bennifits of obama care

[Grapesoda]

let's see..... my premiums went from $398 to $475, (not bad) the deductible went from $2500 to $5000 and the price of one of my prescription went from $20 to $85.46

[iSpyCams]

Well, just think of all the time you'll save now that you don't have to worry about how to spend that extra money!

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Well, just think of all the time you'll save now that you don't have to worry about how to spend that extra money!

yeah I guess I'll have to forget about that crack cocaine hobby I always wanted

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

let's see..... my premiums went from $398 to $475, (not bad) the deductible went from $2500 to $5000 and the price of one of my prescription went from $20 to $85.46

And from what I am reading this is actually a success story compared to a lot of people.

[crockett]

Don't pick the lowest plan..they have the highest deductible..to get a $5k deductible you are likely picking the bronze plan.. I do find it funny that it's always people whom are complainers of Obamacare that always have the higher prices.. Go figure.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

let's see..... my premiums went from $398 to $475, (not bad) the deductible went from $2500 to $5000 and the price of one of my prescription went from $20 to $85.46

Good, it is supposed to go up. You are subsidizing people that make less money so they can afford health insurance. My gf thanks you as her subsidy is around $60 a month

Personally mine went up $25, but I've gone from catastrophic to a silver plan

ps: health insurance is going up with or without obamacare

[dyna mo]

I'm finally insured! Although I haven't tested that yet, doctor appt upcoming.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

Don't pick the lowest plan..they have the highest deductible..to get a $5k deductible you are likely picking the bronze plan.. I do find it funny that it's always people whom are complainers of Obamacare that always have the higher prices.. Go figure.

dear moron: I got as close as I could to what I had... would have been another $250 a month or MORE to get the exact same plan... since I have a job, and earn an income, nothing is given to me . no discounts or anything. try and get a clue

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by arock10

Good, it is supposed to go up. You are subsidizing people that make less money so they can afford health insurance. My gf thanks you as her subsidy is around $60 a month

Personally mine went up $25, but I've gone from catastrophic to a silver plan

ps: health insurance is going up with or without obamacare

so I guess the 40K+ I pay in taxes a year was just a waste of money she's YOUR GF, not MINE, why don't YOU pay her health ins? at what point do I stop being punished for hard work?

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

so I guess the 40K+ I pay in taxes a year was just a waste of money she's YOUR GF, not MINE, why don't YOU pay her health ins?

because my 40k+ in taxes a year pays for other people's gfs ;)

Anyway, I'd rather have it going to healthcare then tanks

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

so I guess the 40K+ I pay in taxes a year was just a waste of money she's YOUR GF, not MINE, why don't YOU pay her health ins? at what point do I stop being punished for hard work?

It's better that you pay for it. I am sure they appreciate your generosity.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Minte

It's better that you pay for it. I am sure they appreciate your generosity.

pretty sure they don't. look how they live in complete garbage. no respect for anything

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by arock10

because my 40k+ in taxes a year pays for other people's gfs ;)

Anyway, I'd rather have it going to healthcare then tanks

yes because when the Russians and Chinese take over America or the drug cartels everything will be awesome. you'll be able to make a great living off porn and say ANYTHING you want in public forums

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by arock10

because my 40k+ in taxes a year pays for other people's gfs ;)

Anyway, I'd rather have it going to healthcare then tanks

btw if you went from catastrophic to a plan for $25 you're not earning either I guess

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yes because when the Russians and Chinese take over America or the drug cartels everything will be awesome. you'll be able to make a great living off porn and say ANYTHING you want in public forums

Mankind does have that war thing going on pretty much constantly. But it's a good thing to dream about Peace On Earth.,

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yes because when the Russians and Chinese take over America or the drug cartels everything will be awesome. you'll be able to make a great living off porn and say ANYTHING you want in public forums

I thought you hillbillies with your muskets would protect us from such a thing.

[dyna mo]

thread got weird(er).

[L-Pink]

What percent of Americans have signed up so far?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

I thought you hillbillies with your muskets would protect us from such a thing.

so you're on welfare too?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

What percent of Americans have signed up so far?

beasts me... I only think about Obama care when I get stuck with another bill myself

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yeah I guess I'll have to forget about that crack cocaine hobby I always wanted

Sounds like a health benefit to me!

[Wizzo]

So mine went from $525 or so to $1100 with Aetna for me and my 2girls. We've never spent anywhere close to $13K in a year for healthcare. So I decided to switch to another company that is only $629 but the plan won't start until Feb1st, so we actually are uninsured this month for first time.

I will say its a brilliant plan between government and the insurance companies to funnel billions upon billions of public money to private companies in the form of subsidies. To bad I didn't come up with that plan.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yes because when the Russians and Chinese take over America or the drug cartels everything will be awesome. you'll be able to make a great living off porn and say ANYTHING you want in public forums

Not sure what you mean here

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

So mine went from $525 or so to $1100 with Aetna for me and my 2girls. We've never spent anywhere close to $13K in a year for healthcare. So I decided to switch to another company that is only $629 but the plan won't start until Feb1st, so we actually are uninsured this month for first time.

I will say its a brilliant plan between government and the insurance companies to funnel billions upon billions of public money to private companies in the form of subsidies. To bad I didn't come up with that plan.

there's another aspect of Obama care that's not being mentioned too much... there is a bailout fund for any insurance agencies that lose money providing the insurance... this will be pretty interesting when that money starts getting passed out... don't you just hate being punished for being dumb enough to work and support your family?

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

so you're on welfare too?

Yes, because every non-hillbilly that doesnt have a musket gets free money from the govt.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

btw if you went from catastrophic to a plan for $25 you're not earning either I guess

$25 more lol. Went from $175 to $200

She received hers for $180-190 (silver plan again with dental) and then gets a $60 subsidy subtracted from that. Earning ~$25k a year, working part time while going to college part time

Sorry you are old and live in a more expensive state ;)

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by arock10

Not sure what you mean here

so your thinking is the Russians and the Chinese and the Islamic Republic of Iran don't take over America because they are just pretty cool laid back dudes, unh? go back to smoking weed my man

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Yes, because every non-hillbilly that doesnt have a musket gets free money from the govt.

must be nice

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

So mine went from $525 or so to $1100 with Aetna for me and my 2girls. We've never spent anywhere close to $13K in a year for healthcare. So I decided to switch to another company that is only $629 but the plan won't start until Feb1st, so we actually are uninsured this month for first time.

I will say its a brilliant plan between government and the insurance companies to funnel billions upon billions of public money to private companies in the form of subsidies. To bad I didn't come up with that plan.

This was the original conservative plan. I'm all for scrapping it, having basic free healthcare for all paid for by a tax and then allowing people to buy additional premium private insurance. You know, like most of the rest of the world

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

so your thinking is the Russians and the Chinese and the Islamic Republic of Iran don't take over America because they are just pretty cool laid back dudes, unh? go back to smoking weed my man

Ah ok the tank comment. Pretty sure tanks just sit in a warehouse these days. Drones ftw

[Minte]

Originally Posted by arock10

This was the original conservative plan. I'm all for scrapping it, having basic free healthcare for all paid for by a tax and then allowing people to buy additional premium private insurance. You know, like most of the rest of the world

Conservative plan...right.

Just as a reminder. From 2008-2010 democrats/liberals had control. Why didn't they do basic free healthcare. Like the rest of the world.

Rather they put this pile of garbage in place without even reading the law.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by arock10

This was the original conservative plan. I'm all for scrapping it, having basic free healthcare for all paid for by a tax and then allowing people to buy additional premium private insurance. You know, like most of the rest of the world

interesting concept...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by arock10

Ah ok the tank comment. Pretty sure tanks just sit in a warehouse these days. Drones ftw

hopefully the tanks will stay in the ware house and not be needed

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Minte

Conservative plan...right.

Just as a reminder. From 2008-2010 democrats/liberals had control. Why didn't they do basic free healthcare. Like the rest of the world.

Rather they put this pile of garbage in place without even reading the law.

look Minte, you work for a living... you have no rights

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Minte

Conservative plan...right.

Just as a reminder. From 2008-2010 democrats/liberals had control. Why didn't they do basic free healthcare. Like the rest of the world.

Rather they put this pile of garbage in place without even reading the law.

Democracy is a bitch (or lack of)?? But no idea. Get rid of citizens united maybe?

[Vendzilla]

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-plan-keep-it/

I'm lucky I guess, I live near a VA hospital and use them now, total cost last year was $260 for me. I can get on my Fiance's medical next year when we get married for nothing because her employer covers everything.

My best friend has had his insurance more than double for himself and his daughter with a large deductible.

As everyone knows, I have been against this since the beginning and I was right till someone proves me wrong. No one has proved me wrong, the only proof anyone has had that it's going to be a good thing was based on lies given out by the Obama Administration.

[Relentless]

People who had insurance are paying more and get only two benefits. 1 the caps on total out of pocket expense are much lower than they had been (chance of being bankrupted by medical costs is down quite a bit), and 2 a friend or relative you know is now getting to go to the doctor unlike before...

The ONLY system that ever made sense is single payer basic and private supplemental insurance. This is the first incremental step toward that eventuality. How fast we get there is the real question.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

it's going to be a good thing was based on lies given out by the Obama Administration.

It's good for me. YAY me!

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-plan-keep-it/

I'm lucky I guess, I live near a VA hospital and use them now, total cost last year was $260 for me. I can get on my Fiance's medical next year when we get married for nothing because her employer covers everything.

My best friend has had his insurance more than double for himself and his daughter with a large deductible.

As everyone knows, I have been against this since the beginning and I was right till someone proves me wrong. No one has proved me wrong, the only proof anyone has had that it's going to be a good thing was based on lies given out by the Obama Administration.

Wait wait wait you are saying you are lucky because you are getting healthcare.... Provided by the government???

Also the VA is one of the biggest clusterfucks there is. Something doesn't make sense here... Anti brand new healthcare program but you like the VA?

[Tom_PM]

30 million of your fellow countrymen that could not get insurance before can now.

The government won't say it, so I will.

THANK YOU for your contribution to the health of your country. Maybe it'll seem worth it in time.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

30 million of your fellow countrymen that could not get insurance before can now.

The government won't say it, so I will.

THANK YOU for your contribution to the health of your country. Maybe it'll seem worth it in time.

The big question though is, How could we have provided those 30 million with health care without fucking up everyone that was already covered.

All I hear and read about is how grateful those that didn't have insurance are, and how those that had insurance are either getting dropped or paying to much.

Seems the better thing would have been to address the problem of the uninsured and leave the insured alone. No?


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[crockett]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

So mine went from $525 or so to $1100 with Aetna for me and my 2girls. We've never spent anywhere close to $13K in a year for healthcare. So I decided to switch to another company that is only $629 but the plan won't start until Feb1st, so we actually are uninsured this month for first time.

I will say its a brilliant plan between government and the insurance companies to funnel billions upon billions of public money to private companies in the form of subsidies. To bad I didn't come up with that plan.

Funny that the one time the funneling of billions of dollars actually helps the poor people get insurance, people get all mad and complain about it to no end..

Meanwhile the same people never gave it a second thought about the funneling of money to defense contractors for either the Iraq war or Afghan war.. When Obamacare cost adds up to 5 trillion dollars please speak up because that's how much both those wars have cost us. Give or take a trillion.

[BlackCrayon]

"obamacare" is pointless as long as the insurance companies are still in charge. i am just a simpleton but it seems to me that there needs to be set prices across the board for all insurance providers and breakdowns of how these prices are reached. the pubic deserves to know what they are paying for.

like i said before the only good thing about it is insurance companies can't deny people based on pre existing conditions however if all they do is jack up everyone's premiums to cover the cost of these people, thats not going to work.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by arock10

because my 40k+ in taxes a year pays for other people's gfs ;)

Anyway, I'd rather have it going to healthcare then tanks

I agree that it would be nice to have more tax dollars going to healthcare instead of tanks.

Forcing everyone to buy insurance is just corporate welfare for the insurance industry because the AIG bailout wasn't enough. Insurance is not healthcare.

[seeandsee]

how do they calculate all that?

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The big question though is, How could we have provided those 30 million with health care without fucking up everyone that was already covered.

All I hear and read about is how grateful those that didn't have insurance are, and how those that had insurance are either getting dropped or paying to much.

Seems the better thing would have been to address the problem of the uninsured and leave the insured alone. No?


,

25% of the uninsured are small business owners and they are mostly just going to get fined. Big business is even exempt from paying proper fines, if they fail to provide insurance, but small and medium businesses are not. At least in the State of California, if your business grosses any remotely reasonable amount, you do not qualify for help, but it seems you can be fined for not being able to afford insurance. Medi-cal is based on gross and not net.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by arock10

Wait wait wait you are saying you are lucky because you are getting healthcare.... Provided by the government???

Also the VA is one of the biggest clusterfucks there is. Something doesn't make sense here... Anti brand new healthcare program but you like the VA?

You haven't been to the VA lately, they are organized far better than any healthcare system there is in the US.

I see the same doctor each time I go. She follows up with a secure email system. I can get refills on their website and they ship directly to my address. When I get an appointment for say 1 pm, I'm talking to the doctor by 1:15 at the latest.

Couple months ago, I had a really bad pain in my gut, I went to the VA. It's not a hospital there so they got me an ambulance in less than 10 minutes and they took me to a regular hospital. Everything paid for by the VA. Turned out to be a virus and I was better the next day.

Unlike what people will have to go thru because of government bureaucracy and Obamacare broken promises.

Obamacare isn't about healthcare, it's about healthcare insurance

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

"obamacare" is pointless as long as the insurance companies are still in charge. i am just a simpleton but it seems to me that there needs to be set prices across the board for all insurance providers and breakdowns of how these prices are reached. the pubic deserves to know what they are paying for.

like i said before the only good thing about it is insurance companies can't deny people based on pre existing conditions however if all they do is jack up everyone's premiums to cover the cost of these people, thats not going to work.

hard to control a free market with price fixing

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

25% of the uninsured are small business owners and they are mostly just going to get fined. Big business is even exempt from paying proper fines, if they fail to provide insurance, but small and medium businesses are not. At least in the State of California, if your business grosses any remotely reasonable amount, you do not qualify for help, but it seems you can be fined for not being able to afford insurance. Medi-cal is based on gross and not net.

having a small biz is very difficult for sure....

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

30 million of your fellow countrymen that could not get insurance before can now.

The government won't say it, so I will.

THANK YOU for your contribution to the health of your country. Maybe it'll seem worth it in time.

No, the private insurance companies now receive public govt. money to give 30million insurance and to also show a profit to their stockholders, the healthcare is secondary and most have pretty high deductibles. It's a bigger mess then before.