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OldJeff 04-02-2014 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggy (Post 20035409)
"If you like it you can keep it" - unfortunately that was not true. A lot of people's old plans became illegal under obamacare and couldn't be offered. A lot of uncertainty in the market place was created, in an individual level and on the corporate level:

The 7 million new sign ups isn't indicative that 7 million more people are insured, hardly. I'm one of those people who lost their insurance and has to re-sign up. Everyone I know who was self insured in California, was dropped by their company.

It's a huge number of people who had their plans dropped and then had to re-sign up, likely for more expensive plans. I'm sure on the big business level there are losers as well. As in for some companies obama are forced companies to lay people off, move them from full time to part time, lower other benefits like retirement matching to pay for the added costs of obamacare, etc etc etc.

Right there with you, My plan was eliminated, and had to get a new plan, costs me a grand a month for my wife and I.

Among the really fucking stupid is because it is required by law, I had to choose a pediatric dental plan, for which I was enrolled with no one eligible, got a bill for $0.00, was sent a card with the info, and the full coverage booklet.

Biggy 04-02-2014 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20035428)
Typical Liberal Douchebaggery

1) no one knows what "enrolled" means because they absolutely refuse to clarify or provide information and claimed multiple times they don't know. So it could just mean "a guy created an account" and isn't covered at all. In fact, they are asked about this continually and say they don't even know.

2) the vast majority are those who had insurance plans, were happy with their insurance plans and had them cancelled by Obama in the first place.

3) they won't say how many are medicaid - which the majority are.

4) they won't say how many are young vs old... which is super critical being that the entire retarded premise of the law is that enough young people that don't want health insurance to begin with have to sign up to cover the old people with existing problems which are an instant drain on the system.

5) the CBO has already said it will cost over 2,000,000 jobs in the near term

6) the CBO has already said that more people will be without insurance as a result.

7) employers are cutting jobs and scaling back hours and hiring less in what is the worst economic recovery ever.

8) people lost their doctors and lost their insurance which Obama said would never happen.

9) People on the whole, have fewer options and in most cases costs went up. Yay!

10) Over 1/2 of the population of this nation do not like it and do not want it. Wonderful.

the list of whats wrong with this stupidity is so endless that its pointless to even discuss.

.... but why let an endless list of facts get in the way of an ill conceived Utopian dream.

The Affordable Care Act, a k a ObamaCare, became law almost four years ago. It became operational last Oct. 1. Yesterday, Feb. 4, 2014, the ACA may well have been dealt its death blow.

The Congressional Budget Office released a major study of the government’s budget and its effect on the overall economy over the next 10 years. In dull bureaucratic language, it delivers a devastating analysis of the inefficiencies, ineffectualities and problematic social costs of ObamaCare.

The one-two punch: Virtually as many Americans will lack health coverage in 10 years as before the law was passed — but 2 million fewer will be working than if the law hadn’t passed.

One killer detail comes on Page 111, where the report projects: “As a result of the ACA, between 6 million and 7 million fewer people will have employment-based insurance coverage each year from 2016 through 2024 than would be the case in the absence of the ACA.”

ObamaCare’s key selling point was that it would give coverage to a significant number of the 30-plus million Americans who lack it. Now the CBO is telling the American people that a decade from now, 6 million-plus of their countrymen won’t get health care through their employers who otherwise would have.

Even more damaging is this projection: “About 31 million nonelderly residents of the United States are likely to be without health insurance in 2024, roughly one out of every nine such residents.”

Why? Because, in selling the bill to the American people in a nationally televised September 2009 address, President Obama said the need for ObamaCare was urgent precisely because “there are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage.”

Now the CBO is saying that in 10 years about the same number of people will lack insurance as before. This, after new expenditures of as much as $2 trillion and a colossal disruption of the US medical system.

If that’s not startling enough, there’s also the telling projection about ObamaCare’s affect on employment — “a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024.”

Overall employment will rise, the report says, but not steady, secure, long-term assured employment. The possibility of securing government-provided healthcare without employment will give people a new incentive to avoid it. “The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply,” the report says.

Indeed, overall, between 2017 and 2024, the actual amount of work done in this country will decline by as much as 2 percent.

How come? Because of perverse incentives ObamaCare provides in the form of subsidies to some and higher taxes to others.

First, the report says Americans will “choose to supply less labor — given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive.”

Here’s why: Poor people get certain subsidies, which disappear once a worker achieves a certain level of compensation. So it may be better to work less, or not work at all, rather than reach that higher pay level, because the pay increase won’t offset the loss of the subsidy.
This is the classic problem of a government handout: It can become more alluring to those who receive it than the prospect of a life lived without it.

As the report says, “If those subsidies are phased out with rising income in order to limit their total costs, the phaseout effectively raises people’s marginal tax rates [the tax rates applying to their last dollar of income], thus discouraging work.”

There’s a problem on the other end as well — among those whose tax dollars pay for the whole shebang: “If the subsidies are financed at least in part by higher taxes, those taxes will further discourage work or create other economic distortions, depending on how the taxes are designed.”

The White House hastened to do damage control yesterday, and the “senior official” who did the background briefing for reporters said a shocking thing: The projected decline in work is good news.

“It reflects the fact that workers have a new set of options and are making the best choices that they can choose to make for themselves given those options,” the official said.

Really? Really? You know, if that’s the best they can do, certain American workers — those elected to Congress and their staffs — might find themselves forced to make new choices regarding their employment come this November and November 2016.

For the past year, Obama and his supporters have taken to demanding that ObamaCare’s opponents quit trying to undo it because it’s now the law of the land.

Not so fast: With this and the other blows it has been dealt over the past six months, and undoubtedly with new blows to come, ObamaCare really and truly may no longer be the law of the land after the president leaves office.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...-a-success.htm

According to this article, at least 1/3 of people of the 7 million are people who re-signed up. Just because people are enrolled doesnt mean they paid for it, which also lowers the #. The employer mandate hasnt hit yet, so theres more blows to come to the system, and premiums may go up even higher than they already have if enough young people haven't signed up.

Pretty sure Obamacare will be repealed in 3 years. A democrat may even repeal it if they want to get elected next time around.

TheSquealer 04-02-2014 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggy (Post 20035440)

Exactly, the outright stupidity is tiresome with this.

The Obama administration has now spent enough money to give every single citizen over $2,000,000.00 directly on a dream that causes more problems than it solves.
A Big ObamaCare Success? Not So Fast

Health Care: The administration is crowing that 7 million people filled out applications for ObamaCare plans ? the original enrollment target that once seemed impossible to hit. Don't pop the champagne bottles just yet.

Given the news about surging enrollment and rising poll numbers, maybe Nancy Pelosi was right that Democrats will all benefit in the fall from ObamaCare. Except that once you strip out the hyperbole, little remains to celebrate.

? Seven million enrollees? That figure fails to discount those who haven't paid their premiums. Among the eight states releasing this number, about one in five "enrollees," on average, haven't paid. If that's true nationwide, then only 5.6 million actually will have enrolled in ObamaCare.

? Helping the uninsured? The CBO expected at least two-thirds of exchange enrollees to come from the ranks of the uninsured. But at best, only a third did so. That alone is a major failure. And nobody knows how many of these will pay their premiums.

? Support is surging? Hardly. The ABC News/Washington Post poll that ObamaCare backers are touting simply shows Democrats rallying behind the law. Republicans and Independents are more opposed than they were in January.

The latest IBD/TIPP poll shows that 51% oppose the law, and just 40% approve of it. More than half of independents want it repealed.

Meanwhile, other major ObamaCare problems still lie ahead.

Millions of enrollees are discovering they have insurance in name only, since they can't access their doctors or hospitals without paying a fortune. That will continue to undermine support for the law.

Then there are the millions who lost affordable health plans they liked, despite the endless promises from Obama and other Democrats. That's a betrayal they're not likely to forget.

The insurance industry is also warning that Obama-Care premiums could double next year in several markets, thanks to the combination of mandates, regulations and not enough young people signing up.

Businesses, meanwhile, still haven't confronted the full costs of ObamaCare, thanks to Obama's unilateral ? and likely illegal ? delays of the employer mandate. They will, soon enough.

AmeliaG 04-02-2014 06:47 AM

I lost the primary care doctor who has taken care of my family for over a decade because of this bailout for the already wealthy insurance companies.

Does anyone actually even understand what "open enrollment" means? If this is supposed to be insurance for everyone, why would enrollment ever not be open?

Wizzo 04-02-2014 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggy (Post 20035440)
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...-a-success.htm

According to this article, at least 1/3 of people of the 7 million are people who re-signed up. Just because people are enrolled doesnt mean they paid for it, which also lowers the #. The employer mandate hasnt hit yet, so theres more blows to come to the system, and premiums may go up even higher than they already have if enough young people haven't signed up.

Pretty sure Obamacare will be repealed in 3 years. A democrat may even repeal it if they want to get elected next time around.

I'm willing to bet its even more then 1/3rd, I know my family and I are in that boat along with many others I know.

myjah 04-02-2014 07:50 AM

Making medical care available to those who would normally be denied is fantastic.

Creating a program that drove UP the cost of my privately purchased healthcare and then offering me a plan within that program with an astronomical premium with no subsidies (as usual, I qualify for zero assistance) isn't exactly a wonderful thing.

L-Pink 04-02-2014 07:55 AM

Typical government solution … a small percentage aren't covered for one reason or another. Instead of focusing on that groups needs/problems the entire country has to change.

BlackCrayon 04-02-2014 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20035144)
Have you used your new coverage yet? And who is to blame that you had nothing wrong with you but you went to the ER anyway? That is why rates are so high.

Dr. Baddog, diagnosing himself since 1967!

Spudstr 04-02-2014 08:15 AM

7.1million new people getting insurance, and i'm sure my insurance will go up next year. Not down.

baddog 04-02-2014 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy (Post 20035154)
I had abdominal pain for a week that was getting worse and needed to get it checked, Mr know it all. :321GFY

Constipation? You seem to forget, nothing was wrong.

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I also have a friend who got pneumonia and had to sleep at the hospital for 2 days. $15,000 bill for a 2 day overnight stay.
Hearsay and hospitals typically charge more than hotels.

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Originally Posted by KillerK (Post 20035426)
For those that get Obama care, be careful because a lot of the plans they give you nobody accepts.
.

This

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 20035543)
Dr. Baddog, diagnosing himself since 1967!

More like since 1980

michael.kickass 04-02-2014 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Spudstr (Post 20035552)
7.1million new people getting insurance, and i'm sure my insurance will go up next year. Not down.

You can count on that.:disgust

Barry-xlovecam 04-02-2014 10:13 AM



Let me tell you a real story.

Last year, someone I know, who was uninsured, was loading his mud-bogging 4x4 monster Jeep onto a trailer with a hoist -- the vehicle was disabled and it was too wide for the trailer. He had the trailer mickey moused to hold the Jeep's width (stupid -- accident waiting to happen) -- the truck slipped off the trailer and he ended up with broken ribs and a punctured lung.

He didn't go to the hospital right away -- the lung got infected. No insurance, yadda yadda, waited until he was nearly dead, had to be talked into consenting for the surgery by a friend in the end. After 10 days in the hospital, the bill was near $245,000.00

He will bankrupt, lose his house, and in the end: The Federal government will reimburse the hospital maybe $35K of the bill. He doesn't have much now and he will have nothing but his future life to live.

For a lot of people that is CapitalistCare in America.

clickhappy 04-02-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20035566)
Constipation? You seem to forget, nothing was wrong.

Benign cyst in my testicle. But thanks for playing

Sly 04-02-2014 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20035699)


Let me tell you a real story.

Last year, someone I know, who was uninsured, was loading his mud-bogging 4x4 monster Jeep onto a trailer with a hoist -- the vehicle was disabled and it was too wide for the trailer. He had the trailer mickey moused to hold the Jeep's width (stupid -- accident waiting to happen) -- the truck slipped off the trailer and he ended up with broken ribs and a punctured lung.

He didn't go to the hospital right away -- the lung got infected. No insurance, yadda yadda, waited until he was nearly dead, had to be talked into consenting for the surgery by a friend in the end. After 10 days in the hospital, the bill was near $245,000.00

He will bankrupt, lose his house, and in the end: The Federal government will reimburse the hospital maybe $35K of the bill. He doesn't have much now and he will have nothing but his future life to live.

For a lot of people that is CapitalistCare in America.

That of course is a tragic story and there are thousands like them. Thousands of tragic stories though do not trump what will happen to the millions of people that will be impacted negatively by the new laws.

Instead of punishing millions to help out thousands, we need to find another way to help out those thousands and leave the millions alone.

Robbie 04-02-2014 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Due (Post 20035117)
I think this is a good start towards having absolute health coverage.
In the end it will make the country a safer place since many of the nut jobs and wackos will get the treatment they need to function instead of living in a dumpster or on the streets.
Good health and treatments will increase the life quality for yourself and everyone around you..

Due, I'm not sure that the govt. is planning on rounding up homeless bums and giving them "help" because of ObamaCare.

Matter of fact...there won't be ANY bums (the crazy types with long beards and signs by the road) signing up for Obamacare.

The problem this is facing right now is the fact that there are still going to be 40 million people uninsured.
There were two main objectives of "ObamaCare":
1. To get everyone insured
2. To bring prices DOWN by $2,500 per family

It's not doing either thing.

And has been pointed out...the govt. REFUSES to give the numbers of how many people that signed up did not already have insurance. And they won't give the numbers of how many people are paying for it (as opposed to free medicare obamacare). And they won't give the numbers on how many people are getting "subsidized" (meaning that their neighbors are paying for it).

My guess is that the whole thing is designed to fail to move us towards a "single pay" system.

Don't know if that's a good thing or not. I've been told differing things by my friends in Canada.

TheSquealer 04-02-2014 10:22 AM

@ Barry
A guy had a lot of cool, expensive toys and no health insurance. Then needed health insurance after his cool toys hurt him. That's not capitalism - that's the freedom to choose your priorities and btw.... Obamacare costs money just like any other insurance policy so your point is 100% moot... as it wasn't a priority for him regardless.

Rochard 04-02-2014 10:50 AM

Obamacacare is Romenycare on the federal level. Oddly enough Republicans never complained about Romneycare.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/aa/aa67...6ffc1e771a.jpg

atom 04-02-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20035715)
@ Barry
A guy had a lot of cool, expensive toys and no health insurance. Then needed health insurance after his cool toys hurt him. That's not capitalism - that's the freedom to choose your priorities and btw.... Obamacare costs money just like any other insurance policy so your point is 100% moot... as it wasn't a priority for him regardless.



That's exactly what I was thinking. If I didn't pay the hundreds of dollars a month on my family's health insurance (which went up 50% now) I could have some cool toys as well.

In fact, I might as well stop putting money away for retirement and my kids college fund while I'm at it. I could go lease a couple of new Benz's for me and the wife.

TheSquealer 04-02-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20035747)
Obamacacare is Romenycare on the federal level. Oddly enough Republicans never complained about Romneycare.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/aa/aa67...6ffc1e771a.jpg

Romney's plan was good on a state level and well planned and executed well. Obama's plan was passed with no one even reading the bill and executed with mind boggling incompetence and Romney himself said from the start that what they were doing was going to end Iin tears for all. And incidentally, Obama consulted those doing it well, exactly zero times.

"We need to pass this bill so we can see what's in it"
Nancy Pelosi

PornoMonster 04-02-2014 11:09 AM

7 million people Forced by Law to signup by a deadline that has been extended before this last one.

30-40 Million Not insured, but only 7 Million signed up, even though it is a LAW to sign up?

5+ Million lost insurance ... tha 7 million doesn't sound so good now does it.

Hundreds of Millions spent on website, radio and TV and other advertising convincing people it is a good idea to get insurance. Wait, we need advertising to convince people to signup when it is a LAW?

Millions of peoples insurance premiums, deductibles and co pays have went up.

I am going to bet half of those 7 million are on the Free or Subsidized Insurance.
Several of those above and others that Signed up will not pay, or will stop paying.
Many of the other half already had insurance (self employed or kicked off current plan)

We don't need Health COVERAGE, the people need health CARE.

bean-aid 04-02-2014 11:12 AM

Congrats to the winners. My health insurance seems to go up every 6 months. Last spike was like 12%.

Marcus 04-02-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20035747)
Obamacacare is Romenycare on the federal level. Oddly enough Republicans never complained about Romneycare.

This. Exactly. I'm from Boston and we feel that Romney came in, forced everyone to get insurance then left to pursue a presidential career. Democrats republicans high level politicians are the same. It's our fault for voting these people in.

MK Ultra 04-02-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20035452)
Does anyone actually even understand what "open enrollment" means? If this is supposed to be insurance for everyone, why would enrollment ever not be open?

It means if you weren't able to buy your coverage for whatever reason by March 31 then you pay the penalty AND YOU CANNOT BUY INSURANCE UNTIL Nov 2014. :thumbsup


And that's not just on the Exchanges, the Insurance companies can't sell you a policy between now and then.
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Coverage options outside Open Enrollment

Open Enrollment for 2014 coverage is over. But you may still have options to get health coverage, including:

Buying a private health plan through the Marketplace ? only if you qualify for a special enrollment period
Applying for Medicaid and the Children?s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) ? you can do this any time, all year

2 options: Apply with a special enrollment period or apply for Medicaid and CHIP

Special enrollment periods. Outside Open Enrollment you can enroll in a private health insurance plan through the Marketplace only if you have a special enrollment period.

To qualify for a special enrollment period, one of the following must apply to you:

You have a qualifying life event like getting married, having a baby, moving to a new area, or losing other health coverage.

You have a complex situation related to applying for coverage in the Health Insurance Marketplace. Learn more about these special circumstances.

This piece of shit law needs to die :2 cents:

baddog 04-02-2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy (Post 20035702)
Benign cyst in my testicle. But thanks for playing

That is treated with Tylenol?

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It was 7 hours in the ER, I got an ultra sound and NOTHING else. They told me to go home and take Tylenol.

Vendzilla 04-02-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20035119)
Serious questions (and this isn't a slam against 'publicans): Why do Republicans hate Obamacare? Why did they try 50?51? times to repeal it? Why did the Koch Brothers fund ads to scare people away from it?

Just being a curious Canadian is 'all...

Not just republicans, check the polls

AmeliaG 04-02-2014 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MK Ultra (Post 20035872)
It means if you weren't able to buy your coverage for whatever reason by March 31 then you pay the penalty AND YOU CANNOT BUY INSURANCE UNTIL Nov 2014. :thumbsup


And that's not just on the Exchanges, the Insurance companies can't sell you a policy between now and then.



This piece of shit law needs to die :2 cents:


Wow. Seriously?

Is there any possible positive perspective on not being permitted to buy insurance for half a year?

2MuchMark 04-02-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20035897)
Not just republicans, check the polls

Most democrats might criticize parts of Obamacare that they don't like or suggest changes, but republicans use ridiculous language. For example, Michelle Bachmann (my favourite kook) says it "Literally Kills Children, Kills Women, Kills Senior Citizens", etc.



Other Republicans through the "Death Panel" scare tactic around for a long time which of course turned out to be complete bull.



My question is, how can a republican expect to be taken seriously when they just one stupid, fucked up and dangerous thing after another?

Vendzilla 04-02-2014 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20035938)

My question is, how can a republican expect to be taken seriously when they just one stupid, fucked up and dangerous thing after another?

Answer, how can the democrats be taken seriously for passing it in the first place without reading it?

AmeliaG 04-02-2014 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20035938)
Most democrats might criticize parts of Obamacare that they don't like or suggest changes, but republicans use ridiculous language. For example, Michelle Bachmann (my favourite kook) says it "Literally Kills Children, Kills Women, Kills Senior Citizens", etc.

...

Other Republicans through the "Death Panel" scare tactic around for a long time which of course turned out to be complete bull.

...

My question is, how can a republican expect to be taken seriously when they just one stupid, fucked up and dangerous thing after another?



Human beings need help. Human beings need healthcare.

What is wrong with you that the most interesting thing to you about this basic human need not being 100% fulfilled in the USA is that some people say silly things that only an idiot would believe?

You seem to seriously think that making fun of the retarded is way more important and interesting than solving serious social problems.

arock10 04-02-2014 01:44 PM

These threads are great. It's always interesting the people against the law have a lousy experience yet somehow the people for it have a good experience.

I'm all for single payer but I'll take this for now

crockett 04-02-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 20034998)
http://i.imgur.com/DwM9hCj.jpg

First time I have had medical coverage since starting my own business 15 years ago (previously denied due to a pre-existing condition).

I'm happy (for now)... :)

:stoned

ADG

Same here. I had to take a job previously to get health care coverage. Now healthcare coverage is no longer tied to your employment, so you would think most webmasters would be thrilled. Then again as usual it's normally the same people whom bitch and moan about it.

Anyway I stopped off at a Dairy Queen a bit ago and Fox News was on. It appears this week's episode is "What about Bengazi" reruns.. Obamacare isn't covered this week..that way they can ignore any positive Obamacare reporting... LoL

kane 04-02-2014 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20035933)
Wow. Seriously?

Is there any possible positive perspective on not being permitted to buy insurance for half a year?

When asked about this Obama said that the insurance companies use the time between April and November (which is when then next open enrollment starts) to crunch numbers and decide if premium rates go up and down.

Open enrollment with health insurance has actually been around for a long time. There are always exceptions to the rule. For example, say you switched jobs and lost your insurance from the old job and the new job doesn't have insurance. You have 60 days from when you lose your insurance to enroll in an Obamacare approved plan. Also, if you are new to a job they will often be able to add you to their insurance without you having to wait. Another would be if a woman had a baby she can add the baby to her plan outside of the open enrollment period.

I have had a few jobs in the past where once a year they would send out notices that the insurance open enrollment was coming up so if you wanted to change your coverage that was the only time you could.

L-Pink 04-02-2014 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20036035)
Same here. I had to take a job previously to get health care coverage. Now healthcare coverage is no longer tied to your employment, so you would think most webmasters would be thrilled. Then again as usual it's normally the same people whom bitch and moan about it.

Anyway I stopped off at a Dairy Queen a bit ago and Fox News was on. It appears this week's episode is "What about Bengazi" reruns.. Obamacare isn't covered this week..that way they can ignore any positive Obamacare reporting... LoL

I think you'll find the people paying 100% of their insurance bill are disgruntled while those getting free or subsidized health care are happy.

Grapesoda 04-02-2014 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20034978)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101543801




I just can't help myself... here ya go, Fox News lovers


you know you're a moron right? not one of the 7.1 mil members is in the US congress because it's such shitty ins the US congress got themselves exempted :2 cents:

Rochard 04-02-2014 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20035759)
Romney's plan was good on a state level and well planned and executed well.

Sure. I would imagine putting Romneycare into place at the state level would be simple. Easy to do, no huge debates at the national level, and no one spending years and all of their efforts to defeat a bill that is already a law.

Simple.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20035759)
Obama's plan was passed with no one even reading the bill....

No one read the bill? Shame on them for not doing their jobs.

They debated it for a year; They dicked around on the language exact language for months. They wrote the fucking bill. They have staffs to read and understand the bill, and if not they have lobbiests to push them around.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20035759)
And incidentally, Obama consulted those doing it well, exactly zero times.

How could they have done that. The Republican party - and the people who put it together - wanted to kill this law at all costs. They still do to this very day.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20035759)
"We need to pass this bill so we can see what's in it"
Nancy Pelosi

That's a cute little sound bite.

Are you honestly telling me that Congress voted on the bill without knowing what was in it? If that is the case... They should all be arrested.

Grapesoda 04-02-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20036064)
I think you'll find the people paying 100% of their insurance bill are disgruntled while those getting free or subsidized health care are happy.

yes and you can see very clearly who is earning a living at GFY, and who is on welfare :2 cents:

CyberHustler 04-02-2014 02:22 PM

Only my nigga Jeb and his gang of Columbian Knights can unfuck this clusterfuck...

L-Pink 04-02-2014 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20036069)
you know you're a moron right? not one of the 7.1 mil members is in the US congress because it's such shitty ins the US congress got themselves exempted :2 cents:

Good point.

Hey **********, why aren't your Democrat homies using the insurance they are forcing others to use? Simple question. Please explain it to us.


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Rochard 04-02-2014 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20036056)
When asked about this Obama said that the insurance companies use the time between April and November (which is when then next open enrollment starts) to crunch numbers and decide if premium rates go up and down.

Open enrollment with health insurance has actually been around for a long time. There are always exceptions to the rule. For example, say you switched jobs and lost your insurance from the old job and the new job doesn't have insurance. You have 60 days from when you lose your insurance to enroll in an Obamacare approved plan. Also, if you are new to a job they will often be able to add you to their insurance without you having to wait. Another would be if a woman had a baby she can add the baby to her plan outside of the open enrollment period.

I have had a few jobs in the past where once a year they would send out notices that the insurance open enrollment was coming up so if you wanted to change your coverage that was the only time you could.

This is what people don't seem to understand - Every year people loose and or change their healthcare plans. Every fucking year.

Saying "people had their healthcare canceled" is incorrect and a huge over statement. They didn't loose their healthcare, but instead were forced to pick a different plan. This is because their plans failed to meet the basic federal requirements. They are trying to spin this as a bad thing when in fact it's a good thing - a very good thing. If your plan failed to meet the basic requirements of the federal law, you were paying for a plan that wasn't gong to help you much when you needed it most.

Rochard 04-02-2014 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner (Post 20035777)
Congrats to the winners. My health insurance seems to go up every 6 months. Last spike was like 12%.

LOL. Your healthcare costs have gone up every year for the past twenty years.

People make less money every year because the rising care of healthcare on a yearly basis is more than their raises.


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