President's Speech - GoFuckYourself.com

Ace-Ace · 03-06-2003, 09:33 PM

After watching, he affirmed my side of things completely. I really don't see how you could disagree with anything he said (perhaps a few small minor issues, but not the main ones, nor overall).

Juggernaut · 03-06-2003, 09:43 PM

Never believe what your government tells you. How can one man that has an obvious vocabular deficiency, put together the words that will apply to every single person watching that broadcast? simple, he can't. White liberals are the only reason why first world countries will have any social disorder. Speaking for myself, it is not ok for them to put economy above and over society. Social welfare is paramount.

CDSmith · 03-06-2003, 09:45 PM

"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women!"

Arnold for president 2008

cluck · 03-06-2003, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut
Never believe what your government tells you. How can one man that has an obvious vocabular deficiency, put together the words that will apply to every single person watching that broadcast? simple, he can't. White liberals are the only reason why first world countries will have any social disorder. Speaking for myself, it is not ok for them to put economy above and over society. Social welfare is paramount.

"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

Tala · 03-06-2003, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

1984 scares me.

Joe Sixpack · 03-06-2003, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by Tala

1984 scares me.

Eh? That's from Marx, not Orwell.

BigFish · 03-06-2003, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut
Never believe what your government tells you. How can one man that has an obvious vocabular deficiency, put together the words that will apply to every single person watching that broadcast? simple, he can't. White liberals are the only reason why first world countries will have any social disorder. Speaking for myself, it is not ok for them to put economy above and over society. Social welfare is paramount.

Economic health in a Country means Social health. Look around the world.

cluck · 03-06-2003, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by Tala

1984 scares me.

Socialism under authoritarian rule is a scary thing. That's why the Soviets failed. True socialism puts power in the hands of the working class. The law is based on what the workers consider best for themselves. If that means that companies won't be able to only give their workers 1% of the profits while keeping 99%, so be it. It's all about giving people what they truly deserve based on the work that they do. It can't work if the power is in the hands of the few, the power must be in the hands of everybody.

BigFish · 03-06-2003, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Socialism under authoritarian rule is a scary thing. That's why the Soviets failed. True socialism puts power in the hands of the working class. The law is based on what the workers consider best for themselves. If that means that companies won't be able to only give their workers 1% of the profits while keeping 99%, so be it. It's all about giving people what they truly deserve based on the work that they do. It can't work if the power is in the hands of the few, the power must be in the hands of everybody.

Corporations are owned by millions of shareholders dude.. hello?

Juggernaut · 03-06-2003, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish

Economic health in a Country means Social health. Look around the world.

Economic health is only acceptable when not at the expense of society. How many troops are in foreign soil as of tonight? not just the US, all together how many are fighting this war?

BigFish · 03-06-2003, 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut

Economic health is only acceptable when not at the expense of society. How many troops are in foreign soil as of tonight? not just the US, all together how many are fighting this war?

You talk as if there are no flaws in human nature. Look at history, how can there be no conflict? There is always conflict in societies. Do the benefits outweigh the costs? I would think so. The world's societies are better today than it was 70 years ago.

Juggernaut · 03-06-2003, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Socialism under authoritarian rule is a scary thing. That's why the Soviets failed. True socialism puts power in the hands of the working class. The law is based on what the workers consider best for themselves. If that means that companies won't be able to only give their workers 1% of the profits while keeping 99%, so be it. It's all about giving people what they truly deserve based on the work that they do. It can't work if the power is in the hands of the few, the power must be in the hands of everybody.

That sounds like the whole communist argument... Communism as mentioned before, on paper, it's a great thing. In real life, a greedy war monger takes control of the ranks and dismisses anyone different to his ideals, as if he alone has the right to determine a country's direction.

Joe Sixpack · 03-06-2003, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish

Corporations are owned by millions of shareholders dude.. hello?

Why not ask Enron sharholders what they think of that?

cluck · 03-06-2003, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish

Corporations are owned by millions of shareholders dude.. hello?

Perfect example. Shareholders give the company more money. Their money grows without them doing anything other than decide which company is good to invest in. The money is used to exploit workers in third world countries. If I make a pair of shoes that's worth $120 I should get a fair percentage of the profit. This, however is not the case. The company and the shareholders keep the wage down to gain personal wealth while fucking the workers who actually WORK. Basically the pigs who sit around and do nothing get more than the people who actually do the work required to get the product made.

The problem is that globally there is such a disgusting gap between the wealthy and the not wealthy. 20% of the people posess 80% of the money. Actually it's even more than that, but that's a nice round figure. As time goes by, the wealthy stop working and all their money is made through investing. So in essence, you've got 90% of the people working and 10% of the people getting the money. It just doesn't work.

cluck · 03-06-2003, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut

That sounds like the whole communist argument... Communism as mentioned before, on paper, it's a great thing. In real life, a greedy war monger takes control of the ranks and dismisses anyone different to his ideals, as if he alone has the right to determine a country's direction.

This is true. It happens with every type of government though. Power goes from the hands of the many to the hands of a few. The gap gets bigger and bigger and bigger until the whole thing just collapses. That's why I'm an anarchist. Anarchy just for lack of any form of government that will actually work. Still, we have to try our best to make do, so why not try and creat governments that will work for the greater good?

Gutterboy · 03-06-2003, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by Ace-Ace
I really don't see how you could disagree with anything he said

If that statement isn't a dead giveaway that you haven't thought things through very well, I don't know what is. And it would be true no matter what side of this particular issue you are on.

Carrie · 03-06-2003, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by cluck
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

TRANSLATION:
"From the hard-working people's pockets, to the pockets of those who find excuses not to work."

Fuck that shit.

CDSmith · 03-06-2003, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by cluck
The problem is that globally there is such a disgusting gap between the wealthy and the not wealthy. 20% of the people posess 80% of the money. Actually it's even more than that, but that's a nice round figure. As time goes by, the wealthy stop working and all their money is made through investing. So in essence, you've got 90% of the people working and 10% of the people getting the money. It just doesn't work.

So, just out of curiosity, how much money have <i>YOU</i> donated to help the poor and/or 3rd world countries?

DavePlays · 03-06-2003, 10:20 PM

There was one person that he knew was listening to his every word....

Saddam.

And every word he said was with that in mind.

i don't think that speech was as much for Americans as it was the rest of the world.

Joe Sixpack · 03-06-2003, 10:23 PM

Bush must be assassinated!

I'll throw in $50! Who's with me?!

cluck · 03-06-2003, 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
So, just out of curiosity, how much money have <i>YOU</i> donated to help the poor and/or 3rd world countries?

I'm only 19, I don't have much to give. I'm a student and all my money comes from online porn.

As my money grows though, you bet your ass I've thought about helping out these third world countries. Not through American charities though(they're all corrupt. There's no such thing as non profit over here, the owners and officers of these "charities" still wear gucci and fly first class). I'm actually going to go do something about it. Again the give a man a fish/teach him how to fish idea comes into play.

BigFrog · 03-06-2003, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
Bush must be assassinated!

I'll throw in $50! Who's with me?!

welcome to the world of criminal investigation

lol

i cant agree with you for the sake of my privacy. i dont like getting my phone tapped and my computer taken and all that shit...

but you dont live in america do you?

preach on brotha

cluck · 03-06-2003, 10:28 PM

Yeah man great job getting the feds to flock to GFY.

OK I'm not a republican but guys(to the federal pigs) I have NO PART in what this aussie's talking about.

Joe Sixpack · 03-06-2003, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by BigFrog

welcome to the world of criminal investigation
lol

i cant agree with you for the sake of my privacy. i dont like getting my phone tapped and my computer taken and all that shit...

but you dont live in america do you?

preach on brotha

Thats' it... It's a long way to Australia!

Come and get me suckers!

Frankly, right now, I'd rather see Bush dead than Saddam!

DavePlays · 03-06-2003, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

I'm only 19, I don't have much to give. I'm a student and all my money comes from online porn.

As my money grows though, you bet your ass I've thought about helping out these third world countries. Not through American charities though(they're all corrupt. There's no such thing as non profit over here, the owners and officers of these "charities" still wear gucci and fly first class). I'm actually going to go do something about it. Again the give a man a fish/teach him how to fish idea comes into play.

Yes.... being a 19 year old explains a lot of what you just said.

DavePlays · 03-06-2003, 10:35 PM

And the REALLY Stupid remark of the day award goes to...

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
Bush must be assassinated!

I'll throw in $50! Who's with me?!

What a stupid mother fucker.

I hope the Feds eat you for lunch - or maybe someday your kid will be a politican and some young punk will make an equally stupid fucked-up remark about him.....

- from all of us

Joe Sixpack · 03-06-2003, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by DavePlays

- from all of us

Who's all of you?

Your multiple personalities?

Bush is an evil warmonger who must die!

FlyingIguana · 03-06-2003, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Why not ask Enron sharholders what they think of that?

thats a situation of fraud, not your typical corporation.

Joe Sixpack · 03-06-2003, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

thats a situation of fraud, not your typical corporation.

You think Enron is an isolated incident?

BigFish · 03-06-2003, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

I'm only 19, I don't have much to give. I'm a student and all my money comes from online porn.

As my money grows though, you bet your ass I've thought about helping out these third world countries. Not through American charities though(they're all corrupt. There's no such thing as non profit over here, the owners and officers of these "charities" still wear gucci and fly first class). I'm actually going to go do something about it. Again the give a man a fish/teach him how to fish idea comes into play.

Hey, porn has its bad sides too. Imagine all the little kids that run into porn online. Do you think it somehow affects them negatively as they grow up? What about the women who have to sell their bodies merely feed their hungry families? Why are you promoting porn knowing that it comes with so many negatives. Would you be willing to divide your paycheck up 40% to you and 60% to needy people in Africa right now? Why wait until your money grows? Aren't you thinking like a corporation now where investment and profit maximization is key?

FlyingIguana · 03-06-2003, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Perfect example. Shareholders give the company more money. Their money grows without them doing anything other than decide which company is good to invest in. The money is used to exploit workers in third world countries. If I make a pair of shoes that's worth $120 I should get a fair percentage of the profit. This, however is not the case. The company and the shareholders keep the wage down to gain personal wealth while fucking the workers who actually WORK. Basically the pigs who sit around and do nothing get more than the people who actually do the work required to get the product made.

The problem is that globally there is such a disgusting gap between the wealthy and the not wealthy. 20% of the people posess 80% of the money. Actually it's even more than that, but that's a nice round figure. As time goes by, the wealthy stop working and all their money is made through investing. So in essence, you've got 90% of the people working and 10% of the people getting the money. It just doesn't work.

that investment money helps create jobs.

FlyingIguana · 03-06-2003, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

You think Enron is an isolated incident?

there isn't a lot of fraud like enron. a few companies here and there.

cluck · 03-06-2003, 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

that investment money helps create jobs.

To a certain extent. A tiny fraction will go to creat more $0.06 a day jobs in china. Another $0.06 job will yield dozens of new shoes a day, wich can generate hundreds in profit. The profit goes right back to the company. From there it's distributed between advertising, executives, and the same investors. That's less money being given out and more money being taken in. Note that the only people who profit from this little system are investors and executives. The people in the other countries will be dead from malnutrition soon but they're expendable, more a resource than anything.

LiveDose · 03-06-2003, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by DavePlays

Yes.... being a 19 year old explains a lot of what you just said.

very true. idealism is cute.

cluck · 03-06-2003, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish

Hey, porn has its bad sides too. Imagine all the little kids that run into porn online. Do you think it somehow affects them negatively as they grow up? What about the women who have to sell their bodies merely feed their hungry families? Why are you promoting porn knowing that it comes with so many negatives. Would you be willing to divide your paycheck up 40% to you and 60% to needy people in Africa right now? Why wait until your money grows? Aren't you thinking like a corporation now where investment and profit maximization is key?

Because charities are corrupt. And, I'm for helping them learn to sustain themselves, not a handout. Money's better spent giving them medicine, fertilizer and water purification systems than just giving them food and keeping them dependant on donations their whole life.

DavePlays · 03-06-2003, 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Who's all of you?

Your multiple personalities?

Bush is an evil warmonger who must die!

Yeah - and everyone of them thinks your a fucking little punk with a computer and a big stupid mouth.

So fucking what? - wish me dead too mother fucker? like me or anyone else seriously gives a fuck what you think or say?

You'll grow up one of these days - unless your mouth gets your ass beat before then. - No big loss there.

Wish in one hand - Piss in the other... and see which gets full first.

BigFish · 03-06-2003, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Because charities are corrupt. And, I'm for helping them learn to sustain themselves, not a handout. Money's better spent giving them medicine, fertilizer and water purification systems than just giving them food and keeping them dependant on donations their whole life.

Quit avoiding the question. Finding a decent charity is not the question. You can send money somehow if you're really serious. Would you be willing to give up all of your profits and just take in enough money to eat, sleep, and go to school? I think not. Quit being a hypocrite and telling other people how to run their money when you in fact have the same mentality as theirs.

DavePlays · 03-06-2003, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

there isn't a lot of fraud like enron. a few companies here and there.

Careful - if you argue with joey boy there he might wish you dead - and you know how scary that is

FlyingIguana · 03-06-2003, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

To a certain extent. A tiny fraction will go to creat more $0.06 a day jobs in china. Another $0.06 job will yield dozens of new shoes a day, wich can generate hundreds in profit. The profit goes right back to the company. From there it's distributed between advertising, executives, and the same investors. That's less money being given out and more money being taken in. Note that the only people who profit from this little system are investors and executives. The people in the other countries will be dead from malnutrition soon but they're expendable, more a resource than anything.

at least they have a job. without that shoe factory they would have shit.

its risky to start a business. there's a huge failure rate for start ups, so in order to compensate for that risk you require a return on your investment.

FlyingIguana · 03-06-2003, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by DavePlays

Careful - if you argue with joey boy there he might wish you dead - and you know how scary that is

i'll unleash the kangaroo's on his ass

cluck · 03-06-2003, 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish

Quit avoiding the question. Finding a decent charity is not the question. You can send money somehow if you're really serious. Would you be willing to give up all of your profits and just take in enough money to eat, sleep, and go to school? I think not. Quit being a hypocrite and telling other people how to run their money when you in fact have the same mentality as theirs.

Human nature sucks, doesn't it? That's why we're all fucked.

bhutocracy · 03-06-2003, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

Because charities are corrupt. And, I'm for helping them learn to sustain themselves, not a handout. Money's better spent giving them medicine, fertilizer and water purification systems than just giving them food and keeping them dependant on donations their whole life.

they're not all that bad. Even though I'm an atheist and it goes against my grain, I sponsor a kid through World Vision, even with their christian focus.. it's not like it's just wheat, it's education and use of renewable food resources.. is it the most efficient possible use of my money? probably not.. is it better than nothing? yeah.

cluck · 03-06-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

they're not all that bad. Even though I'm an atheist and it goes against my grain, I sponsor a kid through World Vision, even with their christian focus.. it's not like it's just grain, it's education and use of renewable food resources.. is it the most efficient possible use of my money? probably not.. is it better than nothing? yeah.

Yeah that's great I'm not criticizing the people who send money that way. Not everybody can focus on charity 100% of the time and it's great to do what you can.

Ace-Ace · 03-06-2003, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by Gutterboy

If that statement isn't a dead giveaway that you haven't thought things through very well, I don't know what is. And it would be true no matter what side of this particular issue you are on.

I was posting as I was rushing out the door, didn't think it through completely. Obviously you can't agree on everything he said (not even I did, I commented the person I was watching it with a few times, "Uhhh, that's not a good idea" or something to that effect.

NetRodent · 03-06-2003, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by cluck
Basically the pigs who sit around and do nothing get more than the people who actually do the work required to get the product made.

This is pure foolishness. Have the two individuals you mention above switch places. The company will be out of business in 6 months. Labor is cheap, brains are not. The guy on the assembly line can be easily replaced, the people in charge not so easily. It is very hard to keep a company solvent, anyone who can do it DESERVES what he/she makes.

FlyingIguana · 03-06-2003, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by NetRodent

This is pure foolishness. Have the two individuals you mention above switch places. The company will be out of business in 6 months. Labor is cheap, brains are not. The guy on the assembly line can be easily replaced, the people in charge not so easily. It is very hard to keep a company solvent, anyone who can do it DESERVES what he/she makes.

exactly, supply and demand. there's plenty of stupid people who can clean toilets, but how many can manage a company that makes those toilets?

if you let the janitors run the company, your firm would go down the shitter.

djdez · 03-06-2003, 11:39 PM

The president's speach proved nothing more than he's said for the past few months. Honestly, I think it was pathetic. He kept a soft tone demeanor, which is not him - at all. If he were to go in and do what clinton did - do what was necessary and get out... rather then try to seed himself a popular vote victory in 2004...I would have been all for it.

In stead he's made himself look like a napoleon - wanting a full blown war. He needs to realize that anything to do with this war is not going to raise his popularity. Try concentrating on our economy. He's had a republican majority for two months and i don't him moving in the right direction.

Rocky · 03-06-2003, 11:49 PM

for those of you that missed the speech it went something like this....

weapons of mass destruction
14-41
12 years ago
*smirk*
weapons of mass destruction
14-41
12 years ago
*smirk*
weapons of mass destruction
14-41
12 years ago
*smirk*
weapons of mass destruction
14-41
12 years ago
*smirk*
weapons of mass destruction
14-41
12 years ago
*smirk*
weapons of mass destruction
14-41
12 years ago
*smirk*
weapons of mass destruction
14-41
12 years ago
*smirk*
weapons of mass destruction
14-41
12 years ago
*smirk*

jayeff · 03-07-2003, 12:11 AM

The odd thing that happens when a discussion on the (US) economy gets started is that everyone seems to assume they are among the "haves" and that their children and grandchildren will be similarly fortunate.

As a result, the export of jobs to 3rd-world countries is discussed only in terms of whether sweatshop labor is moral or not.

Fair enough, that is one of the issues, but when did we lose sight of the fact that the vast majority of people in the US are not executives, they are workers. When these jobs first started going abroad, they were supposed to be replaced with high-tech jobs, but that hasn't happened. The education system never caught up with this "plan" and now high-tech companies are exporting their jobs too: billions of dollars is going to India, China, etc.

The gap between rich and poor isn't only growing on a global scale: it is growing at home too. For 30-odd years more people have been moving down the US economic ladder than up it and that is something which should concern even those who don't believe that we are one world, one people.

Also, there has been a lot of comment in this thread about profits for investors, as if the word "investor" means US citizen. It doesn't, or at least only in part. Huge blocks of shares in "American" companies are owned by foreign nationals: especially Middle Eastern and Far Eastern investors. It doesn't stop there. Since the 60's the Japanese and Arabs in particular have been buying up prime real estate. Japanese corporations have long owned farms covering millions of acres in the US heartlands.

The bottom line is that we are exporting jobs to enrich shareholders, many of whom are foreign. Some of that benefit accrues to a relatively small number of US citizens, but a far greater number of US citizens are negatively affected. By definition, most people reading this thread will be among the losers: less than 5% of the population are REALLY wealthy.

And even if you are high enough up the economic ladder not to suffer directly, many of you depend (or will depend) on customers who are headed for harder times.

FlyingIguana · 03-07-2003, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by jayeff
The odd thing that happens when a discussion on the (US) economy gets started is that everyone seems to assume they are among the "haves" and that their children and grandchildren will be similarly fortunate.

As a result, the export of jobs to 3rd-world countries is discussed only in terms of whether sweatshop labor is moral or not.

Fair enough, that is one of the issues, but when did we lose sight of the fact that the vast majority of people in the US are not executives, they are workers. When these jobs first started going abroad, they were supposed to be replaced with high-tech jobs, but that hasn't happened. The education system never caught up with this "plan" and now high-tech companies are exporting their jobs too: billions of dollars is going to India, China, etc.

The gap between rich and poor isn't only growing on a global scale: it is growing at home too. For 30-odd years more people have been moving down the US economic ladder than up it and that is something which should concern even those who don't believe that we are one world, one people.

Also, there has been a lot of comment in this thread about profits for investors, as if the word "investor" means US citizen. It doesn't, or at least only in part. Huge blocks of shares in "American" companies are owned by foreign nationals: especially Middle Eastern and Far Eastern investors. It doesn't stop there. Since the 60's the Japanese and Arabs in particular have been buying up prime real estate. Japanese corporations have long owned farms covering millions of acres in the US heartlands.

The bottom line is that we are exporting jobs to enrich shareholders, many of whom are foreign. Some of that benefit accrues to a relatively small number of US citizens, but a far greater number of US citizens are negatively affected. By definition, most people reading this thread will be among the losers: less than 5% of the population are REALLY wealthy.

And even if you are high enough up the economic ladder not to suffer directly, many of you depend (or will depend) on customers who are headed for harder times.

the government needs to put policies in place to keep the high tech jobs here. the standard of living is pretty high in the states. has it declined over the past 2 decades? i highly doubt it has, if you think it has, post some data

03-06-2003, 09:33 PM	#1
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djdez Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 224	The president's speach proved nothing more than he's said for the past few months. Honestly, I think it was pathetic. He kept a soft tone demeanor, which is not him - at all. If he were to go in and do what clinton did - do what was necessary and get out... rather then try to seed himself a popular vote victory in 2004...I would have been all for it. In stead he's made himself look like a napoleon - wanting a full blown war. He needs to realize that anything to do with this war is not going to raise his popularity. Try concentrating on our economy. He's had a republican majority for two months and i don't him moving in the right direction. __________________ Email: [email protected] PrideBucks - Making Gay Pay since 2003 GayAdPros.com - Buy. Sell. Exclusively Gay Traffic ICQ: 69711443

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Juggernaut Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 753	Never believe what your government tells you. How can one man that has an obvious vocabular deficiency, put together the words that will apply to every single person watching that broadcast? simple, he can't. White liberals are the only reason why first world countries will have any social disorder. Speaking for myself, it is not ok for them to put economy above and over society. Social welfare is paramount.

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Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	for those of you that missed the speech it went something like this.... weapons of mass destruction 14-41 12 years ago smirk weapons of mass destruction 14-41 12 years ago smirk weapons of mass destruction 14-41 12 years ago smirk weapons of mass destruction 14-41 12 years ago smirk weapons of mass destruction 14-41 12 years ago smirk weapons of mass destruction 14-41 12 years ago smirk weapons of mass destruction 14-41 12 years ago smirk weapons of mass destruction 14-41 12 years ago smirk __________________ Are you down with Sin?

03-07-2003, 12:11 AM	#49
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	The odd thing that happens when a discussion on the (US) economy gets started is that everyone seems to assume they are among the "haves" and that their children and grandchildren will be similarly fortunate. As a result, the export of jobs to 3rd-world countries is discussed only in terms of whether sweatshop labor is moral or not. Fair enough, that is one of the issues, but when did we lose sight of the fact that the vast majority of people in the US are not executives, they are workers. When these jobs first started going abroad, they were supposed to be replaced with high-tech jobs, but that hasn't happened. The education system never caught up with this "plan" and now high-tech companies are exporting their jobs too: billions of dollars is going to India, China, etc. The gap between rich and poor isn't only growing on a global scale: it is growing at home too. For 30-odd years more people have been moving down the US economic ladder than up it and that is something which should concern even those who don't believe that we are one world, one people. Also, there has been a lot of comment in this thread about profits for investors, as if the word "investor" means US citizen. It doesn't, or at least only in part. Huge blocks of shares in "American" companies are owned by foreign nationals: especially Middle Eastern and Far Eastern investors. It doesn't stop there. Since the 60's the Japanese and Arabs in particular have been buying up prime real estate. Japanese corporations have long owned farms covering millions of acres in the US heartlands. The bottom line is that we are exporting jobs to enrich shareholders, many of whom are foreign. Some of that benefit accrues to a relatively small number of US citizens, but a far greater number of US citizens are negatively affected. By definition, most people reading this thread will be among the losers: less than 5% of the population are REALLY wealthy. And even if you are high enough up the economic ladder not to suffer directly, many of you depend (or will depend) on customers who are headed for harder times.