The obvious conclusion is that vaccines containing thimerosal have nothing or at best extremely little to do with autism (and note that the MMR vaccine never contained thimerosal!). An obvious hypothesis explaining the continuing rise of cases diagnosed is that we are getting better at identifying it, and/or that the use of the term autism spectrum includes more symptoms that were previously not considered to be related.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba.../#.U0NbHVeGjJg

This anti-vaccine shit is so dangerous and for google scientists to generate irrational fear on social media platforms is completely irresponsible.

It's not just your kid. When your little shit doesn't get vaccinated he/she is a liability to the rest of society.

Drives me insane seeing this come up over and over, short trip but still.

Yea it's comical sometimes to listen to the side effects.

The increase in autism and autistic spectrum disorders in this part of Yokohama displays the same increase over time seen in other parts of the world. Here, though, the increase occurred even when the MMR vaccine was withdrawn. This destroys any possible causative link between use of the vaccine and autism.

Perhaps the most important features of the study were that it comprehensively covered a population, and that the population was served by a special service testing children for developmental; disorders and using standard methods over the whole period. The quality and validity of the study is superlative, and the size good.

Whatever causes autism, it is not the MMR vaccine.

http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandoli...nes/noMMR.html

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The sad thing is despite all your education, training, and experience in the medical field WHP still truly believes he knows better than you. Like any religious fanatic, there's just no way you're getting through.

I was going to respond differently, but I started reading the entire thread and bookmarked comments. My daughter worked with autistic kids a lot when she was in high school and the first part of her college days. She worked at schools specifically for autistic kids. I spent some time there and we talked about them a lot.

I think it is pretty obvious that it is the change of diagnosis that has caused the increase. What I found interesting is that so many of these autistic kids came from wealthy families. I guess having the cash to pursue the diagnosis helps, which could account for why some third world country does not have as many autistics.

So, how do you decide which ones to give your kids? I am not talking about flu shots.


I am not sure what you are talking about, but sounds interesting.

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It's called herd immunity. It's probably the most basic concept behind vaccines. It's like entering a conversation about cars and not knowing what an engine is.

So all of those judges and lawyers are somehow experts on vaccines now? If I want the answer to the nuances of law, I ask them. If I want the answer to the nuances of micro biology, immunology, chemistry, etc., I'll ask a specialist in the respective field. I understand a lot of laymen are intimidated by the overwhelming amount of knowledge these people have then they cook up some cooky theory because "they", but I don't particularly care about some random person's insecurities. McDonald's got sued for their coffee being too hot - the lady, IIRC, won. Does this mean coffee is bad?

It's.... silly, man. Come on.

Sure, I understand that there's monied interests involved, but there's not some big conspiracy out there. The crap behind cigarettes came out because people got tired of all the bullshit(in all honesty, I know less than nothing about the history / details surrounding that particular topic).

Everyone who I ever see express anti-vax views fundamentally just don't understand how science, or academia for that matter, works. If a scientist, or particular lab, were to find a more effective way to do a flu vaccine(example) that has zero side effects for any person, and this could be demonstrated repeatedly through rigorous clinical trials, they'd change the world and get tons of notoriety from their peers and the world. On the other hand, when some quack gets paid by lawyers to do a fake study, then publishes it, then gets his licensing revoked and shunned by the academic community, conspiracy nut jobs jump up and down supporting him because "they" and "the man" and whatever other whacko idea they can think up.


There's being skeptical, and there's being paranoid.

Lol Donald Trump is one stupid asshole.


First, congratulations Damian! And next, good for you. Listen to doctors and paediatricians and get your new munchkin vaccinated and please don't listen to Vaccine deniers.

While injecting Mercury is always going to be a bad idea, it doesn't mean that it has to be the Mercury causing the Autism. The studies show that in actual fact Autism is not brain damage from Mercury/Aluminum, but an autoimmune disease which the vaccines have induced in the gut, this leads to the brain not being supplied with the correct nutrients to function correctly

Then we would expect to see many people with Autism in their 50's, but we do not. :2 cents:

Big Pharma recommend Tylenol / Paracetamol for post-vaccination fever, this is known to decrease the effectiveness of vaccines, so they clearly don't give a damn about so-called Herd Immunity, they just want to sell more of their products :2 cents:

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...208-3/abstract

"prophylactic administration of antipyretic drugs at the time of vaccination should not be routinely recommended since antibody responses to several vaccine antigens were reduced."

Cigarettes are the perfect example as to why we should have absolutely no faith in the FDA and CDC on vaccines. :2 cents:

So let's follow your logic through, so you're comparing these two:-

1. Child gets MMR vaccine

2. (Japan) Child gets two vaccines, given at the same time, one for Measles and one for Mumps.

And you're saying that because there is Autism in both scenarios then that means that MMR doesn't cause Autism. I hope you can see that this logic doesn't stand up to scrutiny as the scenario also exists that both can cause Autism. In both scenarios the child is given concurrent live infections.

If they really want to test this then we need to have a child who has no vaccines, but Big Pharma keep refusing to conduct that study.

There's a study from California which found that the children who regressed into Autism after MMR were the ones who'd been given Tylenol / Paracetamol post-vaccination. The ones who received Ibuprofen did not regress into Autism.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18445737

"Ibuprofen use after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination was not associated with autistic disorder. This preliminary study found that acetaminophen use after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination was associated with autistic disorder."


Think about it this way, MMR is a live virus vaccine, that means three concurrent infections for the immune system to deal with, then the next thing the immune system is suppressed with Tylenol / Paracetamol when it's desperately trying to fight three infections at the same time.

If we look at the peer-reviewed study below we see that autoimmune diseases are induced by over-stimulating the immune system. Autism is caused by an autoimmune disease in the gut which has been started up by MMR + Tylenol(Paracetamol).

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0008382

"Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host's immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized criticality."

There's the info for those who want it, that's the science, but I'm done now as I have work to do. :upsidedow

I agree with everything you said, but as a complete aside, and unrelated to anything in this thread, take a look at http://www.upworthy.com/ever-hear-ab...r-millions?g=4

very eye-opening :thumbsup (basically, it wasn't what the media portrayed as being someone sueing simply because the coffee was too hot - just a few minutes long but worth watching just to be aware of what actually happened)

i lick Pooing in Vaccines... :2 cents:

The 1st is info from a parental survey with 83 kids who were autistic and 80 who weren't. Hardly scientific. The second you point out has references no later than 2009 and was meant to measure the immune system of mice that had their immune system purposefully destroyed by adding high and repeated dosages of antigens.

Thats it. Nothing about equivalent doses of vaccines that have been given to billions of people and have saved millions if not billions of lives.

"Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host's immune ?system? by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized criticality."

I'm sorry if your sister died or became autistic after an immunization. I really am. No one is claiming vaccines are perfect but for you to think that passing out vaccines for free for the most part is some sort of conspiracy or has any other purpose other than saving lives make you a fool.

So far the known side effects of vaccines are grey hair, wrinkley skin and impotence. Not to mention living past the age of 7 years old.

There are plenty of places that don't vaccinate. We see them pop up all the time when theres an outbreak or some fucking medical conspiracy/hippy/religious/third world/kings of leon concert group of people who don't vaccinate get together.

Unless you have devoted your life to saving others through medicine and vaccines and have double blind, placebo controlled, peer reviewed studies then what you say is not only ignorant but dangerous to the overall health of anyone within earshot or maybe even a cough from you.

I have a kid. I did the research hearing the same shit you did. I talked to multiple doctors and as far as I'm concerned parents should be locked up for not immunizing their kids.

Pull your head out of your ass. Really.

Hmm I wonder if they take into account the increase in medical care and the ability to treat diseases and illness that used to kill. Wonder if they took into account all the advances in modern medicine outside of vaccines...

And you'll notice those are recorded cases of, not of deaths. How many of those without vaccines would not have a single likely death due to our current day level of medical care...

Well if it was all about money then why vaccinate. Fill the hospital beds up. You people need to Google polio, smallpox, whooping cough, mumps etc...

I blame vaccines. They have allowed stupid people to live and breed more stupid people.

100 people who need a shot

Wehateporn is fapping hard to this thread right now. A wet dream come true

Now if only he'd huff some small pox to prove us wrong

How much do they make from mild childhood illnesses like Chicken Pox, Mumps etc which last a week or two? Nothing compared to leaving someone dependent on drugs for life to treat their vaccine-induced autoimmune disease. e.g. Diabetes Type 1

Think in terms of adult, imagine having lifetime rebills from a customer compared to one who cancels after 10 days.

Yet vaccines warn on the label that they can harm fertility; it's the vaccinated who are leaving the pool

Looking at statistics is part of science, the study was scientific run by scientists

The study is peer-reviewed, what they did closely mirrors the US childhood vaccine schedule.

It's sweet if you believe that these corporations who profit from your bad health are trying to help you with their vaccines, the studies show that they are sowing the seeds of disease to increase future profits.

Actually studies show that of the first world nations the ones which give the least vaccines have the best infant mortality rates.

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

There is a lot of propaganda out there, it's all paid for by a $Trillion industry, an industry which makes money when you get sick, they ideally want you on drugs for life i.e. lifetime rebills. Here's a former Pharma exec blowing the whistle on the industry


The problem is that there's so much propaganda around that it's very difficult to get away from when you do research for the first time, it will give you a false impression. I too used to believe in vaccines, I've had a fascination with the topic as I'm a bit like that having studied two science degrees. I can understand why people new to the topic will quickly take the pro-vaccine side, but you've got to keep your mind open and keep reading through the studies, keep listening to the doctors and researchers who are speaking out against the pharmaceuticals as this will allow you to form a balanced opinion on this complex topic. :thumbsup

Here's a good video for all those who are relatively new to the topic, the doctor looks into the history of childhood disease and weighs up the risks against the benefits of each vaccine.

Actually it's insanely irritating as I'm meant to be earning money, but I do the decent thing and pop in to make sure all those new to the topic have all the facts; I wouldn't want a kid to be vaccine-disabled just because I didn't post on a forum one day :2 cents:

I do believe modern testing and diagnosis procedures have increased the numbers some on a global scale, but it's not just third world countries with lower rates. Look up the stats on other first world countries. They have the same testing ability as the USA. However, not all of them push the same vaccines. There is endless amounts of information out there, look it up.

It very well may NOT be vaccines, it could be anything, but with the data that is out there, it's a little hard for me to rule it out as a possibility. Something is causing it, and the increase in American children particularly is alarming. 1 in 1000+ in most other first world nations vs 1 in 70 in the USA. That is simply staggering, and I find it hard to believe better diagnosis is the cause for such a mind boggling number, and only in the USA. Unless of course, it's in a doctor's financial benefit somehow to label more children as autistic. And I don't rule that out either.

It could just be diet, or lack of proper nutrients before a certain age. You personally know what a difference that makes to the body. I don't rule that out either. Until they actually know for 100% certainty what causes it, I've left my mind open to any and all reasons, as that is the only logical way to look at a problem that is without a solution. I'm certainly not going to simply put blind trust in any government agency or health organization that is funded by or lobbied by big pharma.

Do you honestly think that with those multiple court cases, with MILLIONS of dollars at sake, and the legal precedent it may create, that experts from both sides of the fence were not brought in? Or do you believe they let the local sheriff make the final call?

Yes you'd prefer them dead from your "facts"

For fuck sakes people... Stop believing what you see on Fox News, and especially stop listening to idiotic Celebrities (Trump, Jenny MaCarthy, etc) and politcians (who know who) who make stupid, dangerous off the cuff remarks about shit they know nothing about.

Listen to the Doctors and Scientists:

Start with JPEDS: The Journal of Paediatrics
Increasing Exposure to Antibody-Stimulating Proteins and Polysaccharides in Vaccines Is Not Associated with Risk of Autism
http://jpeds.com/webfiles/images/jou...SDeStefano.pdf

Not good enough? Go to the CDC Website at www.CDC.gov and you will find *INFORMATION*, not speculation, like this:
Some Common Misconceptions About Vaccination
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm

Too lazy to read? Then you're a danger to yourself, your kids, the people around you, and anyone who reads your rants full of misinformation. Or if you're one of those people who won't believe what the CDC tells you then there is no hope for you at all. Go stick your head up Donald Trump's ass and enjoy yourself.

hmmm.... "We thank Dr Paul Offit for his assistance in determining the antibody-
stimulating protein and polysaccharide content of specific vaccines."

Just read that study, Paul Offit is a vaccine patent holder who's made over $20 million from vaccines, his nickname is Paul 'Profit' Offit. When you see his name you know it's BS, he's effectively the car salesman of vaccines. He makes is paid Millions by Merck, that is Merck the makers of the MMR vaccine. The man should not be allowed anywhere near a study like this due to gross conflict of interest. :2 cents:

Profit Offit once said "an infant can safely receive up to 10,000 vaccines at once" :1orglaugh

This is one of my favorite scenes from Sleeper:

And that's just because I couldn't find that first scene where he wakes up which is a classic of slapstick.

Slapstick - unfortunately one of our greatest comics forgot all about it...

:D

CDC = Center for Disease Creation

CDC receives money from the Pharmaceuticals and is full of people who quit their job in a major Pharmaceutical one day, started in the CDC the next, then after a few years moved straight back to their previous corporate job. Conflicts of interests everywhere, certainly not independent.


No, the anti-vaccine people and those who are concerned with vaccine safety are the ones who've read a lot more than you, it's takes years of research to start to turn against vaccine. We don't get our information from celebrities either, that's just what the propagandists like to say, we get our information from top doctors like Dr Peter Fletcher the former head of the UK Department of Health, we also use our brains to look for conflicts of interest each time a study appears instead of blindly trusting them.

The game is rigged Mark, difficult to accept I know, hard to throw away your old belief system, I can understand you wanting to cling onto it.

Dr Peter Fletcher, former UK Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health on MMR/Autism

"it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."

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"the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history"

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"There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

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"Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,"

Let's see what a freedom of information request gets us, these are from a closed meeting of experts from CDC, FDA, and the manufacturers discussing the possibility of neurodevelopment disorders resulting from vaccine components.

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfdaexperts.htm

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.?

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we?ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn?t some possible problem here is unreal.?

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.?

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.? ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

Love that movie... :1orglaugh

Twisted minds think alike! :)

The "awakening" scene starts at 3 minutes, and about 5 minutes in is when the fun starts:



Time for an Orgasmatron experience:



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ADG

I have a question for the braindead people who like to make fun of people who protect their kids from the toxins that are added to vaccines. The tards love to make fun of people like Jenny McCarthy but here is another famous person who is also a MD who does not vaccinate his children. Why don't you tards make fun of him and his wife? Of course he tells other partents to vaccinate but does not vaccinate his own kids. He says his wife makes those decisions and that if it was up to him that he would vaccinate his kids. Nice excuse from another sociopath health care worker.:321GFY

I have posted this before and will do it again for the tards who cannot process simple ideas. It is not just the vaccines people are worried about but mainly it is the preservatives and adjvants added to the vaccines to make them last longer on the shelf and to also increase the power of the vaccines. If I walked up to your kids cereal bowl and dropped in some mercury I would be put into prison. However your doctor can inject mercury into your kid and it is completely legal. Absolutely brilliant!!!! And yes I know that Mercury has been taken out of child vaccines in the last decade or so but is still in the flu shot which kids and adults are constantly encouraged to get by the whore-ish health care workers.
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LOL, because Dr. Oz isn't a "celebrity medicine" sensationalist quack? It's widely documented that he offers pseudoscientific advice not really based on actual peer-reviewed research:

http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...oz-bad-science

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...a_fact_specter

http://www.slate.com/articles/health...t_science.html

Again, people like WHP simply don't understand how the science/academic/medicine world works, though the little swirly patterns in their eyes tell them they absolutely do and it's the rest of the world that's deluded. They Know The Truth!

Thanks, I'll definitely check it out when I wind down later on. :thumbsup