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crockett

Politifact says this is mostly false..

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ll-time-jobs-/

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Minte

The simple solution to the majority of our country's problems is to tax the hell out of Chinese imports so US manufacturers can compete fairly. When that finally happens we will be able to pay people more and provide better quality benefits.

Until, then the middle class will continue to shrink.

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Vendzilla

I posted the most important thing to me, Jobs. If people don't have jobs, they don't spend money, if they don't spend money, they don't pay any taxes and the economy suffers.
I didn't cherry pick, I don't know where you see that. It also by looking at the graph on page 1 of the report that economic growth over the next decade will be flat.
Are reading the same thing I'm reading?

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kane

I agree. I doubt we will ever see this though. Too many companies like Wal Mart rely on cheap Chinese goods for the their business. They have a ton of influence and would never let this happen.

Vendzilla

You really don't see that what I posted came from their actual report, not what some place like politifact said?
Read the OP again, you are missing it because of your hatred of the GOP and anything I say against Obama, grow up!

What kind of moron says it's wrong when I posted from the CBO's website.

He believes it's wrong because he got info from another site about the CBO site
What a moron!!!!!!!

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

Agreed, I have said this several times, that Harley got the government to tax all heavy bikes 750cc and up till they could become competitive and they did. Then ending the special tax. Our government doesn't want to look at things that worked in history.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

What are you reading?, I posted from the CBO report itself!

Is that a goofy site?

Come on Richard, read before posting!

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Minte

The only positive I see on the horizon and it is happening now, but slowly is that the average wage in China continues to go up faster than wages here in the US. Someday in the future the wages should/could catch up. Take away that huge labor advantage and the Chinese don't have anything else to offer.

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Vendzilla

Just picked up my Visa's for China, going next month. It's going to be interesting to see what goods cost there. Only thing I'm looking to buy is some silk. We are going to a silk factory!

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think about that

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arock10

It isn't our fault that you can't understand what the CBO report says. We are just trying to say it in simple terms for you to understand.

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arock10

sounds good to me

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Rochard

We agree on something? Damn.

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Rochard

No, you read the usual one sided dribble and accepted it as fact.

You didn't read every page of that report and get all the to the end and picked out the one detail that could be spun in a bad light. You grabbed this from a slanted website that shares your point of view, and this website spun this off as bad knowing that everyone on the website will agree with what they said no matter what the truth is.

The report says the economy is growing, unemployment will continue to drop, and the deficit will continue to go down..... And if you read the report even closer, it says housing values will rise, the amount of money people will make yearly will rise, and the amount of wealth each person has will also rise. The more I read this report, the better it sounds.

You read a website this morning, it complained about jobs being lost, and pointed a link to a report you didn't read.

This is what's wrong with our country today. People read a paragraph on a website, its points to a report, and people just accept it as fact - without reading any of the report, which says the direct opposite of what you thought it did.

You did this with the Branch Davidian thread too. You said "Congress did a report that says people died from the gas" but the truth is you only read a paragraph of what one Congressman said, and the report said just the opposite of what you thought it said.

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Father: You don't need a skewl? If nigga no go to skewl, nigga no get a job, if nigga no get a job, nigga no make no money, if nigga no make no money, nigga no be able to afford BMW 7 silies nigga!

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Relentless

That's a bit silly Minte.

If China becomes more expensive, postnationalist corporations will simply move somewhere else that is cheaper. There will always be a bald spot on the planet somewhere due to famine, war, disease, overpopulation or whatever else and it's just as easy to have slaves put iPhones together in those places as it is in China. Waiting for Chinese wages to rise won't help. The only things that will help bring those jobs to the States are world wages rising (won't happen), protectionist laws with teeth (may happen), or developing our own bald spots here at home where people would be willing to work for Foxconn wages (look at modern Michigan)

directfiesta

gotta love vendz posting in a thread .... can wait to see his posts under a new prez

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Minte

Well you are wrong. No other country on earth has the population that China has.
As a US manufacturer I went through this with Japan..then Taiwan. It took under 10 years for both of those countries to get the majority of their population working and westernized.

And China has become more expensive. I see large US companies moving work back. The world uses more than smart phones and Ipads.
But it's going to take a while, and the Chinese will likely de-value their currency before they lose their edge in low wages.

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Rochard

It's not going to change; He'll still be Republican. He'll bitch when Hillary is President.

Some people put blinders on and it's horrible. It doesn't matter which side it is; both sides do it. The Republicans are bitter right now so they are a bit louder about it.

I didn't vote in the last election or the one before that. Give me a choice between Obama and Romney, I choose not to vote. Give me a vote between Obama and McCain, and again, I choose not to vote. I didn't vote for Bush, but I supported him through 9/11 and Iraq... But then he took a dump and all hell broke loose.

I can't wait to see who the Republicans bring to the table next round. You know they are planning. This is no longer about doing what's right, it's about planning how to win the next election. This is why Hillary punched all the right tickets to make sure she's qualified.

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Relentless

They will build factories on barges off the coast of every backwater island with exploitable inhabitants if it's cheaper to do so than to do the work elsewhere. Most of these forms of labor will be automated within decades, so they only need to figure out where to find slaves for two dozen more years before they can just plug some in anywhere they want and pay for electricity rather than labor. Pushing slave wage jobs back to poverty wage levels is like putting a band aid on wounds caused by a land mine and then striding forward with confidence through the rest of a suspicious open field.

There are more people than jobs. The number of jobs is decreasing rapidly. The number of people is increasingly rapidly. The aptitude required for the kind of jobs that require people is becoming much higher. The number of young angry people with enough aptitude to cause harm but too little aptitude or the wrong kind of aptitude to build a better life for themselves is growing fastest of all. This is a global problem on a fundamental level, based in technology and population... not political ideologies or geographical locations.

The fact that our political system is broken makes diagnosing or curing it impossible.... And the people benefiting most from the problem are the ones funding that continued dysfunction.

Vendzilla

Fuck dude, I quoted the CBO and you say I didn't understand it, how fucking high are you?

I bet you talk like this all the time you moronic fucking idiot

Republican or democrat, if I got a beef, you'll hear about it

One, I'm a registered independent
Two, please name one thing that Hilary can put on her resume as a good thing, don't look it up, but just name one accomplishment she has done?
Not the job titles either, just something positive she accomplished on her own!

If she becomes president, she'll hopefully have to deal with a republican house and senate so she doesn't fuck up things more than they already are!

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think about that

Vendzilla

I have to say something about this again, what the fuck are you bringing up my daughter for? Is it empowering you? Are you such a douche bag that you have to sink to that level to get noticed. Fucking grow up you piece of shit!

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think about that

Rochard

Sure sure.

You are a Republican through and through.

I didn't say Hilary did anything good. I said the punched the right tickets. She was a Senator and then Secratary of State. These two titles, plus her forty years of being a political operative for the Democratic party, is more than plenty to qualify her to run for President. These offices were selected to put her into position for a run to the White House.

Saying she "hasn't accomplished anything on her own" sounds like something a cry baby would say. But for heaven's sake, she was Secratary of Defense.

And again, this is more of the problem. "We can't get into the White House so instead we'll just cock up Congress and make sure nothing gets down and we'll just complain all the time". Seems to be working great for Congress right now.

I swear, we need term limits for Congress.

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bronco67

Ok, so you all realize this has been debunked as another conservative misreading/miscomprehension of something? If it's been announced by FOX and tossed around like piece of meat all day, it's a safe bet it'll be found to be a false claim, mostly attributed to a denial of facts, even when they're properly explained. They do it all the time, and some big boys followed them into the foot shooting party.

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kane

She was the first ever senator from New York to be selected to serve on the armed services committee where she did a lot of good things to help our veterans. She led efforts to expand healthcare for those in the reserves and National Guard and she did a lot to get money for veteran's hospitals. She also did a lot of work to force the government to look into Gulf War Syndrome.

I know these aren't necessarily things that qualify you to be president, but it is what pops into my head when I think about her.

arock10

Just cause you can't quote something doesn't mean you know what it means vendzilla. Sorry

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12clicks

As always, you read these threads and it becomes apparent why some are successful and most aren't. still cheering this administration at this point simply means you actually DO belong exactly where you are in the pecking order.

arock10

Sorry you regret working on roofs doing actual work all those years and have to keep reminding everyone how awesome you are in your own mind.

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Rochard

Sure sure, because, you know, everything about this administration is horrible! Unemployment is a blazing 6.7% and predicted to go down to 5.5% - that's disgusting being as we just came out of the worst recession in our lifetimes.

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Minte

My original statement, that forcing a competitive import tax on goods to level the playing field still trumps any theory about where imports come from. Vietnam, India, where ever.

Tax the products at port of entry. If China can get by on paying their people $no money per hour, good for them. Make it economically impossible for Fortune companys to send work offshore. Then the jobs will come back.

And I believe that will happen sooner rather than later. It has to happen.

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Vendzilla

Thank You for agreeing with me

Wait, I posted text directly from the CBO and you say it's a lie, are you this much of an idiot in real life?

You are the first person I have asked that can say anything positive that she has done, what does that tell use?

Sorry, but what the fuck are you trying to say?

6.7% unemployment is now considered a good rate? I see still blaming Bush while we entered Obama's 6th year of office. Please remember most of the going done is due to a shrinkage of the workforce?

Median wage is down
Poverty is worse
Record number of people on food stamps
Size of work force is down and according to the CBO is getting worse
And the fed is still pumping 85 billion a month into the economy.

Sorry, I don't see the sunshine

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think about that

arock10

whoops was on my phone.

Just cause you CAN quote something doesn't mean you know what it means vendzilla. Sorry

So just cause you can read the report doesn't mean you know what the report actually means. That is why there is confusion here, because you simply didn't understand it.

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Vendzilla

What exactly do you think I don't understand? I look at what I posted from the CBO report and I see that the work force percentage is decreasing and the economy is not going to improve any time soon. They have a graph on the first page about the economy, it's a flat line almost!

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think about that

Relentless

As a band-aid for a few years, a tax on items produced outside the US makes sense, so does requiring 'repatriation of assets' to prevent companies from keeping billions overseas and borrowing at home to avoid taxation as Apple and others have done. However all of that does nothing to manage the fact that assembling iPhones is something bots will soon do, along with just about every other assembly line job, shipping job and most other manufacturing work.

Let's assume your plan works as a given. The cost of goods will rise, wages will still remain essentially flat, executive pay increases, less people can buy the goods they make... and even the low amount these jobs will pay is still cost prohibitive in a few years when compared to buying a bot to do it instead. Your idea is better than the status quo. That isn't good enough.

Neil Degrasse Tyson was speaking on a show I watched recently and he made the point that when he was growing up, the country was focused on building a better tomorrow. The world's fair, the space race, the entire culture of American ingenuity was aimed at making the world and the country a better place for a better future to exist. I agree with him that the mindset of that era was the primary reason we actually did build a better future. Now we are locked into a 'what will work OK for now' mindset and it won't lead to a better a future... it may not even lead to a better next year or two.

It's time to move some of the BIG ideas forward.

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Rochard

I am not a Democrat. I can't stand Hillary; She's a ticket puncher who hit just the right jobs for a run to the White House. We don't need people like that in politics.

All of these issues you bring up weren't caused by Obama or the current administration, but before hand. You need to understand where we were before you can discuss where we are now.

Is 6.7% unemployment good? Considering we had topped out at well above 10%, yes, 6.7% is good. In fact, it's great. And according to the report you shared with us, it will be dropping down to 5.5%. This is great.

Median wage is down, poverty is worse, record number of people on food stamps.... Did you not see what just happened? You've been to my house; Half of the people on my street alone lost their house. People aren't worse off because of Obama; People are worse off because of the recession that happen before Obama came into office.

The work force is going down? Well, that's what started this thread.... The Republicans saw this, twisted this, and spit out false information. This was on the front page of the news this morning. Republicans are reading "two million people will loose their jobs". That's not true. Two million people who are currently in the work force ONLY because they need medical benefits will now no longer need to work because the healthcare act gives them better healthcare options. My wife is the perfect example - she works only because she needs healthcare. Now because of this healthcare law, she'll be able to get better healthcare without working and no longer will need to work. She's not loosing her job; She's choosing not to work because she won't have to. Others will be able to retire earlier.

At the same time, these two million people who no longer need to work for healthcare.... Will mean two million more jobs will open up, only benefiting the economy. What you think is bad for the economy is really a good thing.

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Vendzilla

I don't think the prices will necessarily rise, if they do, they will probably drop back down. What I think will happen is if we play by the same rules that foreign countries use, like we match all tariffs imposed on our goods, then things will change. The price of the goods we get from overseas will go up and manufacturers will look more to doing more domestic manufacturing. If tax breaks are given to domestic and taken away from foreign, things will change, it's about the all mighty dollar and nothing else.
Make it so that the more domestic a company is, the better tax rates it gets. I see nothing wrong with that...

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think about that

Vendzilla

Those people that will leaving the work force because of health insurance needs will now get government help, ok, so they will not being taxes and will cost the government more, how is this good for the economy?

Under Bush things got bad, under Obama with a 800 billion stimulus and 85 billion being pumped into the economy every month, things are not getting better.

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think about that

12clicks

did you high five your mom after this post?

12clicks

I'd talk to you about the millions of people who are no longer counted as unemployed but whom still don't have a job but you're clearly not bright enough for the conversation.

Relentless

If Chinese workers at Foxxconn make iPhones for $2 an hour, and American workers make the same iPhones for $10 an hour... that 8 dollars an hour isn't going to come out of the executive bonuses or the NCAA office basketball pool money. It will be tacked onto the cost of each iPhone and paid by consumers... making the phone prices rise. If you give 'tax breaks' to a company for hiring American workers you are paying them with money taken in part from those workers and effectively are reducing the wages of the workers being hired. You are shoving money from one side of the table to the other side of the table and then to the middle of the table and then to the corner of the table... but you aren't putting any extra new money onto the table and you aren't making a better table.

If you want a better table or more money on the table you need to move toward some of the BIG ideas that are always set aside. Crazy stuff like:

- Letting very old people actually die without millions of dollars of care to keep their blood circulating for an extra few months at the end of their lives

- Legalizing pot, ending the war on drugs and removing the profit motive from imprisoning people.

- Shrinking the COST of our military significantly (not the readiness)

- Improving our education system and fostering a culture that celebrates science more than touchdowns or psalms

- Greatly reducing the cost of higher education and of continuing education while tying it to expense of students rather than commemorative libraries.

- Add a ten cent fee for every share of stock traded to end high frequency trading and rampant market speculation crashes

- Lower all income tax rates and add a national sales tax

- Set aside Citizens United, publicly fund elections, decentralize mass media and put term limits in place

- Put single payer basic healthcare in place with supplemental private insurance or cash doctors layered over it.

- Quintuple funding of NASA and DARPA immediately.


These BIG ideas will actually lead to a better future. Protectionist tariffs on Chinese imports and tax breaks for companies willing to hire Americans are at best a tiny band-aid that will be very short lived and are likely to actually not help much at all overall.

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Robbie

Call me crazy... but lowering tax rates isn't paying anybody anything. The corporate tax should be zero.
I'm talking about simply lowering corporate tax rates...NOT govt subsidies.

When my tax rate is lowered it is ME keeping more of the money that I earned.
Amazing how the govt has so many people brainwashed into thinking otherwise.

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crockett

Seriously, dude what drugs are you on.. What ever it is you need more..

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Vendzilla

So you are ok with bringing up my daughter? In any conversation you have no right to bring her up in any conversation . You're on my ignore list, you will have no say as you do in life living in your van in front of your moms house.

Fucking low life is no better than a pedo for bringing up my daughter, Go Fuck Yourself Ass Hat!

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think about that

arock10

did you high five yourself after this post?

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Rochard

No, they aren't getting government help. They are getting healthcare. Which is what this law is all about.

My wife has a medical condition and must be covered by healthcare. Because it's a prior condition, the cost of healthcare is insane. She has to work to get healthcare. Now because of this law, she can get decent healthcare at a decent cost, and won't have to work. She isn't going to go on unemployment or food stamps, she just won't need to work.

Things didn't get bad under Bush. Things got horrible. Half the people on my street lost their houses. It doesn't get much worse than that.

Ten years and 85 billion is only the beginning of the solution. There is no simple fix for this. If McCain won years ago some of us would be bitching at McCain saying "Why isn't this fixed yet?".

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Rochard

Whatever.

We've counted unemployment the same exact way since long before I was born. Why should we suddenly change the way we've been tracking unemployment?

No problem, this is a simple solution. Let's go back and recalculate unemployment for the past twenty years, then we will have a level playing field so we know where we really stand.

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Vendzilla

I was quoting the CBO guy on the news

We will never know how McCain had handled it, so why bring it up, Obama is the one that won the presidency to fix the problem and is still spending 85 billion a month. People are still losing their homes

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that