Obamacare was voted in when the right was at a complete minority. They had nothing to do with it. This program is 100% democrat. And that's not a point worth arguing over.

I don't understand your position. It's the law, the democrats won. Why do they now need help sorting it out?

I don't see it as bad luck at all. In fact, I feel very lucky that I'm the sort to assume responsibility for myself and do things such as eat properly and to exercise consistently. I'm healthier and fitter than dudes 1/2 my age, in spite of having a disease, more than 1/2 my age even.

Not to mention being able to cover the expenses. That hasn't always been perfect, but I'm the last person that thinks life on this planet should be or even could be fair.

:)

It sounds like you are one of those people (and it seems to be a growing number of them) that is right in that bubble of people who make too much to get the free health insurance, too much to get very much in the way of financial assistance in paying the premiums and yet not enough that you can afford to actually buy the insurance. That is one of the major flaws in the system.

I got luck. I fit right in that pocket when I am single so I only to buy for myself and I happen to live in a very liberal state so there were a ton of options. I literally had about 50 plans to choose from so the competition helped drive down the prices.

If I were married or had a kid or two that I had to add to it, then it might be a different story.

This is the perfect example of "lead, follow, or get out of the way". The Republican party has done everything to fight this from becoming a law, and even after it's become a law they are still fighting it. Instead of working to fix it or improve it, the Republicans want to bitch like little school children.

Do you think it might have anything to do with the fact that 56% of the population view obamacare unfavorably? Any chance of that..

In case this is a hard one for you.. 56% is more than half of the people in America.:winkwink:


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ealth_care_law

You really don't think that's in your future? I would be more surprised if it isnt. Government knows whats best for you.

If Obamacare really did collapse, you would be so happy you'd probably jizz all over yourself at the thought of those damn moochers not being able to pay for health insurance.

I have two college degrees; I can do the math.

What percentage of people have an unfavorable view of Obamacare because the Republican party continues to bash it every opportunity? (Are the death panels in place yet?)

My personal opinion of Obamacare has plummeted in the past few months. It has a lot of flaws, and was very poorly implemented. However, put a lot of blame on the Republican party - Healthcare for everyone should be something everyone in Congress should be able to get behind, but the Republican party fought it every step of the way. Instead of helping to create something they knew was needed AND knew was going to become a law, they put ALL OF THEIR EFFORT into fucking it up.

Congress needs to start doing their jobs instead of trying to beat the other side.

Yeah I noticed you never seemed to feel sorry for yourself, I don't know where you find the time for the exercise though, I spend 12 hours a day in front of my keyboard just trying to stay ahead of the bills with a beautiful beach just one block away :disgust

You are right I make a bit too much to get the handouts but not enough to comfortably afford the premiums.

I'm unmarried and got my insurance quote from coveredca.com and picked a middle-of-the-road plan, california isn't exactly a red state :winkwink:

From what I'm keep hearing on the "news" there are going to be more and more people being dropped from their employer's plan and onto the exchanges, if this is true then the number of people in my situation will be growing.
Like I said before 2014 may turn out to be an interesting election cycle :1orglaugh

That's exactly what I'm afraid of :helpme
Two truths about government and power,
1: government power always grows
2: that power will always be used

The federal government has now taken the power to force you to purchase something you may not want, that power will eventually be used again, it's inevitable.

If it left an opening for a law that was actually read by the people that signed it and above all, WORKED! Yes I would be very happy!

Enrollment period isn't over yet. Why would someone completely healthy want to needlessly pay for health insurance for more time than they need to?

George Bush was voted into office by a minority and he put us into two wars one of which he out right lied and twisted the information to get support. We went to war and while many Democrats did not support it and many were pretty pissed off they were lied to, Democrats didn't try to constantly short change the troops or play party politics with their lives.

Meanwhile tax payers are being screwed over by the right because they purposely turned away funding which would of helped them gain access to affordable health insurance. They made life harder on ordinary people just for party politics. How many of these people will die or have financial ruin come I to their lives because they couldn't afford to get the insurance that the medicaid expansion would have given them.

I do not need to read the other responses; you nailed it.

Lots of people will be signing up, when more companies drop Part Time workers....

I guess we are seeing the beginning of the excuses for the Affordable Health Care Act falling apart:

It's once again: The EVIL Republicans Fault

I think if Pres. Obama were to accidentally stumble in his bedroom...that would be the Republican's fault too.

It's unbelievable to me to watch how some folks are just blindly manipulated and won't open their eyes no matter what.

NEWSFLASH: The President "sold" the country on this as a way to specifically LOWER the costs of "healthcare".
It has risen sharply instead.

You guys can not sugar coat that. I've never seen such a rise in my insurance rates in the 12 years I've had it as I have over the last 2 years. And this year was the most it's ever gone up.

The President SPECIFICALLY said it was going to save every family $2500 a year in lower insurance costs.
Just the opposite is occurring.

But it's the Republican's fault because they actually warned people that this would happen in the first place????
WTF???

Is there no chance that Pres. Obama may have been WRONG just ONE time in the eyes of the Obamamaniacs?

I would think that the politicians who have distanced themselves as far away from this abortion as possible and also fought against it because they knew how bad it was...would be applauded.

But somehow, the hypnotized have decided that it's THEIR fault it doesn't work...because they fought against it!

Goddamn, Pres. Obama is good. Maybe the best I've ever seen in my lifetime at this shit.

Bingo.

And the fact that anyone in Washington thought that that hurdle was surmountable does not speak well of the collective intelligence quotient in our nation's capital.

And it's not just young people working shit jobs. Lots of college grads are gonna be strapped for funds well into their 30's due to student loan payments and such.

Bottom line: A law like Obamacare might have worked before the financial crash, but not in the middle of a quintessential jobless recovery.

Single Payer is the only way to go.

The answer is none,, The emergency rooms still won't be allowed to kick people to the curb.

Now you answer this. Who is going to cover the healthcare costs of the millions of illegal aliens in the US? I assume you consider their lives important too..

Umm I hate to be captain obvious but emergency rooms do not provide medications for a chronic condition. How about trying to go to the emergency room every time you need a chemo treatment if you ever get cancer. They will turn you away because it's not an emergency.

Do you honestly think people go to the emergency room for stuff like that if they can't afford insurance? No they don't, they go with out treatment and die. People that do go to the emergency room for treatments that could of been taken care of by a regular doctor if they had insurance fit the second part of what I said. They end up in financial ruin.

Illegal immigration? Really why is it people on the right always brings up illegal immigration at election time then it's never heard from again till the next election? All those farmers out there running their farms using illegals, you really think the guys running the farms are voting democrat? You think people from red states which a large part of them depend on farming income are really trying to do anything about illegals?

Get real... If you think that, then why is it when Reagan was president he did nothing about illegals? Why is it when Bush Sr. Was president he did nothing about illegals? Why is it when Clinton was president suddenly the right makes a big deal about illegals? Why is it the 8 years after Clinton was out of office and Bush Jr. Was president he did nothing about illegals? Why is it soon as Obama was elected suddenly illegals were a big deal?

Seriously., do you really think about what you say when you just toss out dumb right wing talking points?

You want to deny American citizens access to affordable health insurance because illegals might abuse it?

What he did was shove a bill thru to law with no partisan support, he didn't listen to the two bills the GOP had, he was an asshat for thinking he didn't need them. The potus is a rep for the people, not just the Dems. He didn't read it, the biggest lie for 2013 according to politifact was "if you like your insurance, you can keep it"

Obamacare was thrown together and is expanding at a terrible rate. It was poorly written and has nothing in it to cover the promises made to get it

Fuck, do you ever take off those blinders?

Exactly, it's all to blame on the democrats, the gop offered up their own ideas and were laughed at.

You are truly an ignorant fuck, illegals in fields? Only makes up 2% of the illegal aliens in the US.
Here in LA, Hispanics makes up 50%. I have yet to see any strawberry fields here.

I have to wonder how you can spend a hour a day trying to figure out how to turn on your laptop!

Hey Idiot! The democrats have a solution for illegal aliens
Legalize them so they can use Obamacare
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-obamacare-d/

Would you mind elaborating about your cost going up to $880? Did an existing policy increase or was a policy you found on the exchange more money? Did you check on the exchange? I'm curious to see what the experience was for you.

Personally, the end result of shopping the exchange has been great for my family. Our previous policy was $950 per month for 3 people. Deductible was $3K per person before ANY insurance kicked in at all. Everything preventative went towards deductible like regular doctors visits. We paid the negotiated rate however so I guess we got a bit of a discount with each service we had to access.

We found a platinum policy on the ACA exchange. The website was/is so poorly executed it isn't even funny. After nearly 3 exceedingly frustrating months, 4 separate apps started and restarted, and dozens of hours my poor wife spent on the phone we finally secured the plan for a few $100 LESS per month than our previous plan. Deductibles are $850 per person and we can go to doctors for a $15 co-pay and a specialist for $20 co-pay like people that are part of a group on an employers insurance. For my family, complaining about the exchange was not an effective strategy for hitting our goal of securing lower cost or substantially better health coverage, so we slugged along until we had success. I just figured that like most things in life if something was important for our family we'd persevere. If it wasn't, then we wouldn't.

bingo......

Sorry I missed this post this morning. I was pressed for time.

Two degrees? Let me guess... A Bachelors in philosophical nonsense and a Masters in bull shit?

Death panels? Is that like drywall with nails sticking out the wrong way?

When obamacare became the law of the land, republicans had no say in any of it.

I received a letter from Blue Cross/Blue Shield telling me that our premium was going up to $880 a month starting Feb.
I've had this policy since 2002

It's a good policy and has a $3,000 deductible.

A couple of months ago I checked the exchange here in Nevada (state runs the exchange here).

The "Obama Care" option that came the CLOSEST to what I already have was going to save me $20 a month on premiums BUT raise my deductible to $5000!

I was shocked to say the least.

I had listened to the President and Vice President give speeches about how happy American's were going to be once the website worked and we could see the low cost affordable insurance we were gonna get.

That is my experience.

Also, our doctors office told us (this was a couple of months ago mind you) that there was only one of the insurers in the "Exchange" that they were going to accept. They were still trying to figure out what is going to happen in the end and waiting for the dust to settle.

So I stayed with my original Blue Cross/ Blue Shield.

And just like a lot of folks around the country...my premiums have risen meteorically.

Hardly the $2,500 savings per family that the President sold this whole program on to begin with. :(

hahaha, just for fun:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-about-46-mil/

36million Americans uninsured when obama took office.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...on_733740.html

In fact, the CBO projects that under Obamacare over the next decade, the number of uninsured will never fall below 30 million. Here are the year-by-year projections from the report:

2013 - 55,000,000
2014 - 44,000,000
2015 - 37,000,000
2016 - 31,000,000
2017 - 30,000,000
2018 - 30,000,000
2019 - 30,000,000
2020 - 30,000,000
2021 - 31,000,000
2022 - 31,000,000
2023 - 31,000,000


yeah, lets get behind ruining the best healthcare in the world, spend trillions of dollars, and have as many uninsured as when we started.

were your degrees from clown college?

Yep, I'm not sure what the heck The Affordable Health Care Act is even in existence for.

It changes nothing in terms of number of people uninsured. It raises costs across the board.
And it's costing trillions of dollars. (even though the Pres. said it wouldn't cost "one thin dime")

I am starting to believe that it was designed to fail so that "single pay" could be ushered in.
This whole thing never made sense to me from the beginning.

I agree. I think they knew that they couldn't pass a single payer system so they pushed this through hoping for the best and assuming if it turns out bad they can always use it as an example of why we need a single payer system and push that.

This is step one of many on our road to that.

The only thing I see it helping are people who want insurance but aren't able to. Like for instance if you are a girl and weigh like 250pds, you aren't going to get accepted by blue cross.

But costs were going to go up no matter what. They always do, every year.

Yep, and that is what the Affordable Health Care Act was sold to us as a way to REVERSE that.

That was the entire premise of it when it was being rolled out.

Remember? Health care costs were the major thing that was draining the economy supposedly. And this was going to stop that and REVERSE it and make the average families insurance bill go DOWN $2,500

And I've never seen the costs go up so dramatically as they have now. :(

Honestly man you are way too easy.. I wasn't even replying to you and you go off the deep end.. See a shrink before you go postal.

A lot of those plans on ACA exchange have high deductibles but offer other things like doctor visits and prescriptions for small copay amounts. I'm not sure how close you looked but your old $3k deductible plan was a catastrophic plan. The other ones offered (what twin was talking about) offer new perks and not just male pregnancy help

It appears 12 clicks ran out of fingers and toes to count with.. Obamacare is now in the trillions spent he says.. lol

This is the fatal flaw in Obamacare. It was sold as way to help reign in costs yet it does nothing to do that. There is a big story in time about Obamacare and how it actually doesn't address costs at all. So really it is just an insurance plan, not a healthcare plan of any real kind.

Costs will keep going up unchecked and since there will be fewer people uninsured (in theory) those costs will then be passed on to the insurance companies which will then just keep raising rates.

Yet you as usual have nothing to reply with. I don't need a shrink, calling you an idiot is just fun!
If you have a problem with what I said, please reply with a rebuttal. If you don't have one, go fuck yourself.

I believe that what they were hoping for was that getting people that didn't need it to buy and not use it would pay for those that can't afford it.

This will not work, people that don't want it or need it will just pay the fine.

Billions are being spent in promoting Obamacare, where does that come from?

Hell, they can't even say for sure who wrote Obamacare!!!!
Still looking for someone that actually read it before voting to approve it
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancis...nt?oid=2161708

Your statement makes no sense at all, he said spend, not spent you ignorant fuck!