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Vendzilla · 02-06-2014, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Whatever.

We've counted unemployment the same exact way since long before I was born. Why should we suddenly change the way we've been tracking unemployment?

No problem, this is a simple solution. Let's go back and recalculate unemployment for the past twenty years, then we will have a level playing field so we know where we really stand.

Better look into this Richard, the way unemployment had been changed so many times as of late it's hard to keep score. I think it was Clinton that added the military to give himself a boost when he needed it.

Here, read this and you might see what I'm talking about

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3619152.html

I'd personally focus on the labor-force participation rate, which includes people working and looking for work. This has been at about 63 percent in recent years, well below the 66 percent that prevailed before the recession. That may not sound like a big difference, but that extra 3 percent would take the number of officially unemployed people up to about 18 million from 12 million.

And that would jack the unemployment rate up to about 11 percent

PornoMonster · 02-06-2014, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Fuck dude, I quoted the CBO and you say I didn't understand it, how fucking high are you?

I bet you talk like this all the time you moronic fucking idiot

Republican or democrat, if I got a beef, you'll hear about it

One, I'm a registered independent
Two, please name one thing that Hilary can put on her resume as a good thing, don't look it up, but just name one accomplishment she has done?
Not the job titles either, just something positive she accomplished on her own!

If she becomes president, she'll hopefully have to deal with a republican house and senate so she doesn't fuck up things more than they already are!

She is a Female. We have a Black President, and now the cool thing to do is a Female one.
She supports everything Obama does, and thus Lots of votes there.

Remember when she had to run for cover when visiting our troops? See, she even puts her life on the line.

Republicans are stupid to preach the religion crap, Don't say ONE word about it, and the Vote will go up.

Rochard · 02-06-2014, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Better look into this Richard, the way unemployment had been changed so many times as of late it's hard to keep score. I think it was Clinton that added the military to give himself a boost when he needed it.

Here, read this and you might see what I'm talking about

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3619152.html

I'd personally focus on the labor-force participation rate, which includes people working and looking for work. This has been at about 63 percent in recent years, well below the 66 percent that prevailed before the recession. That may not sound like a big difference, but that extra 3 percent would take the number of officially unemployed people up to about 18 million from 12 million.

And that would jack the unemployment rate up to about 11 percent

Great, let's do it. Let's say that the actual unemployment rate is really 11%. But when you apply this formula across the board to all months, it STILL looks better than the 16% it was when Bush left office, or the 21% it was at our high point.

All you are doing is changing the formula and making all of the numbers higher.

And it still wouldn't be any more factual. My wife is about to quit her job, being as she no longer has to work to have health benefits. She won't be unemployed, she just won't be working. You can't count her in your stats because she doesn't have a job.

Rochard · 02-06-2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

She is a Female. We have a Black President, and now the cool thing to do is a Female one.
She supports everything Obama does, and thus Lots of votes there.

Remember when she had to run for cover when visiting our troops? See, she even puts her life on the line.

Republicans are stupid to preach the religion crap, Don't say ONE word about it, and the Vote will go up.

I think Hillary will be horrible. I also think she will be unstoppable.

I am all for having a woman in office. Not caring about that. But I think Hillary is scary.

Relentless · 02-06-2014, 05:58 PM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...oring-20140206

Robbie · 02-06-2014, 06:35 PM

I've always enjoyed Rolling Stone magazine. Especially in the early 1970's when their political reporting really was impressive.
That's when they questioned authority.

The writers of 2014? Just a bunch of Democrat Party loyalists who don't question ANYTHING that the Democrats do.

The press's job IS to question authority at every turn.
Not just to pick "sides".

Still enjoy Rolling Stone magazine. But there isn't any Hunter S. Thompson there now for damn sure.

Relentless · 02-06-2014, 06:59 PM

Robbie,

The rest of rolling stone is hot garbage.
Matt Taibbi is the most insightful financial reporter actively covering the subject presently.
Why he writes for them I have no idea... But read his article and past posts.
He definitely 'gets it'

As usual, he is spot on with this one. The GOP could have made a valid point about creating more takers, and instead chose to make an easily disproven point about the CBO saying it caused less need for employment. Chasing false headlines instead of real solutions. Meanwhile the Democrats are so happy they can argue the GOP is wrong instead of dealing with the actual problem that they also aren't even trying to find a solution.

crockett · 02-06-2014, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So you are ok with bringing up my daughter? In any conversation you have no right to bring her up in any conversation . You're on my ignore list, you will have no say as you do in life living in your van in front of your moms house.

Fucking low life is no better than a pedo for bringing up my daughter, Go Fuck Yourself Ass Hat!

I'm sorry I didn't realize that was your daughter in the video..

Again what drugs are you on?

crockett · 02-06-2014, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So you are ok with bringing up my daughter? In any conversation you have no right to bring her up in any conversation . You're on my ignore list, you will have no say as you do in life living in your van in front of your moms house.

Fucking low life is no better than a pedo for bringing up my daughter, Go Fuck Yourself Ass Hat!

You are seriously insane dude.. I quoted a very well known sketch called Tokyo Breakfast and somehow in the space between your ears which appears to be hollow you conclude that I'm talking about your daughter..

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MgjwjaB...DMgj wjaBJ5Do

Robbie · 02-06-2014, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Matt Taibbi is the most insightful financial reporter actively covering the subject presently.
Why he writes for them I have no idea... But read his article and past posts.
He definitely 'gets it'

I'm well aware of him. I've seen him many times on Bill Maher's show.

He's a total and complete idealogue who does nothing but go after Republicans.
He isn't questioning the Obama Administration on ANYTHING.

The only reason you and many perceive his as "getting it", is because he echoes your own view.

My question would be...why isn't he going after the PRESIDENT? Or any Democrats?
Lord knows there is plenty of stupidity and corruption...but watching him on Bill Maher, he had only ONE target: Republicans.

He is supposed to be a journalist.
The whole reason for having a "free press" is to question authority and hold them up for public scrutiny.

He did a great job of that when Bush was President.

Not so much for the last 5 years.

That you don't see that should lead you to some introspection.

We have Fox News on one side attacking everything Democrat.
And the rest of the media on the other side attacking everything Republican.

It's a fucking disgrace and the antithesis of what the press is supposed to be doing.

As for Matt Taibbi himself...he's not fit to carry Bob Woodward's jock strap.

tony286 · 02-07-2014, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm well aware of him. I've seen him many times on Bill Maher's show.

He's a total and complete idealogue who does nothing but go after Republicans.
He isn't questioning the Obama Administration on ANYTHING.

The only reason you and many perceive his as "getting it", is because he echoes your own view.

My question would be...why isn't he going after the PRESIDENT? Or any Democrats?
Lord knows there is plenty of stupidity and corruption...but watching him on Bill Maher, he had only ONE target: Republicans.

really ?
http://crooksandliars.com/heather/ma...ut-wall-street
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2092218.html
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ponse-20121026

Relentless · 02-07-2014, 06:21 AM

Robbie,

You are wrong on this. He rarely goes after politicians and when does, he attacks both sides.
He goes after regulators and bankers often.
He often helps the GOP by pointing out the argument they should make (like he did in this example).

Read his articles. They are worth reading.

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 06:52 AM

so the same guys who bang the income inequity drum are in day 3 of cheering the loss of full time work. amazing.

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Whatever.

We've counted unemployment the same exact way since long before I was born. Why should we suddenly change the way we've been tracking unemployment?

No problem, this is a simple solution. Let's go back and recalculate unemployment for the past twenty years, then we will have a level playing field so we know where we really stand.

no we haven't, dipshit. please stop typing. you have no idea what you're talking about.

"""In 1994, under the Clinton Administration, the Bureau Of Labor Statistics (BLS) changed the methods in which it calculated the levels of unemployment in the U.S. While the changes appeared to be minor on the surface at the time - the impact today is likely far greater than originally imagined. (for more detail on the changes read here)"""
http://stawealth.com/daily-x-change/...er-method.html

and please save the idiot speak you want to spew about unemployment under bush as a rising unemployment rate is far more accurate than the current lowering rate because the newly unemployed are all being counted.

arock10 · 02-07-2014, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

so the same guys who bang the income inequity drum are in day 3 of cheering the loss of full time work. amazing.

2.5 million people that no longer need to work just to get healthcare sounds like more people at home in front of computers looking at porn.

Relentless · 02-07-2014, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

2.5 million people that no longer need to work just to get healthcare sounds like more people at home in front of computers looking at porn.

Looking at free porn maybe, looking for paid porn probably not.

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

2.5 million people that no longer need to work just to get healthcare sounds like more people at home in front of computers looking at porn.

is that REALLY what it sounds like from the bottom?

crockett · 02-07-2014, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm well aware of him. I've seen him many times on Bill Maher's show.

He's a total and complete idealogue who does nothing but go after Republicans.
He isn't questioning the Obama Administration on ANYTHING.

The only reason you and many perceive his as "getting it", is because he echoes your own view.

My question would be...why isn't he going after the PRESIDENT? Or any Democrats?
Lord knows there is plenty of stupidity and corruption...but watching him on Bill Maher, he had only ONE target: Republicans.

He is supposed to be a journalist.
The whole reason for having a "free press" is to question authority and hold them up for public scrutiny.

He did a great job of that when Bush was President.

Not so much for the last 5 years.

That you don't see that should lead you to some introspection.

We have Fox News on one side attacking everything Democrat.
And the rest of the media on the other side attacking everything Republican.

It's a fucking disgrace and the antithesis of what the press is supposed to be doing.

As for Matt Taibbi himself...he's not fit to carry Bob Woodward's jock strap.

Robbie you do the same thing. You do nothing but go at Obama all the time and you never question anything congress does. You act as if somehow Obama is always at fault you think somehow that no matter what congress does or acts like that if Obama can't work a deal with them it's his fault.

Meanwhile you ignore how extreme the Tea Party is and how they openly state they won't work with him, yet somehow Obama is supposed to fart rainbows and make them work with him.

I'm sorry but it takes BOTH sides to work together and you always blame one side when they can't work a deal. Just because the guy is the President doesn't mean he can force his will on others. You cant lead them if they are unwilling to be led and not open to comprise. Which the Tea Party is both..

arock10 · 02-07-2014, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Looking at free porn maybe, looking for paid porn probably not.

So what is new lol

arock10 · 02-07-2014, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

is that REALLY what it sounds like from the bottom?

I'm sorry you are pro slavery

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Robbie you do the same thing. You do nothing but go at Obama all the time and you never question anything congress does. You act as if somehow Obama is always at fault you think somehow that no matter what congress does or acts like that if Obama can't work a deal with them it's his fault.

Meanwhile you ignore how extreme the Tea Party is and how they openly state they won't work with him, yet somehow Obama is supposed to fart rainbows and make them work with him.

I'm sorry but it takes BOTH sides to work together and you always blame one side when they can't work a deal. Just because the guy is the President doesn't mean he can force his will on others. You cant lead them if they are unwilling to be led and not open to comprise. Which the Tea Party is both..

thats all very quaint. However, we have over 17 trillion in debt with no plan to ever spend within our means. Despite what the unintelligent think, that has to stop and be rolled back. THAT is what the Tea Party wants.
Meeting in the middle with obama doesn't accomplish that goal.

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

I'm sorry you are pro slavery

and here you have the intelligence of the typical obama voter.

arock10 · 02-07-2014, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

and here you have the intelligence of the typical obama voter.

and here you have the compassion towards others of a typical psychopath

Minte · 02-07-2014, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Robbie you do the same thing. You do nothing but go at Obama all the time and you never question anything congress does. You act as if somehow Obama is always at fault you think somehow that no matter what congress does or acts like that if Obama can't work a deal with them it's his fault.

Meanwhile you ignore how extreme the Tea Party is and how they openly state they won't work with him, yet somehow Obama is supposed to fart rainbows and make them work with him.

I'm sorry but it takes BOTH sides to work together and you always blame one side when they can't work a deal. Just because the guy is the President doesn't mean he can force his will on others. You cant lead them if they are unwilling to be led and not open to comprise. Which the Tea Party is both..

Keep it in perspective. Democrats have the executive branch and the senate...and probably the supreme court. Of the 435 people in the house 38 are tea party.
Less than 10%.. So do the math. The tea party can not hold up anything ever on anything being voted on if the rest of the government see's fit to do something.

Minte · 02-07-2014, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

and here you have the compassion towards others of a typical psychopath

You must be very young. Compassion towards others is very overrated. Most of those people that require compassion will stick a shiv in your kidney and walk off with your wallet and watch.

arock10 · 02-07-2014, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

You must be very young. Compassion towards others is very overrated. Most of those people that require compassion will stick a shiv in your kidney and walk off with your wallet and watch.

Yes, I totally see Rochard's wife who no longer has to work only for health insurance stabbing me in the kidney and taking my wallet.

I would guess she would be sitting at home buying porn well before stabbing me in the kidney and taking my wallet.

adendreams · 02-07-2014, 08:58 AM

I should have guessed when the CBO report on this hiring effect Obamacare will have over the next decade (which is a positive change for the country) Minte, Vendilla, 12Clicks...and all the usual Republican slime came in for this thread - Vendzilla saying he's a registered independent hahaha what a JOKE! And MR INDY Robbie - fucking false equivalence that the left press is just as bad as the right press - you guys are both too embarrassed to call yourselves what you are: Right wing fear mongers.

Oh excuse me Robbie - you're a Libertarian so you're even further right and your vision for the nation is ever worse and more ludicrous - at least Minte stakes his claim and admits he watches Fox and buys into the brainwash machine.

Vendzilla stop trying to sound neutral and objective - ANYTHING even SLIGHTLY negative about Obama thats reported in the media you come proudly screaming into GFY with a new smear thread - then you call smart people morons - you're a disgusting puke with zero intelligence - if you had half a brain you would look into this CBO report and realize that the net effect on jobs that Obamacare will have is a GOOD thing - unless you think that a pregnant mom trying to feed a family should have to work 60 hours a week to pay for health care... demand for labor will go up not down and no matter how Fox news trys to spin this thats a good thing - healthcare is a human right and in the future we will not have to ruin our health and eat cheap fast food and work 3 jobs to afford it.

Give it up you rightwing smear merchants - you LOST this one. Obamacare isnt going anywhere (and it's likely going to be VERY popular in a few years) no matter how much your shake your fat fists covered in cheap rings at the clouds...hahaha dumbfucks

crockett · 02-07-2014, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

thats all very quaint. However, we have over 17 trillion in debt with no plan to ever spend within our means. Despite what the unintelligent think, that has to stop and be rolled back. THAT is what the Tea Party wants.
Meeting in the middle with obama doesn't accomplish that goal.

You didn't complain the 8 years Bush was in office.. Obama didn't create 17 trillion dollars of debt. Bill Clinton had us on the road to recovery where it would of been paid, but Bush came in pissed it all away with two wars, tax cuts and $500 checks.. Yet let's Blame Obama whom inherited the problem..of both a out of control spending environment and a collapsed economy.

Why is it when Republicans had control of the Oval Office for 8 years, the House for 4 years and and the Senate for 6 years they couldn't manage to balance the budget, reform immigration or any of the other things they live to bitch and moan about? All they did was spend, spend, spend and then blame the next guy in line for all the shit they fucked up.

Minte · 02-07-2014, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

Yes, I totally see Rochard's wife who no longer has to work only for health insurance stabbing me in the kidney and taking my wallet.

I would guess she would be sitting at home buying porn well before stabbing me in the kidney and taking my wallet.

Why does his wife need compassion?

Minte · 02-07-2014, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

I should have guessed when the CBO report on this hiring effect Obamacare will have over the next decade (which is a positive change for the country) Minte, Vendilla, 12Clicks...and all the usual Republican slime came in for this thread - Vendzilla saying he's a registered independent hahaha what a JOKE! And MR INDY Robbie - fucking false equivalence that the left press is just as bad as the right press - you guys are both too embarrassed to call yourselves what you are: Right wing fear mongers.

Oh excuse me Robbie - you're a Libertarian so you're even further right and your vision for the nation is ever worse and more ludicrous - at least Minte stakes his claim and admits he watches Fox and buys into the brainwash machine.

Vendzilla stop trying to sound neutral and objective - ANYTHING even SLIGHTLY negative about Obama thats reported in the media you come proudly screaming into GFY with a new smear thread - then you call smart people morons - you're a disgusting puke with zero intelligence - if you had half a brain you would look into this CBO report and realize that the net effect on jobs that Obamacare will have is a GOOD thing - unless you think that a pregnant mom trying to feed a family should have to work 60 hours a week to pay for health care... demand for labor will go up not down and no matter how Fox news trys to spin this thats a good thing - healthcare is a human right and in the future we will not have to ruin our health and eat cheap fast food and work 3 jobs to afford it.

Give it up you rightwing smear merchants - you LOST this one. Obamacare isnt going anywhere (and it's likely going to be VERY popular in a few years) no matter how much your shake your fat fists covered in cheap rings at the clouds...hahaha dumbfucks

So that was quite a snowboard trip...a month?

crockett · 02-07-2014, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Keep it in perspective. Democrats have the executive branch and the senate...and probably the supreme court. Of the 435 people in the house 38 are tea party.
Less than 10%.. So do the math. The tea party can not hold up anything ever on anything being voted on if the rest of the government see's fit to do something.

I am keeping it in perspective. Obama only had the house for 2 years. He has had the Senate for 6 years. Meanwhile he's had 4 years of a Republican controlled House that's only goal is to make sure he can't get anything done.

Now compare that to Bush Jr.. He had 8 years in the White House, 6 years with control of the House and 4 years with control of the Senate. Yet he didn't cut spending and he doubled the national debt.

So tell me how is Obama supposed to work with the Tea Party whom even the Republicans can't control and are on the verge of tearing their own party apart? Bush couldn't even do it with full control of everything and you guys expect Obama to do it when he's up against Tea Party members that won't even work with their own party.

Look I don't think Obama is the Messiah, and I don't think all Republicans are all evil, but the Tea Party is fucking up this country, republicans can't even work with them anymore.. So how could Obama possibly have a chance?

BFT3K · 02-07-2014, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You didn't complain the 8 years Bush was in office.. Obama didn't create 17 trillion dollars of debt. Bill Clinton had us on the road to recovery where it would of been paid, but Bush came in pissed it all away with two wars, tax cuts and $500 checks.. Yet let's Blame Obama whom inherited the problem..of both a out of control spending environment and a collapsed economy.

Why is it when Republicans had control of the Oval Office for 8 years, the House for 4 years and and the Senate for 6 years they couldn't manage to balance the budget, reform immigration or any of the other things they live to bitch and moan about? All they did was spend, spend, spend and then blame the next guy in line for all the shit they fucked up.

Because even though BOTH parties generally suck, the Republican party has NOTHING to offer whatsoever.

They are the party that needs to REDUCE voter participation, because they know that if the MAJORITY of people get to vote, they lose. They are the LOSER party.

They are the STUPID party. They are the party of greed and war. They are the party with NO PLAN and NO VISION whatsofuckingever.

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

and here you have the compassion towards others of a typical psychopath

son, you don't get it. you will though. You believe this fairytale. you'll believe it right up until we go over the cliff.

the spending is unsustainable. nothing else is really relevant. not compassion, not the wish for utopia, and certainly not your idiot one liners

Minte · 02-07-2014, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

I am keeping it in perspective. Obama only had the house for 2 years. He has had the Senate for 6 years. Meanwhile he's had 4 years of a Republican controlled House that's only goal is to make sure he can't get anything done.

Now compare that to Bush Jr.. He had 8 years in the White House, 6 years with control of the House and 4 years with control of the Senate. Yet he didn't cut spending and he doubled the national debt.

So tell me how is Obama supposed to work with the Tea Party whom even the Republicans can't control and are on the verge of tearing their own party apart? Bush couldn't even do it with full control of everything and you guys expect Obama to do it when he's up against Tea Party members that won't even work with their own party.

Look I don't think Obama is the Messiah, and I don't think all Republicans are all evil, but the Tea Party is fucking up this country, republicans can't even work with them anymore.. So how could Obama possibly have a chance?

No, you are simply wrong. The tea party doesn't have the votes to stop anything.
And look back 8 years ago.. I was as vocal about Bush remaining in afghanistan as I am about Obama STILL being there.

The big difference was that when we were involved in those two conflicts the country was not yet in a recession. And after 5 years of Obama,,the recovery if you can call it that has been far to weak to go into the hole for another 6trillion dollars. And that doesn't even factor in the costs of Obamacare.

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

I should have guessed when the CBO report on this hiring effect Obamacare will have over the next decade (which is a positive change for the country) Minte, Vendilla, 12Clicks...and all the usual Republican slime came in for this thread - Vendzilla saying he's a registered independent hahaha what a JOKE! And MR INDY Robbie - fucking false equivalence that the left press is just as bad as the right press - you guys are both too embarrassed to call yourselves what you are: Right wing fear mongers.

Oh excuse me Robbie - you're a Libertarian so you're even further right and your vision for the nation is ever worse and more ludicrous - at least Minte stakes his claim and admits he watches Fox and buys into the brainwash machine.

Vendzilla stop trying to sound neutral and objective - ANYTHING even SLIGHTLY negative about Obama thats reported in the media you come proudly screaming into GFY with a new smear thread - then you call smart people morons - you're a disgusting puke with zero intelligence - if you had half a brain you would look into this CBO report and realize that the net effect on jobs that Obamacare will have is a GOOD thing - unless you think that a pregnant mom trying to feed a family should have to work 60 hours a week to pay for health care... demand for labor will go up not down and no matter how Fox news trys to spin this thats a good thing - healthcare is a human right and in the future we will not have to ruin our health and eat cheap fast food and work 3 jobs to afford it.

Give it up you rightwing smear merchants - you LOST this one. Obamacare isnt going anywhere (and it's likely going to be VERY popular in a few years) no matter how much your shake your fat fists covered in cheap rings at the clouds...hahaha dumbfucks

more of the bottom chiming in.
the CBO says we'll lose 2 million full time jobs and obama's people explain how not having a full time job is good and you monkeys cheer.
Every time I stop by here and chat with the bottom I walk away shaking my head.
I simply don't know how Minte keeps it up.

arock10 · 02-07-2014, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Why does his wife need compassion?

Well, compassion is probably too strong of a word in retrospect. But again this was referring to 12clicks and his care for others. Empathy? Anyway you should understand what I was getting at...

Or not.

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You didn't complain the 8 years Bush was in office.. Obama didn't create 17 trillion dollars of debt. Bill Clinton had us on the road to recovery where it would of been paid, but Bush came in pissed it all away with two wars, tax cuts and $500 checks.. Yet let's Blame Obama whom inherited the problem..of both a out of control spending environment and a collapsed economy.

Why is it when Republicans had control of the Oval Office for 8 years, the House for 4 years and and the Senate for 6 years they couldn't manage to balance the budget, reform immigration or any of the other things they live to bitch and moan about? All they did was spend, spend, spend and then blame the next guy in line for all the shit they fucked up.

I've said many times that Bush's biggest failure was not cutting spending.

and as you're too young to have paid attention to what happened under Clinton, I'll explain to you that it was Newt Gingrich, grabbing clinton by the scruff of his neck and forcing him to balance the budget that had us "on the road to recovery"

Relentless · 02-07-2014, 09:23 AM

Spending is not a Yes / No proposition. Thinking that is most of the problem facing the tea party. They treat it as a yes or no, rather than focusing on spending better and being more efficient. Government programs are not going away. Taxes are not going away. Acting like that is the goal only makes it harder to achieve actual progress.

Something as simple as a National Sales Tax would likely be an idea that could be 'sold' to the American public across the board. 2-3% sales tax on all items excluding necessities (the same sorts of things States now exclude like heating oil and Milk). It would cause every consumer to pay a tax, all 100%, it would cause wealthy people to pay significant taxes on big ticket items... and it would lower the tax on people saving money.

Instead of pushing a sensible issue like that forward, the tea party is busy with nonsense like threatening not to raise the debt ceiling so we can default on obligations already on our balance sheet. Get past 'all spending is bad' and 'all tax is bad' - the message wont work. It has been tried and failed. Start actually proposing meaningful big moves to make the system more efficient and effective. People will but into that.

arock10 · 02-07-2014, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

No, you are simply wrong. The tea party doesn't have the votes to stop anything.
And look back 8 years ago.. I was as vocal about Bush remaining in afghanistan as I am about Obama STILL being there.

The big difference was that when we were involved in those two conflicts the country was not yet in a recession. And after 5 years of Obama,,the recovery if you can call it that has been far to weak to go into the hole for another 6trillion dollars. And that doesn't even factor in the costs of Obamacare.

The Tea Party is backed (though has lost some support) by billionaires with a huge political apparatus and if you go against them they will spend millions to primary your ass.

So no, the tea party republicans don't have the votes to block things (except when boehner says he wont vote for something that requires democratic support to pass), but all this citizens united fucking money sure does.

Minte · 02-07-2014, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

more of the bottom chiming in.
the CBO says we'll lose 2 million full time jobs and obama's people explain how not having a full time job is good and you monkeys cheer.
Every time I stop by here and chat with the bottom I walk away shaking my head.
I simply don't know how Minte keeps it up.

The winter is the slow travel time for my business. Next week I have some trips to take and then we get into the tradeshow season. I am here in the office a lot lately so I have time on my hands between meeting and phonecalls. But you're right. There are times these guys are exhausting.

Minte · 02-07-2014, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

The Tea Party is backed (though has lost some support) by billionaires with a huge political apparatus and if you go against them they will spend millions to primary your ass.

So no, the tea party republicans don't have the votes to block things (except when boehner says he wont vote for something that requires democratic support to pass), but all this citizens united fucking money sure does.

You said all that matters..the billionaires are on both sides.

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

Well, compassion is probably too strong of a word in retrospect. But again this was referring to 12clicks and his care for others. Empathy? Anyway you should understand what I was getting at...

Or not.

son, I give more to charity than you make in a year. voting for your government to spend us into oblivion is not compassion, its stupidity.
Pretending 2 million less full time jobs is a good thing is not compassion, its stupidity.

arock10 · 02-07-2014, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I've said many times that Bush's biggest failure was not cutting spending.

and as you're too young to have paid attention to what happened under Clinton, I'll explain to you that it was Newt Gingrich, grabbing clinton by the scruff of his neck and forcing him to balance the budget that had us "on the road to recovery"

Newt Gingrich the guy who liked the individual mandate and was presiding over congress when they proposed the healthcare alternative that was the basis for obamacare.

arock10 · 02-07-2014, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

son, I give more to charity than you make in a year. voting for your government to spend us into oblivion is not compassion, its stupidity.
Pretending 2 million less full time jobs is a good thing is not compassion, its stupidity.

I'm not the one with a reading comprehension problem, you are. Sorry

crockett · 02-07-2014, 09:31 AM

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Because even though BOTH parties generally suck, the Republican party has NOTHING to offer whatsoever.

They are the party that needs to REDUCE voter participation, because they know that if the MAJORITY of people get to vote, they lose. They are the LOSER party.

They are the STUPID party. They are the party of greed and war. They are the party with NO PLAN and NO VISION whatsofuckingever.

The Republican Party has always been the obstructionist party. It's what they do and yes it is needed to a certain degree. The problem is they haven't moved forward with the country and are stuck trying to relive the 50's where everything white was alright and we had big bad evil commies to worry about.

Now they just obstruct for the sake of obstruction and they wouldn't have a clue what fiscal conservatism is, if it slapped them on the face. They have lost touch with reality due to selling their party out like a cheap whore to get votes.

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

The Tea Party is backed (though has lost some support) by billionaires with a huge political apparatus and if you go against them they will spend millions to primary your ass.

So no, the tea party republicans don't have the votes to block things (except when boehner says he wont vote for something that requires democratic support to pass), but all this citizens united fucking money sure does.

The Tea Party may get some money from millionaires (better check the list of billionaires and their political affiliation before you look dopey again) but they are a grass roots organization of people who want lower taxes, less government, and less spending.
you know, exactly the opposite of what the societal leeches want.

Minte · 02-07-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

Newt Gingrich the guy who liked the individual mandate and was presiding over congress when they proposed the healthcare alternative that was the basis for obamacare.

There was money available then. They should have done something.

We were not $17t in debt..and the population was smaller and the lifespan of people shorter.

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

I'm not the one with a reading comprehension problem, you are. Sorry

oh, I'm sorry. now you want to pretend. I missed that.

12clicks · 02-07-2014, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

Newt Gingrich the guy who liked the individual mandate and was presiding over congress when they proposed the healthcare alternative that was the basis for obamacare.

so your now arguing about what someone LIKED 20 years ago because you can't argue about what they DID?

ok.

Rochard · 02-07-2014, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

no we haven't, dipshit. please stop typing. you have no idea what you're talking about.

"""In 1994, under the Clinton Administration, the Bureau Of Labor Statistics (BLS) changed the methods in which it calculated the levels of unemployment in the U.S. While the changes appeared to be minor on the surface at the time - the impact today is likely far greater than originally imagined. (for more detail on the changes read here)"""
http://stawealth.com/daily-x-change/...er-method.html

and please save the idiot speak you want to spew about unemployment under bush as a rising unemployment rate is far more accurate than the current lowering rate because the newly unemployed are all being counted.

If you are unable to debate or discuss a topic without calling people childish names, perhaps you shouldn't debate.

As I stated before, if you all believe we need to change the way we determine unemployment, then by all means let's do it. It's still not going to change a thing. The numbers will still be higher across the entire board. Maybe unemployment realistically hit 20% at the height of the recession, and maybe it's really 11% now - But the numbers are going to confirm the same exact thing... Unemployment is going down.

So you can huff and puff (and call me names) all you want, the end result is going to be the same. It will make the over all unemployment numbers during the recession look worse, but it will make the recovery look better. Yawn.

02-06-2014, 05:58 PM	#105
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02-06-2014, 06:35 PM	#106
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I've always enjoyed Rolling Stone magazine. Especially in the early 1970's when their political reporting really was impressive. That's when they questioned authority. The writers of 2014? Just a bunch of Democrat Party loyalists who don't question ANYTHING that the Democrats do. The press's job IS to question authority at every turn. Not just to pick "sides". Still enjoy Rolling Stone magazine. But there isn't any Hunter S. Thompson there now for damn sure. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

02-06-2014, 06:59 PM	#107
Relentless www.EngineFood.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,697	Robbie, The rest of rolling stone is hot garbage. Matt Taibbi is the most insightful financial reporter actively covering the subject presently. Why he writes for them I have no idea... But read his article and past posts. He definitely 'gets it' As usual, he is spot on with this one. The GOP could have made a valid point about creating more takers, and instead chose to make an easily disproven point about the CBO saying it caused less need for employment. Chasing false headlines instead of real solutions. Meanwhile the Democrats are so happy they can argue the GOP is wrong instead of dealing with the actual problem that they also aren't even trying to find a solution. __________________ Website Secure \| Engine Food ICQ# 266-942-896

02-07-2014, 06:21 AM	#112
Relentless www.EngineFood.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,697	Robbie, You are wrong on this. He rarely goes after politicians and when does, he attacks both sides. He goes after regulators and bankers often. He often helps the GOP by pointing out the argument they should make (like he did in this example). Read his articles. They are worth reading. Last edited by Relentless; 02-07-2014 at 06:23 AM..

02-07-2014, 08:58 AM	#127
adendreams Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LA and Florida Posts: 1,887	I should have guessed when the CBO report on this hiring effect Obamacare will have over the next decade (which is a positive change for the country) Minte, Vendilla, 12Clicks...and all the usual Republican slime came in for this thread - Vendzilla saying he's a registered independent hahaha what a JOKE! And MR INDY Robbie - fucking false equivalence that the left press is just as bad as the right press - you guys are both too embarrassed to call yourselves what you are: Right wing fear mongers. Oh excuse me Robbie - you're a Libertarian so you're even further right and your vision for the nation is ever worse and more ludicrous - at least Minte stakes his claim and admits he watches Fox and buys into the brainwash machine. Vendzilla stop trying to sound neutral and objective - ANYTHING even SLIGHTLY negative about Obama thats reported in the media you come proudly screaming into GFY with a new smear thread - then you call smart people morons - you're a disgusting puke with zero intelligence - if you had half a brain you would look into this CBO report and realize that the net effect on jobs that Obamacare will have is a GOOD thing - unless you think that a pregnant mom trying to feed a family should have to work 60 hours a week to pay for health care... demand for labor will go up not down and no matter how Fox news trys to spin this thats a good thing - healthcare is a human right and in the future we will not have to ruin our health and eat cheap fast food and work 3 jobs to afford it. Give it up you rightwing smear merchants - you LOST this one. Obamacare isnt going anywhere (and it's likely going to be VERY popular in a few years) no matter how much your shake your fat fists covered in cheap rings at the clouds...hahaha dumbfucks __________________ Aden - Your Content Shooter Superfreak ADEN CONTENT · HD Video · Ex-GF · Am Content · Pro Content · PHP Programming · Package Deals • Skype or ICQ available on request •

02-07-2014, 06:52 AM	#113
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,788	so the same guys who bang the income inequity drum are in day 3 of cheering the loss of full time work. amazing.

02-07-2014, 09:23 AM	#138
Relentless www.EngineFood.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,697	Spending is not a Yes / No proposition. Thinking that is most of the problem facing the tea party. They treat it as a yes or no, rather than focusing on spending better and being more efficient. Government programs are not going away. Taxes are not going away. Acting like that is the goal only makes it harder to achieve actual progress. Something as simple as a National Sales Tax would likely be an idea that could be 'sold' to the American public across the board. 2-3% sales tax on all items excluding necessities (the same sorts of things States now exclude like heating oil and Milk). It would cause every consumer to pay a tax, all 100%, it would cause wealthy people to pay significant taxes on big ticket items... and it would lower the tax on people saving money. Instead of pushing a sensible issue like that forward, the tea party is busy with nonsense like threatening not to raise the debt ceiling so we can default on obligations already on our balance sheet. Get past 'all spending is bad' and 'all tax is bad' - the message wont work. It has been tried and failed. Start actually proposing meaningful big moves to make the system more efficient and effective. People will but into that. __________________ Website Secure \| Engine Food ICQ# 266-942-896 Last edited by Relentless; 02-07-2014 at 09:28 AM..