientific matters. :thumbsup

You think Pharmaceutical 'research' is honest science and not faked for profit? Let's look at what the independent and not for profit Cochrane Collaboation had to say when they reviewed the studies being used to justify flu vaccines.

“…industry funded studies were published in more prestigious journals and cited more than other studies…”

“…reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin…”

“…there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions…”

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...1269.pub4/full

It's corporate research which is being used to fund vaccine 'science', they are paying for it, you dare prove vaccines are harmful and you won't be getting paid to research again. It is like saying that a Van is safe because it kills at a slightly lower rate than a lorry; the reality is that they're both dangerous.

Vaccines are not rigorously tested at all, there are major black holes in vaccine science which the pharmaceuticals won't touch, their safety is based on belief, not real science, as you'll see with the glaring problems below:-

1. No real controls in their safety studies, a saline solution would do the job just fine, but they always compare with another vaccine. The real meaning of such a study is 'Which vaccine is more dangerous?', it's simply a comparison, not a proof of safety.

2. They refuse to test the safety of the full vaccine schedule, they only test one vaccine at a time; that's not good science.

3. They claim to care about Herd Immunity but then recommend Tylenol / Paracetamol after vaccination which is known to prevent vaccines from working. They do not test the safety of each vaccine with the Tylenol which they recommend be taken with it.

4. They only test vaccines on the healthiest people, not on the sick, then they push them straight onto the sick.

5. Once on the market there is only a voluntary reporting of adverse effects, that means only 5%-10% of vaccine damage being reported.

6. No long-term safety testing, they safety test for a few days. Yet autoimmune diseases can start 2 months, 12 months or even 5 years down the line.

That must be it, the anti-vax group and a few families had more money to pay off people than the government and big pharma did.

Dr Oz? Really? Europeans take our TV far too serious I think.

Harvard ain't too bad you know :2 cents:

One Harvard Dr. against XXX Harvard doctors? what to do, what to do?

There is no correlation between a harvard degree and integrity on television.

Besides, what Oz said was his wife chooses not to get the combined mmr vaccine for their children.

Did you do the survey yourself?

I saw a YouTube video AND infographic about it, plus my cousin is a Harvard graduated Dr.

I have everything you do!

He blames it on his wife that they don't vaccinate, but we know damn well it's come from him because of the information he has. He knows if he admits the truth on TV Big Pharma will promptly end his career :2 cents:

BEHAR: Well first of all, someone want to know there`s a rumor that your kids did not get flu shots or swine flu shots is that right?

OZ: That`s true, they did not.

BEHAR: Do you not believe in them for the kids or what?

OZ: No, I would have vaccinated my kids but you know I - I`m in a happy marriage and my wife who makes most of the important decisions as most couples have in their lives.

BEHAR: Yes.

OZ: Who absolutely refuses. And listen the kids are pretty healthy. We actually think two of them caught swine flu very early on anyway. So there`s no point vaccinating them again. And you know -

BEHAR: What do you, on that same subject, what do you think about this controversy that`s going around about vaccinations and autism and other little things that happens to kids?

OZ: I think kids like the canary and the coal mine. That they are more susceptible to some of the toxins maybe our generation was able to overcome. That`s why we have a lot more allergies now. Perhaps one of the reason why we have more autism. But I don`t think it`s just the vaccine.

BEHAR: No.

OZ: Although, I don`t want to ignore the potential role they have. So what we do with our kids is we spread the vaccine out.

BEHAR: Right, so why don`t the doctors just do that?

OZ: It`s a lot more expensive and kids fall through the cracks.

BEHAR: Yes.

OZ: It`s hard enough to get in there once a year for the shots and imagine if you have to bring them in every other month. And those two factors are a big issue.

BEHAR: I see.

OZ: Plus, we have no evidence at all, Joy, none, that they actually cause autism.

is there still a choice?

Hey I was not posting bout DR OZ because I respect him, I called him a sociopath. He does not vaccinate his own kids but tells everyone else to vaccinate theirs. He uses the excuse that his wife is against it. That is just a smoke screen.

Yes, get them all separately in a rigorous schedule of injections over time.

:thumbsup

Yep, we're still free to remain unvaccinated :thumbsup

can't go to school here without certain vaccines. call it applied common sense.

sure hope so.. lots of talk about legislation floating around

it's a smoke screen for the fact he's prolly spent 20 minutes total with his kids in 2014.
He's as full of himself as he is full of shit.

But one thing is for certain, he's not anti-vaccine tv henchman miscommunicator with a hidden agenda working for the vaccine industry to misguide his audience.

look into Vaccine Exemptions, they are what the Pharma Execs use to get their unvaccinated kids into school :2 cents:

Get your exemption forms here

http://experimentalvaccines.org/vacc...emption-forms/

of course there are exemptions, that's not proof of anything.


In 1905, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the legal authority of state governments to pass laws requiring citizens residing in the state to use smallpox vaccine (or other vaccines) if the state considers mass use of the vaccine necessary to protect the "public health".

As of 2011, all 50 states have enacted vaccine laws that require proof children have received certain vaccines in order to attend daycare, middle school, high school and college.

However, in most states citizens currently have the legal right to opt out of using vaccines.

All 50 states allow a medical exemption to vaccination (medical exemptions must be approved by an M.D. or D.O.); 48 states allow a religious exemption to vaccination; and 18 states allow a personal, philosophical or conscientious belief exemption to vaccination.

It was being used as proof that you don't need to get vaccinated to go to school :2 cents:

what % opt out, whp?

I know this isn't exactly what you're asking for, but it's very useful for getting an idea globally

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24519949

Notice how Russia doesn't bother much with the Hib jab and they have an incredibly low rate of Diabetes Type 1 :2 cents:

A six-fold gradient in the incidence of type 1 diabetes at the eastern border of Finland.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15902849

http://vaxplanations.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/134/

also try

http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/

This is very sad, but as time goes on more and more people are realizing that Big Pharma have corrupted and lied about the 'Science' :2 cents:

In case anyone missed this, through freedom of information, here's a link to the transcript of a closed meeting of CDC, FDA, and the manufacturers discussing the possibility of neurodevelopment disorders resulting from vaccine components. This shows the importance of understanding that what gets fed to us is simply PR; not the real Facts. :2 cents:

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfdaexperts.htm

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.”

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.”

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.” ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

so why do you live with your mother?

Those who don't vaccinate are recommended to breastfeed for as long as possible :2 cents:

I don't understand why you people would continue to argue with this guy. You're giving legitimacy to his asinine arguments by even acknowledging them. I mean the idiot even admits that his formal education on the subject matter consists only of his own "research".

Yes it's sad that some people are so stupid that they might be influenced by this kind of nonsense. Unfortunately you can't fix stupid but at the same time people like the original poster are never able to influence actual policy anywhere because it's obvious to anyone with even a partial education that they're woefully ignorant on the subject matter. One country in Europe, I forget which off the top of my head, recently had their high court rule that the rights of parents to be ignorant do not trump the rights of children to be safe and have mandated vaccination. This is a trend that hopefully will continue making people like WHP even less significant than they already are. They will get more and more desperate, and make more and more noise, but overall have an even smaller effect. The vaccine conspiracy retards are losing and will have to move on to something else before too long.

I am not a medical doctor and so I have to rely on the knowledge of those who are. That's frustrating because lots of times doctors don't agree on things. In this case, however, the overwhelming majority of all medical professionals strongly agree on vaccination. Even if that weren't the case, hell, a single peer reviewed study is more powerful than every YouTube video these asshats can come up with.

I actually know two people, a man and a woman, who both do and have done an awful lot of work in Africa. One of them is currently volunteering at an HIV clinic in Numidia and the other has worked in a couple of different African countries with the Doctors Without Boarders organization. People like WHP absolutely infuriate them. When a mother would risk death to walk Hundreds of miles JUST for the CHANCE of getting their children vaccines, you have to ask yourself why? Do you think that "Big Pharma" has indoctrinated her? Of course not, it's because when you're actually face death for your children from preventable diseases, you have a lot different perspective than posting from your mom's basement in the UK.

I'm not trying to defend WHP, but since you mentioned Africa I wanted to point out that not all countries get the same vaccines. Some require more, some less, and some at different ages. There are variables that for whatever reason get ignored by studies.

It goes without saying that in some cases you absolutely must get vaccinated against some things, especially in regions of the world where your baby will flat out die if you don't. Yellow fever, malaria, hepatitis, and so on. Some you simply must have, no matter the risks involved.