Originally Posted by Paully (Post 20001843)

My guess is his 3rd party rates with that volume are pretty close to that of having his own MID without the customer service issues, fighting chargebacks, volatility of merchant accounts etc...

Just a guess though. I'm curious as well.

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20001951)

Actually, we are now in the midst of getting our own merchant account. Why have I left it this long? Many reasons...

My main objective from the beginning was to get to a magic number of "successful" sites in my network. I have that now. This now enables me to do what I set out to do when creating my company. Amongst many things, launch a tube.

The next step in the process is to get our own merchant account and to bring in the expertise we need. I had zero experience in running my own merchant account and saw this as a risk to my company and was more focused in the creation of new sites.

Processing with Epoch, Segpay and CCBill took away any billing headaches. I looked at their fee's, however high/low, as a cost of doing business. They take care of everything, and none of them have ever missed a payment. I have built up a very close relationship with all 3 companies and I have 100% trust in them. Quite simply, they are my friends.

Having my own merchant account will improve my already very healthy bottom line by a nice %. But until I was ready, I did not want the added risk to my company.

Not everyone will agree with how I have done it, but I am happy with the way I run my company.

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20001956)

Yep Paully, you are correct. I like to stay in a comfort zone when possible.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20002023)

I am also in the process of doing the same, and feel the same about my Reps at CCBill and Epoch. The only real differance between you and I JT is that you had the resources from the sale of YP to help fund your business (which I applaud) while I have had to start from zero to where I am now. If I had had even an influx of 100k we might be having lunch on my yacht. Sadly for me it must be on your yacht for now. :D

Oh - and I believe 100% without question that simply adding Bitcoin to your Join page killed sales. I'm surprised by 50% but probably shouldn't be; Bitcoin is all over the news lately and not in a good way.

Originally Posted by Paully (Post 20002026)

Makes sense to me.

Back to the original post. I don't doubt your results with Bitcoin for a number of reasons. I think most were already stated in this thread.

I'd be willing to bet if you asked random people to play the word association game and you said Bitcoin their responses would be Hacked, Illegal Sites, Money Laundering, Drug Dealing or what the hell is that and they would have to go and look it up.

And for the few that understand cryptocurrency they 1. Probably know where to get free porn 2. Would need to verify conversion rates and 3. Why the need for anonymous transactions without recourse? Is this site on the up and up?

Being that there is no subscription model in place and how volatile BTC is I'm not sure it's worth even trying to figure it out until things in the Bitcoin market flatten out if ever.

There might be legitimate markets for anonymous payments but like someone else here posted you can pick up a prepaid credit card at any corner store.

I think your cc sales dropped due to the negative connotation of btc and nothing else.

Again, just a guess.

Edit: Sorry, a bit redundant after Porn Nerds post.

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20001951)

Actually, we are now in the midst of getting our own merchant account. Why have I left it this long? Many reasons...

My main objective from the beginning was to get to a magic number of "successful" sites in my network. I have that now. This now enables me to do what I set out to do when creating my company. Amongst many things, launch a tube.

The next step in the process is to get our own merchant account and to bring in the expertise we need. I had zero experience in running my own merchant account and saw this as a risk to my company and was more focused in the creation of new sites.

Processing with Epoch, Segpay and CCBill took away any billing headaches. I looked at their fee's, however high/low, as a cost of doing business. They take care of everything, and none of them have ever missed a payment. I have built up a very close relationship with all 3 companies and I have 100% trust in them. Quite simply, they are my friends.

Having my own merchant account will improve my already very healthy bottom line by a nice %. But until I was ready, I did not want the added risk to my company.

Not everyone will agree with how I have done it, but I am happy with the way I run my company.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20002023)

I am also in the process of doing the same, and feel the same about my Reps at CCBill and Epoch. The only real differance between you and I JT is that you had the resources from the sale of YP to help fund your business (which I applaud) while I have had to start from zero to where I am now. If I had had even an influx of 100k we might be having lunch on my yacht. Sadly for me it must be on your yacht for now. :D

Oh - and I believe 100% without question that simply adding Bitcoin to your Join page killed sales. I'm surprised by 50% but probably shouldn't be; Bitcoin is all over the news lately and not in a good way.

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20001951)

Actually, we are now in the midst of getting our own merchant account. Why have I left it this long? Many reasons...

My main objective from the beginning was to get to a magic number of "successful" sites in my network. I have that now. This now enables me to do what I set out to do when creating my company. Amongst many things, launch a tube.

The next step in the process is to get our own merchant account and to bring in the expertise we need. I had zero experience in running my own merchant account and saw this as a risk to my company and was more focused in the creation of new sites.

Processing with Epoch, Segpay and CCBill took away any billing headaches. I looked at their fee's, however high/low, as a cost of doing business. They take care of everything, and none of them have ever missed a payment. I have built up a very close relationship with all 3 companies and I have 100% trust in them. Quite simply, they are my friends.

Having my own merchant account will improve my already very healthy bottom line by a nice %. But until I was ready, I did not want the added risk to my company.

Not everyone will agree with how I have done it, but I am happy with the way I run my company.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20002023)

I am also in the process of doing the same, and feel the same about my Reps at CCBill and Epoch. The only real differance between you and I JT is that you had the resources from the sale of YP to help fund your business (which I applaud) while I have had to start from zero to where I am now. If I had had even an influx of 100k we might be having lunch on my yacht. Sadly for me it must be on your yacht for now. :D

Oh - and I believe 100% without question that simply adding Bitcoin to your Join page killed sales. I'm surprised by 50% but probably shouldn't be; Bitcoin is all over the news lately and not in a good way.

Originally Posted by ITraffic (Post 19998988)

don't let your biases blind you.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comm...take_away_the/

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20002422)

maybe thats the reason why i had with hostpital 6 sales at ratio 1:71 first 4 days, then i am from fifth day till now with one sale with ratio 1:4482? it must be this, or shaving ... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20002030)

I hear you, but without my knowledge of the tubes, I feel that I would have wasted the $100k investment because I know I would have been too precious over my content to give the tubes 40-50% of a full clip in an edited tube version.

And I get sea sick, so you'll have to have lunch at one of my houses ;)

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 20001919)

And me showing through an image 1 way it would not kill sales... and having Damian for 2 pages attack the *copyright* banner of epoch... is ridiculous. 1000 ways to skin a cat...

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20002431)

i dont want to get pissed, but this is not normal! 1:71 to 1:4482 overnight ... hope all is good at their side as my new announced project is going live very soon ... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by cybermike (Post 20002648)

Ruseful why don't you provide your affiliates with better hosted videos like the ones you upload to the tubes? Why should surfers bother buying from us when they can get much better content on the tubes?

Originally Posted by cybermike (Post 20003220)

pfff every affiliate manager has said you don't want to do it :P

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20003237)

The last time I said no was months ago and I often do change my mind :) A lot has changed now so I'd be willing to look into just what's needed from our side. We have fallen short in the support of our affiliates, that's very evident, but if I take one thing from this thread, it was Shap's comment about going after the 5-10% revenues! and I see potentially more by actually giving the affiliates what they really need.

That statement will sound pathetic I know, but as I alluded in my earlier post, I came into the Paysites business with a sole purpose of making use of the little knowledge I had of the adult industry. And that was monetizing the tubes, not in the support of affiliates. But now is a good time for me to learn, and with your help, I'll try and get you the tools you need.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20003324)

]Eleganxia Network

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20003362)

a very wise friend of mine once said that if you can't shout your domain name without having to spell it, to someone in a club, it is shit.

That name just looks like you spit random characters into a 'what domain is available' app

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20003362)

a very wise friend of mine once said that if you can't shout your domain name without having to spell it, to someone in a club, it is shit.

That name just looks like you spit random characters into a 'what domain is available' app.

wtf is wrong with pornnerdcash.com?

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20003362)

a very wise friend of mine once said that if you can't shout your domain name without having to spell it, to someone in a club, it is shit.

That name just looks like you spit random characters into a 'what domain is available' app.

wtf is wrong with pornnerdcash.com?

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20003362)

a very wise friend of mine once said that if you can't shout your domain name without having to spell it, to someone in a club, it is shit.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20003468)

Eleganxia is a play on elegancia, latin for Elegant. So not really that odd. Maybe spanish-speakers can yell it in a club. :) Plus, it has an X in it! I'm so clever....:D

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20003468)

Eleganxia is a play on elegancia, latin for Elegant. So not really that odd. Maybe spanish-speakers can yell it in a club. :) Plus, it has an X in it! I'm so clever....:D

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 20003798)

My :2 cents:... You should seriously rethink that one.

It may sound clever to you, but it looks like an incorrectly spelled name. Not to mention, you are expecting all of your affiliates to remember that bizarre spelling, which they won't. K.I.S.S.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20003468)

Eleganxia is a play on elegancia, latin for Elegant. So not really that odd. Maybe spanish-speakers can yell it in a club. :) Plus, it has an X in it! I'm so clever....:D

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19998627)

You should just block the US then.

Originally Posted by SCORE Ralph (Post 20004187)

Interesting read. Since testing for the past 3 weeks, our results are somewhat better. 40SomethingMag went from 1:718 to 1:599; XLGirls went from 1:713 to 1:633; Scoreland went from 1:562 to 1:454. February isn't a great month to test change of options, specially with shorter month and V-day right smack in the middle, but even so, our results were not so bad.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 20003798)

My :2 cents:... You should seriously rethink that one.

It may sound clever to you, but it looks like an incorrectly spelled name. Not to mention, you are expecting all of your affiliates to remember that bizarre spelling, which they won't. K.I.S.S.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20004046)

I was personally a little stunned to see this. Why would you use a domain name that stands little to zero chance of people typing it in or typing the correct word in a search engine... much less, remembering it or even speaking it?

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20004230)

Let's wait and see the sites themselves then people can judge. I've shown the name to MANY "non-porn" people and they loved it.

Affiliates will signup if they can make money.

The affiliate program name however I am willing to change - it was done quickly to have something in place when I began this. But Eleganxia people can pronounce. LOL Think 'Elegance..ia. Not that hard and many Spanish-speakers know that word.

Thanks for the feedback.



People on this very board told me the same exact thing about:

ErosExotica
Fellucia Blow

And both those sites have earned millions in revenue over the past 4 years. Type-ins? Through the roof. UNIQUENESS sells, even if it's a made-up word. In time, with branding, people "get it". So I hold my own council when it comes to naming things.

PS: Affiliates will be promoting the 4 HD sites in the Network, NOT "Eleganxia" itself.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20004244)

The difference is in doing things where one looks at little details and seeing that they either offer you another small advantage, or another small disadvantage.

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20004216)

So as usual the advice is that some stuff works for some people and tanks for others - you just have to test it and see.

Although you say your ratios improved, but not whether any revenue came in directly through Bitcoin.

Originally Posted by SCORE Ralph (Post 20004265)

I'll be more obvious next time. Yes, the extra sales came through BitCoin. :disgust

On a related note, newly added options can also drive users to use other less-used options particularly when the price differs. Ive seen this happen over and over again over the years.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20004230)

Let's wait and see the sites themselves then people can judge. I've shown the name to MANY "non-porn" people and they loved it.

Affiliates will signup if they can make money.

The affiliate program name however I am willing to change - it was done quickly to have something in place when I began this. But Eleganxia people can pronounce. LOL Think 'Elegance..ia. Not that hard and many Spanish-speakers know that word.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 20005075)

I am talking about the program name, not the pay sites in the network.

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 20005058)

Any idea of bitcoin targeted traffic? Did you market for additional traffic?

Originally Posted by Paully (Post 20005205)

Here ya go.http://www.pornnerdnetwork.com/gfy/pnc2.gif Free of charge.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20005545)

The sales points on that are so dull.

"50/50 revshare" - really? FUCK ME! that is amazingly unusual!
"weekly updates" - holy moly, that's a new idea!
"100% exclusive content" - I have just shat myself, no one EVER does that!!!
"high converting tours" - thank fuckery. i hate low converting tours!

you see my point. EVERY FUCKING PROGRAMME does that. there are many things I am sure are unique to the porn nerd network. Pick those things, not the things every single other programme does!

almost everyone does this, look at any programme's ads or home page. all the same. you could take a logo off one, put it on another and no one would know!

Alternatives:

Option One
"Whatever your niche, the porn nerd will convert it"
"Erotica, Busty, Vintage, Bollywood, MILFs and more"
"Click here to get started"

Option Two
"Talk Nerdy to me"
"The Porn Nerd wants your traffic"
"Click here to get nerdy"

Option Three
"Revenge of the Porn Nerds"
"We're taking over. Join us"
"Become a porn nerd today - click here"

etc

See my point? Do something DIFFERENT and your ad will get much higher response.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20005743)

Thanks very much!

Yes I totally agree with you - that banner was a 'quickie' since I had to have something in place right away. So I need to come up with some new ads. :)

Now where do I send the PayPal for your consultants fee? :)

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20006077)

No fee at this stage, that was a freebie showing you the sort of thinking I do. If you want to talk about working together in the future, feel free to email me damianjennings gmail