Its not a dream of being unemployed. It's you want to start a business or change careers. Before if you had a health problem and needed insurance you couldnt do that. Now you can. Also that's 10 years not tomorrow. That's 230,000 jobs a year in the big picture that not much and to assume they are all fired or want to starve on welfare is false but it works if you want to blame obama lol .

Page 5 of the rabble who bitch about income equality cheering the lose of 2.5 million full time jobs.

Any of you half wits want to explain how a 25 hour a week job pays for all of life's needs except for healthcare?

Oh wait, I'm arguing with Obama supporters. Never mind.

Explain that to me Tony.

Let's say I have a job. It pays me a SALARY that I live on. But I'll put that aside and pretend that I only work my job for my health insurance to fit your scenario.

So now I get my hours cut down so far that I no longer can get health insurance because the company doesn't want the added expense of the jacked up premiums of ObamaCare.

So now I quit that job.

Now I'm unemployed.

I can't pay my bills I can't pay the rent. I can't buy food.

And now tell me...WHERE does this great health care come from that will allow me to "discover my dreams"?

How on Earth am I going to be able to start a new business with NO money and NO income and my new "health plan" is subsidized by the govt.????

And to top it off...IF I somehow do start a new business (though I still don't understand HOW when I have NO money and NO income), and my business starts making a little bit of money...BOOM! I lose my subsidies and other govt. handouts (because I need to eat and have a place to live).

So I have to make a decision: Do I keep busting ass to grow my business knowing that it may take several years for it to grow? Because if I do, I will spend a lot of that time with a much worse quality of life when the subsidies I'm receiving are shut off.

Explain it to me how this is somehow "Good" as opposed to the old fashioned way of working your way up the ladder of success WITHOUT the govt. giving you a handout.

I did it. You did it. Everyone on this board did it. Our parents and grandparents and ancestors all did it. We didn't need ObamaCare's "help" to be unemployed and go after our "dreams".

But people suddenly are just too stupid and weak to be able to survive without the govt. "helping" them to NOT have a job?

This is some insane bullshit line of reasoning that the Democrat leadership has come up with to try and polish a turd.

I'm a little confused, you both have blamed Bush for the collapse of the economy and are now saying you have no real idea of who is to blame?

15 months they could have at least addressed it, correct?

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Now instead of just one King in Washington, we have hundreds - all elevated above the peasants by the generosity of their lobbyist overlords.

Studies reveal that the wealthier a person becomes, the less empathetic they become.

The Puppet Masters have upped their game and extended their reach. As they say, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

Good luck, humans. :thumbsup

You lose empathy for the whining rabble who, instead of working as hard as you did, sat on their fat asses and whined about your success.

I've been seeing that story being repeated everywhere about Congress having a majority of "millionaires".

I'm just wondering though...wasn't the first Congress pretty much ALL wealthy people?

Not "millionaires" because back then a million dollars was more money than could be imagined.

In 2014...a million dollars isn't a big deal anymore.

For instance, $1 in 1913 is worth $23.53 in 2014 dollar value.

So for members of Congress in 1913 to be "millionaires" by today's standards they would have only had to have a net worth of $42,498.

Just saying...keeping that in mind, I'm pretty sure that Congress has ALWAYS been mostly very rich people since the very beginning.

And somehow, even the ones who aren't rich to begin with end up rich. Weird how that happens when they don't get paid that much. :(

So you think the members of congress are deserving, hard-working, betters, then?

They may not be fit to govern but they did what it took to get there. You didn't.
And since you were speaking about more than just THOSE millionaires, so was I.

They have inside information on what companies are getting major govt contracts and it's not illegal for congress members to act on that information as they have excluded themselves from insider trading rules. It's good to be the guys that write that laws...

At the state level whom have more of a direct effect than congress on your life, you have guys like the FL governor whom owned a drug testing company. He used his power as state governor to close all the state run drug testing facilities and then passed a law which required welfare recipients to be drug tested. Guess guess who got the contract for that!

Another example is former congressman from MA as well as a former DA has become the states largest legal marijuana grower. The state gave out 20 permits and he was given 3 of the 20, wonder how that happened... a former state senator was also given one..

There is really no secret how they become so rich, it's because they are corrupt as fuck and should all be lined up and shot for treason. That will never happen though because everything they do is perfectly legal..

So, they may not be fit to govern, but by hook or by crook they are where they are, so ipso-facto, they are deserving of the spoils? Is that the only criteria?

It is crazy how much they can cash in after they leave office. The access to the powerbrokers that they gain while in office pays off enormously afterwards.

When Gore was done being VP he was invited to sit on the board of Apple. Cheney was hired by Haliburtion because of his connections in Washington.

I read that Bill Clinton made something like 60 million in his first two years out of office.

Like you said, if they weren't rich before going into office, many of them are after.

You miss the point, son. The point is that people like me, who've busted their ass to get where they are, have no empathy for people like you who've done nothing in life but whine.

The criteria is how hard you've worked, not how much you've whined

and the poop throwing begins, as usual.

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I have often thought that if the Founding Fathers were to magically appear in today's world...the first thing they would do is get a rope and start hanging everyone from the President down to the local dog catcher for treason.

You've finally developed enough self awareness to recognize what you're doing with your incessant posting of meaningless, leftist gibberish slapped across pics?
Good, will you stop now?

I'm not even sure why all these political posts come up.

They have nothing to do with the adult industry. And many times it pisses people off so badly that it HURTS the person posting this stuff from doing any business here.

We were always told as children to NEVER discuss religion or politics. But it sure does seem like some folks are just chomping at the bit to do it every day on an adult industry business forum.

Go figure. :(

about half of them have a law degree or some other doctorate, so politics or not, they would have earned a pretty decent coin anyway... and combine that with the fact that most of them are well into their 50s, it's not exactly shocking that they would have accumulated a million+ $$ during their whole careers...

Why has all the left leaning people in this thread tried so hard to change the subject?

Because right now, we're not talking about the OP anymore

That's already been solved bro!

We went from trying to build a great economy where people can work there way up the ladder and make something for themselves into a new talking point that says: "Yes, there will be 2.5 million more people unemployed...but it's a GOOD thing."

You have to keep up with the ObamaSpeak more quickly. Just listen to whatever Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi say on any given day and you'll be up to speed.

And if this doesn't take the heat off...then in a couple of days they will pivot to "immigration reform" or "wealth distribution inequality" or ANYTHING that isn't about what is happening to the economy and the job market.

But for some reason most of them choose to be lifetime/career politicians INSTEAD of being a lawyer.

Lawyers make pretty good money as you said. Way more than the salary that these guys make as Senators and Congressmen.

No, these guys are in the RULING CLASS. Forget the "rich" vs "poor".
It's the RULING CLASS who are the ones bending you all over and laughing at us all.

I've said it over and over and over...the federal govt. spends more money in less than a week than Warren Buffet's ENTIRE worth.

And it has more money than all the corporations put together.

You want to make big money? And have an income revenue stream for LIFE?
Become a politician. (or a preacher...both jobs are for con artists)

Then you never have to EARN your money again! You just TAKE it. And then you live like a king, get the greatest medical care on Earth, and unless you get real stupid and do something blatant in public....you are pretty much above the law.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5fRHdTjSUc4

Sometimes you have to wonder if some of these guys understand basic math.
When my daughter needed help with Algebra, I was still able to help her and got her thru geometry as well.

These guys on here thinking that the unemployment rate going down to 6.6% and 2.3 million stopping to work is a good thing, it's like they have no ability to see that the basic math for this is bad.

over 8 million more workers came to age under Obama, yet the workforce percentage has shrunk by about 3 %

Under Obama, jobs created hasn't kept up with the new people needing jobs, let alone the ones that were already in the job market

A good example of this is a story I saw recently where the army and the department of defense said they don't need any more new tanks. Congress ignored them and went ahead and approved a big contract to build a bunch of new tanks. You know the owners of that company are well connected and I wouldn't be shocked to see them offer up anyone who supported them a fat salary as a lobbyist or board member when they leave office.

I saw that talked about on Bill Maher's show.

The tanks are lined up out in the desert here in the U.S. and are slated to be destroyed without ever being used at all.

And yet, when the defense budget is brought up and talk of slowing down the GROWTH of spending for next year (what Washington D.C. refers to as a "cut")...all HELL breaks loose!

Because if we cut any growth in the defense budget we won't be able to defend the country against 12 crazy Arabs with box cutters. :(

And not one peep about it from the idiots who'd be shouting "Bush sux0r" 7 years ago

Its completely fucking insane that a bunch of people, so blinded by bias and flawed ideology... in the worst economic recovery EVER, IN THE HISTORY OF THE U.S. ECONOMY are somehow defending a MASSIVE loss in jobs as a good thing.

Wow.....

Must be nice to be unemployable and dumb. I'm sometimes secretly envious. It has to be very liberating. Never having to care about how much you make... never having to plan for the future. Never having to blame yourself for anything in life at all... just spending your time playing xbox and holding your hand out and blaming Bush and banks and oil companies and the Tea Party for your problems.

You mean like how you came in my last topic and never once even commented on the topic but instead started ranting about Obama. Vendzilla can never wait to change the subject and I don't think 12clicks is smart enough to know what the subject is.. You guys just circle jerk with each other jizzing over who can blame Obama the most.

You guys never stay on topic yet you are complaining others don't? Lol this topic was done the moment it was posted, because just like always Vendy didn't research anything he just posted garbage that was proven wrong before he posted it. Just like his other current topic about the so called charity giving out guns.

Charles Schumer just said a single working mother of three will now have more freedom working a part time job.
Let that sink in for a minute.

There is no job loss.

People like my wife who work because their healthcare costs with pre-existing conditions are $2k a month are forced to work to afford healthcare. Now with Obamacare it will cost one forth of that to cover all three of us... Thus, she no longer has to work.

Don't you get this? She can work thirty hours a week and get healthcare for free or helathcare will cost her $2k a month. Now she doesn't have to work and she can stay at home. She's not going to go on unemployment or any kind of aid what so ever.

There are millions of people in the same exact circumstances.

I have a friend of mine who is married with three kids. His wife and his son both have medical life long / life threatening medical issues that are considered pre-existing. His wife requires treatment every month. Their healthcare costs them 60% of their combined income every month. With Obamacare they will be able to switch healthcare plans for the first time in over a decade, and their healthcare costs will go down by fifty percent. His wife will no longer have to work two crappy jobs to make ends meet.

People like this who work ONLY because they need healthcare will no longer need to work. They aren't going to loose their jobs or go on employment; Not everyone needs to work. This will free up two million jobs, which will further reduce unemployment without any costs to us taxpayers.

This is win win for everyone, and you are trying to turn this into a bad thing. It's not.

Right... i get it.

"There is no job loss"...
"not everyone needs work"...
"this will "free up" 2 million jobs"

All while the economy is in the worst recession ever.
It can only help that less people are working.
That's exactly how macro economics works.
That's how an economy thrives.
Makes perfect sense.

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crockett, I'm not the President of The United States.

Pres. Obama is. And when he pivots trying to distract people like you from the real issues...it matters.
If I go off topic on a message board...it doesn't matter to anybody. Nobody gets hurt. Nobody loses their jobs.

Also, if you don't think that 12clicks is VERY smart...then you need to look at where you are in life and ask yourself why and how.

As for "research". I've seen you say some pretty foolish things and then turn around and use some of the most leftist sources for your "facts".

In this thead...Vendzilla is directly quoting the CBO and you & others are trying to SPIN what the CBO said into something else.

And then you tell Vendzilla (and anyone else with a modicum of intelligence) that he didn't "understand" what he read.

Come on man!

What's next? You'll tell me the sky isn't blue because I don't understand color? lol

I'm not "jizzing" on anything. Nor am I the one changing the subject.

The subject of this thread is the CBO report that plainly states the Obamacare is costing jobs. Something that business leaders, economists...EVERYBODY except Democrat loyalists have been saying since 2009 was going to happen.

I'm telling you that the Democrat Party leadership is deflecting, pivoting, and trying to change the national conversation AWAY from ObamaCare and the economy.

You reply to me with a personal attack on a me and 2 other guys who post on a message board.

WTF?

You know, in another thread...I got personal on you. I realized afterwards that it was the wrong thing to do. And I apologized.

I'd like to simply discuss the situation that our country finds itself in.

I know that people have passionate beliefs about their "side". And it causes foolish outbursts like the one you just did when you get frustrated in an argument.

I'm interested in what you have to say on the subject. And I'm ready to argue the fine points with you in my spare time right here on GFY.

Let's keep it in the arena of ideas and try to not attack each other.

I'm not the problem in this country. Neither are you.

The problems are caused by the people in power.

My bottom line solution is I'd like to see them ALL voted out after one term. Other people have a different perspective.

I just think that what we have been doing hasn't worked. It's time for REAL "hope and change". :)

I'm happy for everyone in your story. That's the good in the situation...

Now here's the bad: their gain is someone else's loss. Their reduction in costs is now being covered by others who aren't sick or in need of such elaborate services. There's a story out there of some guy also barely able to survive or maybe trying to finally get ahead, who is trying to do right and climb up the corporate ladder, and now his healthcare cost just tripled. Except the reality is the gain in the stories you described likely hurt more people on the other side than it helped on your side.

That's how government works. The government fucks up almost everything it touches for the most part.

If someone has a bad medical condition and it's clear that they are the cost, shouldn't the majority of that cost be borne onto them and not everyone else?

That's not to say their shouldn't be help or the situation isn't bad, but I personally want to live in a world where there is more personal responsibility than shared help, vs the other way around.

Robbie let's get real here, you never once try to debate any of these topics about Obama from a non biased view. These posts play out the exact same every time, Vend starts a topic and you never question anything he says. You never look objectively at the information, as long as it's anti left or anti Obama you are good with it. You wait until someone says something that you can pick apart and then you jump in.

You never pick apart Vends posts never Mintes, or any of the other conservative bros. You only attack the guys that argue against the conservative view point and then claim you are unbiased because you throw in a I liked Bill Clinton or this or that. Then you jump on the high horse to tell us we are biased but you are middle of the road.

Just like now, you bring up that I personally attack the 3 people that I said I troll. Yet you never say a word about Vend calling people idiots every other post, you never say anything about 12clicks acting like a child. Soon as either of them say something you can support you back them up, yet you never say a word when they degrade the topics with name calling and we are supposed to not say anything in return..

I really don't care if anyone is on the left or right side, but don't just only attack one side and then say you are not biased. Honestly I try not to troll you, but when I see you saying you are middle of the road yet your actions don't show that.. I do troll Vend just because he can't seem to make two posts with out calling everyone he doesn't like an idiot. Same with 12clicks.. Neither of them will stop and you guys just back them up by propping up their arguments.

why would i single out anyone to blame just him when so many people deserve the "honor"

here's a nice list - read it up

http://content.time.com/time/special...877339,00.html

but yeah, sure, if only the democratic party had addressed the problem within those 15 months - that might have saved us all









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I'm NOT "middle of the road" crockett.

I'm a Libertarian. Everything that I am criticizing the Obama administration over are things that I vehemently am against: Spying on us, big govt., the drug war, our continuing occupation of other countries, killing people in other countries with our drones.

And again, I have to point out...the "right" isn't in power. The "left" is.

So I am going to question authority. The people in power are the ones in charge.

If they wanted to STOP spying on us...Pres. Obama could do that today.
If he wanted to pull all the troops back home...he could do it today.
If he wanted to stop drone attacks, he could do it today.
If he wanted to stop the Patriot Act, he could do it today.
He could stop the Justice Dept. from the never-ending drug war today.

The Democrats are in power crockett. Not the Republicans.

I will be voting Libertarian next election (just like I did in 2012).
IF you vote, you will vote Democrat...again. And people who are hypnotized on the right, will vote Republican...again.

Remember the definition of insanity: Repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

So now I have to ask you...what does it matter what "side" I take in these debates?

Am I the reason that Obamacare is failing. No.
That would be Pres. Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi. They are the leaders of the Democrat Party who allowed this horrible legislation to be written without even reading it themselves or understanding the consequences.

I can blame Bush for making a HUGE power grab for the Federal Govt. by using 9-11 as an excuse for the "Patriot Act", searching us at airports, spying on us, tracking our every financial move, etc.

But he's not the President anymore. He's been gone for 5 long years.

President Obama is someone that I THOUGHT was going to change all of that and restore our freedoms.
He did not.

And in some ways he has escalated the shit out of what Bush started.

What do you want me to criticize crockett?

I can sit here and call John Boehner names if that makes you feel good. Or post pictures of Sarah "batshit crazy" Palin or Michelle "even crazier" Bachman.

But those people are NOT in power. They aren't responsible for the decisions that the federal govt. is continuing to make.

And the countless lies that Pres. Obama has told are HIS. Not theirs.

You see what I'm saying?

Why should I question Vendzilla's posts? He has no power...just like you don't and I don't. We are simply discussing what the govt. is doing NOW.

I AM questioning the Federal Govt. and the current party that is in power. THEY are the ones responsible for what happens or doesn't happen today.

Hope that makes sense.

I'm not the one that blames everything on Bush, Obama used it for most of his presidency, the left leaning people in these threads are still beating that drum. True is, all the politicians let it happen when it should have never happened. And also is happened well into the democrats watch because they had the senate and the house under full control. People in this thread are busy still saying it was Bush's fault when the senate is responsible for things like this. The democrats can never take responsibility for their actions.

Right now they are saying nothing to see with the IRS scandal. Yet Obama has one of his contributors overseeing the investigation and the head of the IRS took the fifth and resigned, yet they are so supportive of their savior, they don't see a problem here? It baffles me!

But hey, so we don't spend too much time on all these scandals, lets get working on an immigration reform bill, even though the republicans want nothing to do with it right now.

Hell, all these politicians just cut 1.7 million people off unemployment insurance and can't come to an agreement. 1.7 million people just lost all the support they had from the government with no heads about to get ready for it!

Republicans want it paid for, the democrats found a way to pay for it in a weird way.
then the republicans wanted an increase to military retiree cost-of-living payments, which would add more to the deficit, requiring additional cuts to the federal budget.

I have to re-register soon , thinking of going that way myself as it rings true to my beliefs that the constitution is a well written piece that can still govern us!

Democrats say they love this country but want to change everything

Republicans are too into religion

And the president is too weak to bring them together, unlike Reagan and Clinton

So you saying that housewives and stay at home moms are bad for the economy?

My wife - who only works because she needs healthcare - will become a stay at home mom, freeing up another job for someone that needs it.

Again, you try to twist this into a bad thing. It's not that "less people will be working". Instead it will be some people who don't really need to work will leave their jobs, freeing them up for people who do need them.

This is just a basic common sense issue that it's blowing my mind that people don't get it. Two million people will leave their jobs and no longer work because they no longer need to work, freeing up two million jobs. Unemployment will go down, and we'll spend less money in government support. The economy will not miss these two million people who no longer work, because an additional two million will step up and take their place.

The only two numbers that change here will be unemployment will go down, and there will be less people on government support.

show me any non-democrat that has taken responsibility

note: from my point of view both parties suck

but the religious weirdos in the Republican party would make it impossible for me to ever vote for them - no matter how much i agree or disagree on the rest of what they say/do

(and i am afraid that goes for many Americans too)

Republicans are banking on the fact that the US is mostly a christian nation, that's the truth. The amount of churches in this country is stupid.

As for a non democrat taking responsibility
Bush took responsibility for the Iraq war
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/...cnn_topstories

Chris Christy did for the Bridge gate thing, he said it falls on him for what his staff did and fired the person responsible.
http://nypost.com/2014/01/09/staffer...er-bridgegate/

Yet
Obamacare website Sebelius still has a job
IRS scandal, she took the fifth and quit
Fast and Furious, Eric Holder still has a job

"ATF has accepted responsibility for the mistakes made in the Fast and Furious investigation and at the attorney general's direction we have taken appropriate and decisive action to ensure that these errors will not be repeated," ATF said in a statement. "And we acknowledge that, regrettably, firearms related to the Fast and Furious investigation will likely continue to be recovered at future crime scenes."


Shall I go on?

Yep...the religious extremists are the ones that have always kept me from being a Republican.

I agree with Republican talking points about fiscal responsibility and small govt. (though they have NEVER followed through on it)...but the religious nonsense that they have in their platform to please that block of voters is WAY out of line for me.

For me it was war with Iraq, should have never happened, they still hadn't got Bin Ladin, they should have got him before doing anything else.

Religion, yeah that's something that shouldn't be in politics, but still getting tired of atheists always suing to get their ways

I have no complaints at all about fiscal conservatives. The problem is even if there are any left, they have no power in the Republican Party. The Republican Party pretty much ended any chance that I could support it when they violated my right to vote and stealing the election. I don't like the Religious stuff but I can deal with it assuming it's not too crazy, however violating my constitutional right to have my vote counted in order to cheat their way to an election win is the end of the line.

I can deal with lies or broken promises but when a party has to steal an election to get in office, then that party has no future as long as I'm voting. I don't live in North Korea where there is only one name on the ballot.

There aren't any left that I have seen. They only make promises to get elected, and then it's off to the bank with pork barrel spending and selling influence.

In my opinion, ANY politician who talks about "faith" and "religion" should be kicked out of office just the same way we would if one started "believing" in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

These are SUPPOSED to be our best and brightest people. :disgust

Well there is never any getting away from the Religious problem in this country.. Far too many people are into that for any non religious person to get elected. Even if they aren't religious they have to lie and claim they are if they want to get elected.

man, where to even begin...

i think i rather do something pleasant instead

There's nothing he posted that isn't true. Begin there.

Bush took responsibility by blaming it on false intelligence while saying it needed to be done anyhow. That's not taking responsibility, that's pushing the blame on someone else and then saying "It didn't really matter any how".