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  • Ace-Ace
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    • May 2002
    • 1863

    #1

    President's Speech

    After watching, he affirmed my side of things completely. I really don't see how you could disagree with anything he said (perhaps a few small minor issues, but not the main ones, nor overall).
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  • Juggernaut
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    • Jan 2003
    • 753

    #2
    Never believe what your government tells you. How can one man that has an obvious vocabular deficiency, put together the words that will apply to every single person watching that broadcast? simple, he can't. White liberals are the only reason why first world countries will have any social disorder. Speaking for myself, it is not ok for them to put economy above and over society. Social welfare is paramount.

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    • CDSmith
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      • May 2001
      • 51460

      #3
      "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women!"





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      • cluck
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        • Dec 2002
        • 5248

        #4
        Originally posted by Juggernaut
        Never believe what your government tells you. How can one man that has an obvious vocabular deficiency, put together the words that will apply to every single person watching that broadcast? simple, he can't. White liberals are the only reason why first world countries will have any social disorder. Speaking for myself, it is not ok for them to put economy above and over society. Social welfare is paramount.
        "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"
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        • Tala
          Fucked if I know
          • Dec 2002
          • 23368

          #5
          Originally posted by cluck


          "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"
          1984 scares me.

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          • Joe Sixpack
            So Fucking Banned
            • Jul 2002
            • 3793

            #6
            Originally posted by Tala


            1984 scares me.
            Eh? That's from Marx, not Orwell.

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            • BigFish
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              • Jan 2003
              • 1159

              #7
              Originally posted by Juggernaut
              Never believe what your government tells you. How can one man that has an obvious vocabular deficiency, put together the words that will apply to every single person watching that broadcast? simple, he can't. White liberals are the only reason why first world countries will have any social disorder. Speaking for myself, it is not ok for them to put economy above and over society. Social welfare is paramount.
              Economic health in a Country means Social health. Look around the world.

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              • cluck
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                • Dec 2002
                • 5248

                #8
                Originally posted by Tala


                1984 scares me.
                Socialism under authoritarian rule is a scary thing. That's why the Soviets failed. True socialism puts power in the hands of the working class. The law is based on what the workers consider best for themselves. If that means that companies won't be able to only give their workers 1% of the profits while keeping 99%, so be it. It's all about giving people what they truly deserve based on the work that they do. It can't work if the power is in the hands of the few, the power must be in the hands of everybody.
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                • BigFish
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                  • Jan 2003
                  • 1159

                  #9
                  Originally posted by cluck


                  Socialism under authoritarian rule is a scary thing. That's why the Soviets failed. True socialism puts power in the hands of the working class. The law is based on what the workers consider best for themselves. If that means that companies won't be able to only give their workers 1% of the profits while keeping 99%, so be it. It's all about giving people what they truly deserve based on the work that they do. It can't work if the power is in the hands of the few, the power must be in the hands of everybody.
                  Corporations are owned by millions of shareholders dude.. hello?

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                  • Juggernaut
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 753

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BigFish

                    Economic health in a Country means Social health. Look around the world.
                    Economic health is only acceptable when not at the expense of society. How many troops are in foreign soil as of tonight? not just the US, all together how many are fighting this war?

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                    • BigFish
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                      • Jan 2003
                      • 1159

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Juggernaut


                      Economic health is only acceptable when not at the expense of society. How many troops are in foreign soil as of tonight? not just the US, all together how many are fighting this war?
                      You talk as if there are no flaws in human nature. Look at history, how can there be no conflict? There is always conflict in societies. Do the benefits outweigh the costs? I would think so. The world's societies are better today than it was 70 years ago.

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                      • Juggernaut
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                        • Jan 2003
                        • 753

                        #12
                        Originally posted by cluck

                        Socialism under authoritarian rule is a scary thing. That's why the Soviets failed. True socialism puts power in the hands of the working class. The law is based on what the workers consider best for themselves. If that means that companies won't be able to only give their workers 1% of the profits while keeping 99%, so be it. It's all about giving people what they truly deserve based on the work that they do. It can't work if the power is in the hands of the few, the power must be in the hands of everybody.
                        That sounds like the whole communist argument... Communism as mentioned before, on paper, it's a great thing. In real life, a greedy war monger takes control of the ranks and dismisses anyone different to his ideals, as if he alone has the right to determine a country's direction.

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                        • Joe Sixpack
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 3793

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BigFish


                          Corporations are owned by millions of shareholders dude.. hello?
                          Why not ask Enron sharholders what they think of that?

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                          • cluck
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 5248

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BigFish


                            Corporations are owned by millions of shareholders dude.. hello?
                            Perfect example. Shareholders give the company more money. Their money grows without them doing anything other than decide which company is good to invest in. The money is used to exploit workers in third world countries. If I make a pair of shoes that's worth $120 I should get a fair percentage of the profit. This, however is not the case. The company and the shareholders keep the wage down to gain personal wealth while fucking the workers who actually WORK. Basically the pigs who sit around and do nothing get more than the people who actually do the work required to get the product made.

                            The problem is that globally there is such a disgusting gap between the wealthy and the not wealthy. 20% of the people posess 80% of the money. Actually it's even more than that, but that's a nice round figure. As time goes by, the wealthy stop working and all their money is made through investing. So in essence, you've got 90% of the people working and 10% of the people getting the money. It just doesn't work.
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                            • cluck
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                              • Dec 2002
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Juggernaut


                              That sounds like the whole communist argument... Communism as mentioned before, on paper, it's a great thing. In real life, a greedy war monger takes control of the ranks and dismisses anyone different to his ideals, as if he alone has the right to determine a country's direction.
                              This is true. It happens with every type of government though. Power goes from the hands of the many to the hands of a few. The gap gets bigger and bigger and bigger until the whole thing just collapses. That's why I'm an anarchist. Anarchy just for lack of any form of government that will actually work. Still, we have to try our best to make do, so why not try and creat governments that will work for the greater good?
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