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lucas131 · 03-13-2014, 09:26 AM

guys, it was new site, the traffic was highly targetted, so you want to tell me all the people waited 40 days to buy membership? come on ... i am pushing mostly new sites, that is my business, and if there is a sale stream, it never stop from day to day for 40 days ... never seen before ... sorry, but i still dont eat that everything is alright ...

lucas131 · 03-13-2014, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

According to your screenshots you're approximately at 7158 hits and 14 sales? (correct me if I'm wrong, I crunched the numbers quickly).

Thats a 1:511 ratio.

How is that bad?

With such low volumes of traffic, Variance comes widly into play. (Variance explained in poker terms)

I know its easy to think the program is cheating you, but honestly, I think this is just a case of your sample size being too small to come to any conclusions yet.

i see what you mean, but i am talking that first days it was 1:70, then it went over night to 1:4000 for 40 days ... this is not normal, not with new site ...

3xmedia · 03-13-2014, 10:01 AM

very strange

mineistaken · 03-13-2014, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn

1) The customer IP country does not match the Billing Address country (usually fraud but people travel and travelers masturbate)
2) The billing address is not correct, or not exactly correct. (people sometimes move and don't update)
3) CVV code is incorrect
4) Surfers country has a higher rate of fraud than I am comfortable with
5) Surfer already made x attempts to join that were unsuccessful for various reasons
6) Surfers address, email or IP is on a blacklist cause they are known to have charged back in the past
7) Surfer is using a card that is either prepaid or does not generally support rebilling

Well those are natural things, so you were suggesting that they might have turned them off in the begging to make affiliates happy, that was strange suggestion because I really doubt any program would deliberately allow fraudulent subscriptions in order to please affiliates with unearned money

mineistaken · 03-13-2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

According to your screenshots you're approximately at 7158 hits and 14 sales? (correct me if I'm wrong, I crunched the numbers quickly).

Thats a 1:511 ratio.

How is that bad?

With such low volumes of traffic, Variance comes widly into play. (Variance explained in poker terms)

I know its easy to think the program is cheating you, but honestly, I think this is just a case of your sample size being too small to come to any conclusions yet.

Main point of OP is that coincidentally his two sale bursts were at the beginning and then after he complained. Combine variance and this and you get very small odds that this was coincidence. That is why he is suspicious, naturally.
Again - I am not suggesting that they are cheating, merely saying that odds are very slim for combination of this variance AND timing (at the beginning + after complaining).

Ratio all in all is very good, so it might be not shaving, but on the contrary - gifting sales to please affiliate.

iSpyCams · 03-13-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Well those are natural things, so you were suggesting that they might have turned them off in the begging to make affiliates happy, that was strange suggestion because I really doubt any program would deliberately allow fraudulent subscriptions in order to please affiliates with unearned money

I am not talking about deliberately allowing fraudulent transactions, I am talking about varying levels of scrutiny. If you had spent the last 5 years poring over transaction details as I have you would know that any anti fraud measures also trip up honest customers who just happen to mess something up. There is an inverse relationship between volume and quality that can be hard to manage.

Pretty much any fraud filter is going to raise false flags. If volume is low and quality is decent, you want to make the checkout process as hassle free as possible. As volume increases, so do your risk factors and security measures have to be put in place, even though these will undoubtedly inconvenience and possibly discourage honest customers: at that point it's worth it to lose a few good ones in order to keep the bad ones out.

It's all very subjective and its easy to go too far in either direction. Too loose and you are a playground for carders. Too tight and you are useless to everyone.

The Porn Nerd · 03-13-2014, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn

I am not talking about deliberately allowing fraudulent transactions, I am talking about varying levels of scrutiny. If you had spent the last 5 years poring over transaction details as I have you would know that any anti fraud measures also trip up honest customers who just happen to mess something up. There is an inverse relationship between volume and quality that can be hard to manage.

Pretty much any fraud filter is going to raise false flags. If volume is low and quality is decent, you want to make the checkout process as hassle free as possible. As volume increases, so do your risk factors and security measures have to be put in place, even though these will undoubtedly inconvenience and possibly discourage honest customers: at that point it's worth it to lose a few good ones in order to keep the bad ones out.

It's all very subjective and its easy to go too far in either direction. Too loose and you are a playground for carders. Too tight and you are useless to everyone.

The Force is strong in this one.
Balance Jedi, Balance.

NoWhErE · 03-13-2014, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Main point of OP is that coincidentally his two sale bursts were at the beginning and then after he complained. Combine variance and this and you get very small odds that this was coincidence. That is why he is suspicious, naturally.
Again - I am not suggesting that they are cheating, merely saying that odds are very slim for combination of this variance AND timing (at the beginning + after complaining).

Ratio all in all is very good, so it might be not shaving, but on the contrary - gifting sales to please affiliate.

I'll admit its a coincidence and somewhat unlikely - but not entirely unheard of.

His volume is so low and when you look at it at a daily basis, yes it seems odd.

However, when you step back and look at the whole picture, his stats seem quite normal at 1:500.

Its like when you go to a roulette table and BLACK comes up like 15 times in a row. It seems odd and the table looks rigged, however, when you look at the spinning pattern over a larger period of time (lets say a full day), then the odds usually come back to approx 50/50.

I think the sales suddenly coming back when he complained is probably a total fluke.

Also, there are other factors that could possibly come into play such as:

He was ranking for a high converting keyword, dropped for that keyword, but then ranked for another non-converting keyword. Thus getting the same traffic but less conversions.

The site could have just come out on the tubes and the scenes people were looking for were TeenCat's latest updates, so when they landed on his site, they saw the scenes were there and followed through with the purchase. Then as time went on, new updates were put up and suddenly the surfers weren't seeing those specific scenes that would have made them signup.

Could be a few other things, I'm just throwing situations I've seen before out in the wind. I have no clue how he promotes his stuff, so I could be completely wrong.... BUT, I still say his volume is too low to jump to any conclusions.

iSpyCams · 03-14-2014, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

I'll admit its a coincidence and somewhat unlikely - but not entirely unheard of.

His volume is so low and when you look at it at a daily basis, yes it seems odd.

However, when you step back and look at the whole picture, his stats seem quite normal at 1:500.

Its like when you go to a roulette table and BLACK comes up like 15 times in a row. It seems odd and the table looks rigged, however, when you look at the spinning pattern over a larger period of time (lets say a full day), then the odds usually come back to approx 50/50.

I think the sales suddenly coming back when he complained is probably a total fluke.

Also, there are other factors that could possibly come into play such as:

He was ranking for a high converting keyword, dropped for that keyword, but then ranked for another non-converting keyword. Thus getting the same traffic but less conversions.

The site could have just come out on the tubes and the scenes people were looking for were TeenCat's latest updates, so when they landed on his site, they saw the scenes were there and followed through with the purchase. Then as time went on, new updates were put up and suddenly the surfers weren't seeing those specific scenes that would have made them signup.

Could be a few other things, I'm just throwing situations I've seen before out in the wind. I have no clue how he promotes his stuff, so I could be completely wrong.... BUT, I still say his volume is too low to jump to any conclusions.

Yes whenever analyzing data, the more data the better. The smaller the sample size, the more likely everything is just coincidence.

However: with the exception of the first few sales, that happened towards the end of January, it seems we are seeing more joins around the beginning of each month. I generally notice an increase in credit card approvals around the beginning of each month, I imagine a lot of people get paid monthly or maybe they pay their monthly bills and then they know how much disposable income the have left for luxury items, I don't know but more sales and better conversion/rebills in the first week of each month is normal for me.

Jel · 03-14-2014, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Also, there are other factors that could possibly come into play such as:

He was ranking for a high converting keyword, dropped for that keyword, but then ranked for another non-converting keyword. Thus getting the same traffic but less conversions.

The site could have just come out on the tubes and the scenes people were looking for were TeenCat's latest updates, so when they landed on his site, they saw the scenes were there and followed through with the purchase. Then as time went on, new updates were put up and suddenly the surfers weren't seeing those specific scenes that would have made them signup.

Could be a few other things, I'm just throwing situations I've seen before out in the wind. I have no clue how he promotes his stuff, so I could be completely wrong.... BUT, I still say his volume is too low to jump to any conclusions.

saved me a bunch of typing

WebmastersLegion · 04-02-2014, 07:06 PM

wich are the ratio of reallyusefulcash sites? i send 350 uniques from Search Engine using targetered kws and get no sales, i know that its low uniques, but want to know if someone know some of the ratio of the sites of ReallyUsefulCAsh.

WebmastersLegion · 04-05-2014, 01:20 PM

still no sales, cant beliave that ratio are so worst this days...

Total 1,090 430 464 58 0 $0.00 0 0:430 0 $0.00 0 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00

Colmike9 · 04-05-2014, 01:25 PM

Looks fine to me. I haven't touched this in a couple of months, either...

signupdamnit · 04-05-2014, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

Looks fine to me. I haven't touched this in a couple of months, either...

But you're an employee or ex-employee of RUC so you should disclose that. What you see isn't necessarily going to be what others see.

signupdamnit · 04-05-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WebmastersLegion

still no sales, cant beliave that ratio are so worst this days...

Total 1,090 430 464 58 0 $0.00 0 0:430 0 $0.00 0 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00

That's not a lot of traffic. These days it's not uncommon for paysites to convert 1:3000. Even search engine traffic can be shitty.

WebmastersLegion · 04-05-2014, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

That's not a lot of traffic. These days it's not uncommon for paysites to convert 1:3000. Even search engine traffic can be shitty.

wow, 1:3000 sux then, i remember when get sales with less than 100 uniques :/

Biggy · 04-05-2014, 06:11 PM

If I had to take a guess, he was adding sales to your account to get you to promote the site hard / enthusiastic about a new site. That way you would see better than real results so you'd push the site harder / keep you happy.

Then he stopped doing it and then he started doing it again when you complained if he knows who you are / what your account is.

This is one plausible situation. The reality is no one will be able to truly know.

Colmike9 · 04-05-2014, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

But you're an employee or ex-employee of RUC so you should disclose that. What you see isn't necessarily going to be what others see.

True, but I had no advantage at all. They gave me a handful of domains and we pretty much didn't talk about anything else, at least for what I did using Ruseful Cash content..

Plus.. I don't want to sound like a dick, but I don't think there's anyone there right now that even knows how to shave or scrub..
They really are trying to run a legit business, at least from what I've seen, and wouldn't pull shady shit especially since the majority of the money that they make is from other sources/tubes..

bean-aid · 04-05-2014, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

True, but I had no advantage at all. They gave me a handful of domains and we pretty much didn't talk about anything else, at least for what I did using Ruseful Cash content..

Plus.. I don't want to sound like a dick, but I don't think there's anyone there right now that even knows how to shave or scrub..
They really are trying to run a legit business, at least from what I've seen, and wouldn't pull shady shit especially since the majority of the money that they make is from other sources/tubes..

Doesnt make sense to create a shave system when that is so little of sales.

Doesnt make sense to have sales then just go dry either. I have a site that gets around 400 uniques and for 4 years now, like clockwork, gets approximately the same number of joins per week. Even with others replicating the site and offering it for free.

I dont know...

signupdamnit · 04-05-2014, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

True, but I had no advantage at all. They gave me a handful of domains and we pretty much didn't talk about anything else, at least for what I did using Ruseful Cash content..

Plus.. I don't want to sound like a dick, but I don't think there's anyone there right now that even knows how to shave or scrub..
They really are trying to run a legit business, at least from what I've seen, and wouldn't pull shady shit especially since the majority of the money that they make is from other sources/tubes..

I got bad vibes from them but I have to admit the stats I have seen from nearly everyone else have been much better than what I typically see with pay sites these days.

Klen · 04-06-2014, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

True, but I had no advantage at all. They gave me a handful of domains and we pretty much didn't talk about anything else, at least for what I did using Ruseful Cash content..

Plus.. I don't want to sound like a dick, but I don't think there's anyone there right now that even knows how to shave or scrub..
They really are trying to run a legit business, at least from what I've seen, and wouldn't pull shady shit especially since the majority of the money that they make is from other sources/tubes..

I dont run paysite nor affiliate program but i do know dozen of ways to shave.

Colmike9 · 04-06-2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I got bad vibes from them but I have to admit the stats I have seen from nearly everyone else have been much better than what I typically see with pay sites these days.

I think people are promoting Fake Hospital wrong.. I mean, people that are really into the doctor fucking his patient fetish aren't really going to be into the whole HD production of it...

Stick with Lesbea, Dane Jones, Fake Agent and Public Agent.

The Porn Nerd · 04-06-2014, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

I think people are promoting Fake Hospital wrong.. I mean, people that are really into the doctor fucking his patient fetish aren't really going to be into the whole HD production of it...

Stick with Lesbea, Dane Jones, Fake Agent and Public Agent.

They're running out of (profitable) ideas.
The other side of the mountain is near and I don't think they realize it. Yet.

Colmike9 · 04-06-2014, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

They're running out of (profitable) ideas.
The other side of the mountain is near and I don't think they realize it. Yet.

Should have just stayed quiet and not told everyone publicly exactly what he does for a few reasons....

All of the paysites have made their investment back, at least..

Ladyboy Inc. · 04-06-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

They're running out of (profitable) ideas.
The other side of the mountain is near and I don't think they realize it. Yet.

Plenty of profitable ideas left.

WebmastersLegion · 04-17-2014, 07:04 PM

well stats still sux

Total 2,271 923 987 341 0
$0.00 0 0:923 0
$0.00 0 0
$0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00

NewNick · 04-18-2014, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

No drama.

Just two bit third world fools rub me up the wrong way.

I would close your sad act account if I was JT.

Well it looks like you got what you wanted.

I should get into the psychic business. It seems i have a gift.

OldJeff · 04-18-2014, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

How does that fraud scrub work? I assume this would be the case of fraudulent affiliates and sales in their accounts. It should not affect honest webmasters because they would not deliver fraudulent sales. Unless you are saying that people in general ten to fraud paysites for memberships, but I doubt that since there would be better ways to utilize fraudulent credit cards than buying porn (which is free).
So not sure why would you "fraud scrub" honest affiliates?

And you are allowed to have a paysite, even sign up affiliates

WebmastersLegion · 05-01-2014, 03:07 PM

Still no sales in Reallyuseful Cash! How is taht possible?!?!?

Total 4,148 1,946 1,457 369 0
$0.00 0 0:1946 0
$0.00 0 0
$0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00

Jel · 05-01-2014, 03:16 PM

in the biz since 2002 and asking 'how its possible' to have 0:1946 in 2014? Are you drunk?

Relentless · 05-01-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

What you see isn't necessarily going to be what others see.

1 Write That On Your Forehead

2 Look In The Mirror

3 Profit

WebmastersLegion · 05-01-2014, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel

in the biz since 2002 and asking 'how its possible' to have 0:1946 in 2014? Are you drunk?

well i have better ratio in other sponsors ! :/

All are SE traffic. Not possible to have 0:2000! that sux

lucas131 · 05-01-2014, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WebmastersLegion

well i have better ratio in other sponsors ! :/

All are SE traffic. Not possible to have 0:2000! that sux

man, you are right, with their content and their promotion, it really sucks to have ratios x times worse than with other new programs ... and i mean somewhere xx times worse ... strange, sucks, but all good at ruc side they say, so time to move somewhere else

Relentless · 05-02-2014, 05:19 AM

$/click .... it's all that matters. Doesn't matter why it is high or low, and doesn't matter what someone else gets as $/click. What matters is YOUR $/click. It is that simple ;)

lucas131 · 05-02-2014, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

$/click .... it's all that matters. Doesn't matter why it is high or low, and doesn't matter what someone else gets as $/click. What matters is YOUR $/click. It is that simple ;)

oh great thanks, i have almost forgot ... have a nice weekend everyone!

Kafka · 05-02-2014, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WebmastersLegion

well i have better ratio in other sponsors ! :/

All are SE traffic. Not possible to have 0:2000! that sux

Join yourself, or better a friend, and see what happens. If it is still zero than they shave.

Fabien · 05-02-2014, 05:33 AM

(usually fraud but people travel and travelers masturbate)

This one made me laugh lol

Relentless · 05-02-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

oh great thanks, i have almost forgot ... have a nice weekend everyone!

Have a great weekend lucas!

rockeru · 05-02-2014, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WebmastersLegion

Still no sales in Reallyuseful Cash! How is taht possible?!?!?

Total 4,148 1,946 1,457 369 0
$0.00 0 0:1946 0
$0.00 0 0
$0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00

That's way too low traffic for any conclusion

Until you reach 3000 traffic sent that ratio could go down to 1:1000 or less. Happened to me a lot of times.

WebmastersLegion · 05-02-2014, 02:47 PM

ok, will wait a few more weeks

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05-02-2014, 05:19 AM	#84
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03-13-2014, 09:26 AM	#51
lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	guys, it was new site, the traffic was highly targetted, so you want to tell me all the people waited 40 days to buy membership? come on ... i am pushing mostly new sites, that is my business, and if there is a sale stream, it never stop from day to day for 40 days ... never seen before ... sorry, but i still dont eat that everything is alright ...

03-13-2014, 10:01 AM	#53
3xmedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,728	very strange

04-02-2014, 07:06 PM	#61
WebmastersLegion Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 146	wich are the ratio of reallyusefulcash sites? i send 350 uniques from Search Engine using targetered kws and get no sales, i know that its low uniques, but want to know if someone know some of the ratio of the sites of ReallyUsefulCAsh.

04-05-2014, 01:20 PM	#62
WebmastersLegion Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 146	still no sales, cant beliave that ratio are so worst this days... Total 1,090 430 464 58 0 $0.00 0 0:430 0 $0.00 0 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00

04-05-2014, 06:11 PM	#67
Biggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,595	If I had to take a guess, he was adding sales to your account to get you to promote the site hard / enthusiastic about a new site. That way you would see better than real results so you'd push the site harder / keep you happy. Then he stopped doing it and then he started doing it again when you complained if he knows who you are / what your account is. This is one plausible situation. The reality is no one will be able to truly know.

04-17-2014, 07:04 PM	#76
WebmastersLegion Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 146	well stats still sux Total 2,271 923 987 341 0 $0.00 0 0:923 0 $0.00 0 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00

05-01-2014, 03:07 PM	#79
WebmastersLegion Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 146	Still no sales in Reallyuseful Cash! How is taht possible?!?!? Total 4,148 1,946 1,457 369 0 $0.00 0 0:1946 0 $0.00 0 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00

05-01-2014, 03:16 PM	#80
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	in the biz since 2002 and asking 'how its possible' to have 0:1946 in 2014? Are you drunk?

05-02-2014, 05:33 AM	#87
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	(usually fraud but people travel and travelers masturbate) This one made me laugh lol

05-02-2014, 02:47 PM	#90
WebmastersLegion Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 146	ok, will wait a few more weeks