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Robbie 01-25-2014 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 19957755)
All the gfy republicans seem to keep coming out and criticizing obamacare because of its relationship to insurance companies. But the current GOP stance while it involves some changes it is still the status quo of private for profit insurance companies running the show.

I'm thinking that back during the campaign of 2012 that Romney made some very good suggestions: Allowing people to buy insurance across state lines (more competition to lower prices) and to take on Tort Reform to try and lower the malpractice insurance rates that doctors pay (and also allow them to stop ordering unnecessary & expensive tests to cover their asses for the insurance companies).

In my opinion that is two things that should have been on Pres. Obama's short list right off the bat. But of course lobbyist's for the insurance companies are making sure that didn't happen.

arock10 01-25-2014 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19957766)
I'm thinking that back during the campaign of 2012 that Romney made some very good suggestions: Allowing people to buy insurance across state lines (more competition to lower prices) and to take on Tort Reform to try and lower the malpractice insurance rates that doctors pay (and also allow them to stop ordering unnecessary & expensive tests to cover their asses for the insurance companies).

In my opinion that is two things that should have been on Pres. Obama's short list right off the bat. But of course lobbyist's for the insurance companies are making sure that didn't happen.

I never understood why it's by state in the first place. Tort reform I don't know much about so I can't really comment on that.

But always I say the first thing that needs to be done is reserve citizens united and work on getting the money and lobbyist out of politics. Really the only way I see this shit happening the billionaires that are so rich it doesn't matter actually using their money to accomplish these things sadly. But again then they are still up mega corporations etc

Qbert 01-25-2014 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19957480)
I think before they can have an effective immigration reform, they need to close the borders...

How are you going to pay for that?

Robbie 01-25-2014 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 19957772)
I never understood why it's by state in the first place. Tort reform I don't know much about so I can't really comment on that.

Tort reform would cover a lot of stuff.

It's basically addressing the malpractice insurance that doctors have to carry. It's incredibly expensive and of course is passed on to the consumer (us) in costs.

And it leads to dumb things. Like our doctor can KNOW what's wrong with me. But he can't just prescribe me what I need and send me on my way. First he has to order whatever tests that the insurance company REQUIRES him to have run.

So I could go in with a severe headache for instance. The doctor determines that it's not a sinus headache. He KNOWS from his own training in diagnosis that it's a stress headache and he should prescribe accordingly. BUT...before he can do that, His insurance company FORCES him to send you to an expensive neurologist to run expensive diagnostic tests.
And then...and only then, after that all comes back negative...he can finally write you the prescription for the tension headache you had in the first place.

My example is way over-simplified. But it's one of the major reasons that health care is so expensive.
Many folks would have us believe it's because of people going to the emergency room at hospitals. But no...that doesn't have a damn thing to do with seeing your primary care physician and it costing a fortune.

Tort reform would make a huge difference.

But it's like trying to get politicians to address Social Security going bankrupt. None of them have the balls to do what has to be done.

tony286 01-25-2014 07:45 PM

Legal actions cost nothing in overall healthcare, that's just fuck the little people. As far selling ins across state lines Ezra. Explains it better than me.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...oss_state.html

Also they couldn't just start selling they would have set up contractts with a network of doctors and hospitals in that state.

Robbie 01-25-2014 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19957786)
Legal actions cost nothing in overall healthcare, that's just fuck the little people. As far selling ins across state lines Ezra. Explains it better than me.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...oss_state.html

Also they couldn't just start selling they would have set up contractts with a network of doctors and hospitals in that state.

Of course Tony.

It's nothing. Despite what doctors themselves say.

NOTHING can be done to bring down health care cost EXCEPT ObamaCare. The only reason health care is expensive is from people going to the emergency room (even though they always have before and it didn't drive up costs then).

You're right. Only the magical wise Pres. Obama knows the answers. And you will follow. Never mind other people's thoughts or ideas. They are meaningless. Especially if you can link up to somebody who agrees with Obama.

I don't know what I was thinking.
Of course doctors having to pay high malpractice insurance premiums that are passed on to us couldn't possibly raise costs. And of course having to be FORCED by the insurance companies to perform unnecessary expensive testing couldn't possibly be raising the costs!

That's all just bullshit put out by the EVIL Republicans to fool us!

It's just uninsured people going to the Emergency Room that causes ALL health care costs to rise somehow.

I'm sorry for being so foolish as to think otherwise.

EDIT:
Folks THIS kind of response that Tony gave is EXACTLY what the Democrats did when the Republicans TRIED to come up with solutions. And then they simply say that the Republicans DIDN'T have any solutions.
Yes they did. The Democrats just deny them.

directfiesta 01-25-2014 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19957644)
Not yet, Illegal aliens have rights in this country, why? Hell I guess because politicians want their vote!
California has already asked that illegal aliens be included in Obamacare
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgr...-to-obamacare/

You always quote '' opinions '' from conservative organisation ' disguising ' themselves as news ( David Horowitz Freedom Center ) .

You lose whatever credibility you have remaining ....


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