I'm pretty sure the subsidized insurance covers up to $50k a year income for a single person. I suspect 90% of GFY falls into that category. In fact I bet most Americans fall into that category considering the average median income in the US in 2013 was only $51k. Meaning Obamacare is helping average American tax payers..

For some reason helping average Americans is a horrible thing to some bitter people. Meanwhile they never have a word to say about the billions of welfare given away to the corporations whom are given subsidized profits in a so called free market system..

Its completely insane that you don't even know that was the case. You have so much to say about shit and never know a single fact. Yes, it was a 12,000+ page bill that no one read, that as usual was drafted by people that are not a part of the process - typically legal aids and interns.

You are being extremely dishonest by stating that it was debated for a year. It was barely a month old before it became law.

Same with some of the bail outs. Remember Obama getting all pissy claiming that we just didn't have time to wait to actually read and debate the substance of the bill? An 1100 page bill was finished in the evening and voted on the next morning with NO ONE having the chance to read it.... much less discuss and debate it.

By the way... who is reading, discussing and debating Obama's 40 or so unilateral changes to the law? Santas elves?

This is the law and all the regulations (continually adding 100s at a time) printed out:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFGcd8oCUAEEc7k.jpg

Yes. Every member of Congress read that. :1orglaugh

My healthcare costs have gone up significantly higher (percentage wise) late last year to right now when all these deadlines of Obama care were in place. When I care enough to check... I will post back.

They are so pure and altruistic, that they are exempting themselves and their staff's from taking advantage of the many wonderful benefits of this law, so that others may more fully enjoy the advantages.

It's only coincidence that they are getting to keep a better benefits package. After all,... they "care" right? I mean, that's what we are being told day in and day out... .so it must be true.

It's also so nice of congress to give them selves pay raises year after year and making sure they are excluded from insider trading rules. You act as if them having different rules for themselves regarding healthcare coverage is anything to be surprised about. They make all kinds of different rules for themselves vs the average person.

AND understood it :1orglaugh

They do... and its wrong. But an obvious point is that if the Affordable Care Act is such an awesome piece of legislation that benefits all, then why are they exempting themselves and more importantly, their staff?

Until March 31st, 2014 Americans making under 400% of the federal poverty level (FPL) can get a type of subsidy called advanced premium tax credits. Tax credits lower premium costs. Those making less than 250% FPL can get subsidies to lower out-of-pocket costs. Those making less than 138% FPL (in some States) may be eligible for Medicaid. Subsidies are only available through their State's health insurance marketplace.

1 person is $11670
4 people is $23850

No Vendzilla, No. I expect a better answer from you. Deflecting, and answering a question with another question, is amateur.

Let me put it another way. In the videos I posted above, republicans scream "death panels" when there were none, and said it would literally kill women. I'm willing to give Bachman some elbow room on this, but still. Please think carefully before answering : How can republican lawmakers, be expected to be taken seriously, when they talk like this?

Hi AmeliaG,

No, not at all. I'm actually trying to approach this in a different way. Of course, ACA / Obamacare is a complicated issue and for sure, not everyone thinks it is perfect. That's a given.

My question above was this : Let's say that you are a concerned citizen who wants health insurance. Why would you (continue to) believe people who (Seem to) use scare tactics like "death panels" and other rhetoric when none ever existed? Would you trust a realtor who said "Don't buy that house it will literally kill babies / buy my house (which I haven't built yet) instead" ?

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just asking why you might believe some (not all, ok Vendilla?) republican might say.

And why would you continue to believe reverse scare tactics by the Democrats?

So are you telling me that Congress passes bills without even reading them?

Bullshit. It's not like they walked into Congress one day, was presented a stack of papers, and was told to vote yes or no. They debated and planned this law for months. Not only did their staff read every last line and comment and footnote, so did the Republican party, the press, and the lobbyists. Saying they didn't read it is a bullshit story.

If they didn't read it, how could they debate it for months?

Hi L-Pink,

I don't have any democratic homies and I don't know anything about health insurance in the states, or anyone being forced to use anything, so I really could not answer your question.

What I'm asking now is why would people believe republican lawmakers like Bachman when they say crazy, flat out lies?

Or, do you think she is telling the truth?

And why would you trust someone who approved a healthcare bill they haven't even read much less understood or debated?

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Vendzilla cannot debate anything to save his life. He just cuts and pastes from the sites he reads and accepts it all as fact.

My favorite debate with him was the Waco one. He read a single comment by a single Congressman who claimed the Congressional report into Waco discovered that the fires were set by the FBI, without ever reading the report - which said the direct opposite.

How long did they debate this and discuss this?

More bullshit. You guys believe everything you hear don't you?

The healthcare law itself says just the opposite.

And? Your healthcare bill goes up every year. Stop bitching like a little bitch.

Mine went down. A lot.

From the time the bill was finished and made law? Not long.

And how do you debate something no one has read?


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100 clowns who need government assistance in perpetuity because they are incapable of taking care of or providing for themselves and their families.

Look you dumb fuckwit... An amendment was later introduced BY A REPUBLICAN to change that and disallow the exemptions after so much fucking public outcry that you apparently are completely unaware of as with everything else you talk about. So once again you are posting misleading bullshit to try to rewrite history.

Go back to trying to sell traffic from your flagship site rochardsbunnyranch.com on Juicy Ads with your estimated click volume of 3 uniques per day. No fucking wonder you can't wait to siphon tax payer money into your pockets.

Why only pick on idiots that are Republican? Why only post about Republican wrong doings? Why always with such obvious hate?

You are now know for such a slanted view that anything you say is also viewed as crazy ranting.

(except for Tesla posts, lol)


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Why are you calling me a moron? I didn't say anything about anyone on congress getting obamacare and I really don't know anything about it.

But since you brought it up, I found this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rom-obamacare/



peace.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHhh...

I see where the confusion is.

You missed his previous explanation in another thread that he is not biased at all. He claims he doesn't lean left or right... I'm not sure if he even knows he's Canadian.

Hi L-Pink,

I'm really trying hard not to be slanted. I am trying to make nice with Vendzilla, and give everyone a chance to educate us dumb Canadians.

Let me change the tone a little and remove Democrats and Republicans from this conversation completely, and ask this question:

Do you believe what Michelle Bachman (the love of my life) says about Obamacare? Is what she is saying true? And if you don't believe her, would you trust her again?

Of course my next question might be the same thing about another law maker, but for now, lets do baby steps.

Cheers.

Hi Sqealer,

Very good point, and you are right, I am demo-leaning for sure. But I will try to repress that side of me from now on and remain as neutral as possible. I will see no more democrats, no more republicans. No more white people, no more black people. Just people, people, people.

And yes I am totally Canadian. I put Maple Syrup on my Back Bacon at breakfast, wash it down with a cold Canadian beer, sing "Cooo, roo coo coo, coo roo coo coo!" to the Canadian flag every morning and then say Pardon me, just to practice my politeness. So in honour and in a manner of being Canadian, I will no longer insult any republicans.

Ok, on one hand you have someone making crazy negative assumptions about a bill they never read. On the other hand you have people aggressively preaching the positives of a bill they haven't read. How can you tolerate either stance much less take sides.


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It's the same as with any conspiracy theorist that thinks the moon landings were faked or the bible thumpers whom think Jesus rode a Trex. No amount of evidence against what they believe will ever change their mind as there is not a open mind to be changed.

At the time obamacare got passed, the democrats controlled all chambers of government - the presidency, the senate, congress. So they jammed it thru.

The republicans then took congress back in the next midterm shortly thereafter and have hated obama ever since, because he didn't give a fuck about them and right when he stepped into office jammed a law thru that they hated, all in the name of his legacy - he was going to be the president that finally reformed healthcare!!!! so yes all the democrats should go to jail starting with pelosi, because they passed a law they didnt read because they voted with the party line.

Let's recap;

1. Repubs have always hated obamacare.
2. Dems controlled all chambers of government and forced it thru. There was a debate but it didn't matter they got it to pass without needing any republican support. The public was also against it.
3. Republicans handed democrats the loss of the house / congress just after obama forced it thru. Because more people were against it then for it at the time. It was the main issue in the mid-terms, and the people voted accordingly.
4. Repubs then challenged the constitutionality of it in court while hating obama and blocking him at every turn. Obamacare is why they hate him. In first year of president, he fucked them and threw them to the curb. For everyone who blames obstructionist Republicans, but doesnt want to pin any blame on Obama, how willing would you be to negotiate with someone if the first thing they did in office was fuck you over?
5. Now everyone hates obamacare except those who benefit from it which is less than the people who will get fucked by it.

Let's see what happens in this years midterm election and let's am see what the next democratic presidential nominee says about it / supports it. We don't need to wait. Theyre expecting to lose the Senate and I don't think there is hope for the Dems to take the house. Democratic candidates are distancing themselves away from Obamacare.

If you benefit from the law great - we understand why you support it. Just know your benefits came from somewhere. It didn't exist out of thin air, its because your win became other people's losses. And there are more losers than winners, and a lot of people are starting to think the government shouldnt pick winners and losers, and needs to become smaller not bigger. this law will eventually get repealed, enjoy it while it lasts.

The big gauge of how the public really feels about Obamacare will likely come in the election later this year. You know every republican will be running on a platform of repealing Obamacare. If people really want it repealed they should pick up seats in the house and take back the senate.

It will be interesting to see how it turns out.

I can only imagine how social security was when it was first passed.

"What you are going to take my money so I can't touch it until I'm 60??? This is terrible!"

You think it is bad now losing or changing, wait till all the waivers run out!

So... Ron Paul isn't, nor has he ever been.. part of the Tea Party. Not sure where the person that made the video got that.

And since Obamacare isn't free..... and doesn't lower the cost for hardly anyone.. how would it of helped your pal exactly? The 5k deductibles would of helped? lol

That is a pretty naive statement; you should watch more C-SPAN if you think congressional debates are made of anything substantial.

Pot / kettle :2 cents:

Have you used your new policy yet?

The Hospital doesn't really lose much if anything. It never really cost that $240k. Anything they claim to of lost gets written up as a tax deduction hence the reason hospitals always claim to be losing money. Hospitals are a business and most are not "non-profit" yet in most places they stay in business year after year..

Claiming the loss on the extremely padded bill is all part of the game.

But you keep acting like a bill "suddenly appeared" and they voted on it the same day and there was no discussion about it. That's not how it happened at all. It was debate for two years; They had entire committees so they could work out what they could agree on before it became a bill.

They knew exactly what was in it before it became a bill.

You are going to call me childish names and then mock a block that pays my mortgage?

Congrats. You just made my ignore list.

Reverse Scare tactics? Hmm... So if republican scare tactics are bad, and democratic reverse scare tactics are bad, then who is good? Who should be trusted?


Okay, then same question... if you can't trust the republicans and you can't trust the democrats, then who can you trust? Who do you personally trust? If that person was running for office and you had to vote for that person today, who would they be?



Now now, let's all be a' friendly-like... Vendzilla and I have had our differences and I'd like to get to know how he really thinks, have a beer with the man, derp-a-derp...


Maybe it went up for you, but isn't it better now?