Joe Sixpack

200!

SleazyDream

carry on now

199 bottles of beer on the wall, 199 bottles of beer. take one down...

198 bottles of beer on the wall, 198 bottles of beer. take one down...

197 bottles of beer on the wall, 197 bottles of beer. take one down...

196 bottles of beer on the wall, 196 bottles of beer. take one down...

195 bottles of beer on the wall, 195 bottles of beer. take one down...

194 bottles of beer on the wall, 194 bottles of beer. take one down...

193 bottles of beer on the wall, 193 bottles of beer. take one down...

192 bottles of beer on the wall, 192 bottles of beer. take one down...

191 bottles of beer on the wall, 191 bottles of beer. take one down...


and soo on

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Joe Sixpack

Yeah... these days it's more prevalent in primary schools but not when I was there!

I did German at high school too but lost most of it.... except for:

"Ein Bier, bitte!" and
"Haben sie ein zimmer frei?"

Hehehe...

Joe Sixpack

You got a problem with beer, lard arse?

SleazyDream

ummmm, who's the one with the "PROBLEM" with beer again boozy?

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Joe Sixpack

Not me!

escorpio

That was what it was like in the U.S.A. 25 years ago. What to take? Really only necessary for college admissions. But now the choice is easy. LEARN SPANISH! I took German in school for a year in the 70's and can count to ten and say "Auf Wiedersehn" (is that hello or good-bye?) 26 years later. Never traveled to Europe, never used it, lost it. I have never had a Spanish lesson but speak it badly enough to keep a bunch of campesinos in a cantina laughing like hell and buying me beer and whores all night long! Now THAT is a useful language! Come to Mexico, Joe! Your $50 will last 2 or 3 days and hell, man, it's where the drugs come from! I can get a sack of weed in Mazatlan the size of a football for $10! When you roll a joint the PAPER is the expensive part!

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SleazyDream

nenile is the first sign of a problem.........

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Joe Sixpack

Nenile?

You sure you're not drunk Sleazy!

Groove

I don't suppose you have idea how widespread broadband internet access is in Mexico? And the costs?

bhutocracy

Japan really didn't figure too highly as a trade and business partner until recently..


hhehe without having been there I unfortunately never got to use that phrase the longest phrases I remember are
"ich habe einen Bruder und eine Schwester" and "wo ist the dome bitte?".. a shame..

escorpio

available in the larger cities..don't know about costs but who cares? think of how much ya'd save on smoke!

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Carrie

Outstanding. If GFY had pearls, this would definitely be among them.

Groove

ADL Colin

Great art is determined by the highest bidder ;-)

"Portrait of Dr. Gachet". Vincent Van Gogh. $85.2 Million Dollars.

Britney Spears CD. $16.99.

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ADL Colin

Joe,

We can go even further. How much of a perception does one gain from visiting Hollywood or Las Vegas? One might visit the US by hitting a few West Coast cities and never have seen Miami, New York, Washington, and many other places?

I think North Dakota sucks compared to Miami but they are both in the US.

I have been to Nice but not to Paris.
I have been to Barcelona but not to Madrid.

How much can I say I have a reasonable perception of France or Spain?

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Joe Sixpack

1. Any time spent in a country is better than none.
2. Obviously, the more time you spend in a country the better you are going to get to know it.
3. Walk the streets and talk to the locals. That's the best way to understand a culture.

Joe Sixpack

Tell me, why is "Portrait of Dr. Gachet" worth $85.2 million dollars?
Why wasn't it worth that during Van Gogh's lifetime?
Also, it is highly inappropriate to compare an original Van Gogh with a CD of Britney Spears. How many of those CD's were produced? There's only one "Portrait of Dr. Gachet".

Great art is determined by it's originality and influence, not it's price tag.

You Americans are simply incapable of keeping $$$$ out of the equation aren't you?

justsexxx

I'm not jealous at all. Not that I hate America, I like it(except Bush then)

But there are a lot of things I dislike in America. But I guess that's maybe because the main thought in US is different then the ideas we have in The Netherlands.

I would say, just be proud of your own country, and as long another country doesn't disturb your country respect the thoughts there. If we all did that, there was a much more respect and peace.

So now I wanna join Miss Universe

Andre

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ADL Colin

Because the buyer thinks it is worth it. Maybe because the buyer thinks the next guy will pay more. Prestige. "And this is my Van Gogh!" is always a cool thing to to say to people when you are showing them your house. Van Gogh paintings are accepted my many people as great art. Most people if asked who is a better artist, Van Gogh or Britany Spears will say "Britany Spears. Who's Van Gogh"? But seriously, most of his friends think Van Gogh is a great artist and so did Professor Willerby who taught that art history class he took in college. You know, that schedule-filler he took in his second semester in between Calc II and the Intro Geography course that was good for a science credit, "Rocks for Jocks". The writers of over-sized books titled "The Great Artists" also think Van Gogh is great. Van Gogh appears in books on art history. Dog Shit sculpture guy does not.

As far I'm concerned, Labret had the only answer on this subject. Subjective.

But "influence"? Christina Aguilera influenced more "artists" this year than Bach - though we may debate ther quality we'll still get bogged down in circular definitions. "An artist is one who influences artists". "A great artist is one who influences great artists". Definitely a problem.

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ADL Colin

Funny. All your trips to visit your family in the US haven't yet erased the blanket statements and simple thoughts you have regarding "Americans"? What
good has your travel to the US actually done for you? Shouldn't you have a greater understanding of Americans as a result rather than a lesser?

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ADL Colin

Joe,

Are you really so slow you can't tell the difference between humor and real debate?

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Joe Sixpack

Sorry, I thought you were serious.

bhutocracy

just reading a thing and was shocked by this :

A new Gallup poll shows that 48 per cent of Americans believe in creationism, and only 28 per cent in evolution (most of the rest aren't sure or lean toward creationism). According to recent Gallup Tuesday Briefings, Americans are more than twice as likely to believe in the devil (68 per cent) as in evolution.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im being non partisan.. i just kinda thought it would at least be the other way 'round.. I sometimes forget how conservative the US is.. (even when US shows like the "guardian" have guys arrested for seeing prostitutes and having to go to "john school" lol)

ADL Colin

That's the damned problem with messageboards sometimes ;-)

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Joe Sixpack

But it's TRUE!

It's a hallmark of your culture. All I see on GFY is:
"Post pics of your pad"
"What labels do you wear?"
"Post pics of your car"
"Which hotel did you stay at at XXXXX porn conference"

And it's ALL the Americans.

It's a national goddamn obsession. Not with everyone of course but there's this ingrained mentality in the USA that you must make more money than everyone else you know and have a better house and car than everyone you know. Maybe you can't see it because you're on the inside but IT IS there.

There's just not the same sense of competitiveness here.

ADL Colin

That's a good one!

I've heard that millions of people in some countries are officially Jedi Knights according to the latest census figures.

85% of the world believes in some sort of God. As an atheist, should I claim that the whole rest of the world is stupid? I'm still mulling that one over.

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Joe Sixpack

The idea that the world is 6000 years old is moronic.

So is the idea that the entire bible is to be taken literally.

ADL Colin

Hmmm, well, maybe you have a point there. ;-)

Though this is a porn BUSINESS messageboard and presumably everyone here is trying to make MONEY from it. People attain status within the industry based largely on their success within it. Cars and houses are an obvious measure of that success.

This would be difficult for me to judge. I don't have any poor friends. However, I grew up poor and seem to remember lots of people saying "money doesn't matter to me". They're still poor, of course.

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bhutocracy

Saying you are a jedi knight is obviously a joke.
Someone saying they believe in creationism is not.

it's not a matter of 85% of the world believing in a god, it's a matter of almost twice as many people believing in creationism as evolution in America - not outer skidmark witchdoctor Africa.
the figure is about 5-10% creationist here.
A lot of people believe in a god-guided evolution which is all good.. but we're talking 48% of people believing Noah had an aquarium in his ark for all the fresh water fish.

ADL Colin

I'm not sure who you are trying to convince.

Again, 85% of the world believes in some sort of God. I don't find the beliefs of ANY religion to be particularly enlightening. I don't find the beliefs of someone that believes in "Christ as savior" to be any wiser than one who believes that "Christ is savior" AND that believes the world is 6000 years old. From my point of view they both have effectively a 0% chance of being true.

As an atheist, should I claim that the whole rest of the world is stupid?

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[Labret]

So now only good art resides in a gallery?



Well no shit Captain Obvious. And why is that?

How many popular artists died poor and without recognition during their lifetime?

Their art was worthless then, but now its worth something? Why is Monet any better now than he was when he was alive?

Marketing. But we'll come back to that.



Since you like to defend Miss Spears as highly valued "art", we shall use her as an example.

Who makes most of the money off the Spears creation? Britney? Or the people who created her and the people who market her?

Your society rewards the people who convince you of what is good.

Again Mr Mort, since you seem to have overlooked it previous, say MTV discovers a little unknown widget and convinces you through advertising that this thing is the coolest shit since sliced bread. You and all your little buddies rush out to buy the widget like good little sheep, the widget is now uberpopular and the people who market the widget are billionaires.

Even though this widget existed for years before MTV latched onto it, was it without value before MTV "gave" it value? Using the Raider Mort theory, yes... the widget was without value because nobody liked it. But after MTV convinced you to buy it, now it is good.

You are told what to value Mort. You cannot think on your own.

You are a consumer at its finest. "If everyone likes it, it must good. If its expensive, it must be good."

Society rewards those who are best at marketing.

The porn I have produced may not be the best in my niche, but because I know how to market it, I make more money off it than someone with a better quality product simply due to the fact that I am better at marketing my inferior product. But using Raider Mort Theory, because I make more than him with my inferior product, I am still better.

And whats marketing? Convincing the sheeple that you have what they need.

ADL Colin

You ARE wise enough to see my post as a joke, correct?

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bhutocracy

I know you're taking the piss, but you're throwing mud on my incredulity!

Joe Sixpack

I'm not trying to convince anyone.

Blind faith in the supernatural is an intellectually unacceptable position. People believe because they NEED to believe... not because there is some compelling evidence to support their belief. That's where blind faith comes in.

ADL Colin

Ahhh, I get it now. This is evidence meant to convince yourself that Americans are the most stupid people in the world.

So believing that there is an invisible deity that knows your thoughts, that will reward you if you believe in him, that can answer your prayers and that created the Universe is wiser and a sign of greater intelligence than believing in an invisible deity that knows your thoughts, that will reward you if you believe in him, that can answer your prayers, and that created the Universe in 7 days a few thousand years ago?

All of it seems silly to me.

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[Labret]

ooops misread

but anywho... Im confused Colin. Are you trying to argue that Americans are not idiots?

bhutocracy

no nothing of the sort, take off the tinfoil hat and don't be so paranoid.. I literally read this article 5 minutes before posting.. it seemed relevant.
It's just talking of rising christian sentiment in America.. which is something handy to know.
people are stupid everywhere, religion has less to do with intelligence than it does environment.
I think you have mistaken me for someone who puts too much emphasis on nationalism or is insecure in his own country and could possibly think that reflects on them. Most Australians are idiots. I wouldn't assume we're any better.


anything that skips the fresh water fishtank on the ark seems more intelligent to me, at least it seems more open to changing what you've learnt and adapting.

bhutocracy

If you're interested:


Why the secular creed should heed those who keep the faith
March 6 2003

Liberal America's contempt for its evangelical counterpart is proving dangerously divisive, writes Nicholas Kristof.


Claims that the news media form a vast liberal conspiracy strike me as utterly unconvincing, but there's one area where accusations of institutional bias have merit: nearly all of us in the news business are completely out of touch with a group that includes 46 per cent of Americans.

That's the proportion who described themselves in a Gallup poll in December as evangelical or born-again Christians. Evangelicals have moved from the fringe to the mainstream, and that is particularly evident in this Administration.

It's impossible to understand President Bush without acknowledging the centrality of his faith. Indeed, there may be an element of messianic vision in the plan to invade Iraq and "remake" the Middle East.

Robert Fogel of the University of Chicago argues that America is now experiencing a fourth Great Awakening, like the religious revivals that have periodically swept the nation in the past 300 years. Yet offhand, I can't think of a single evangelical working for a major news organisation.

Evangelicals are increasingly important in every aspect of US culture. Among the bestselling books in America is Tim LaHaye's Christian Left Behind series about the apocalypse - about 50 million copies have been sold. One of America's most prominent television personalities is Benny Hinn, watched in 190 countries but few of us have heard of him because he is an evangelist.

Bush has said that he doesn't believe in evolution (he thinks the jury is still out). President Ronald Reagan felt the same way, and such views are typically American. A new Gallup poll shows that 48 per cent of Americans believe in creationism, and only 28 per cent in evolution (most of the rest aren't sure or lean toward creationism). According to recent Gallup Tuesday Briefings, Americans are more than twice as likely to believe in the devil (68 per cent) as in evolution.

In its approach to evangelicals, the national news media are generally reflective of the educated elite, particularly in the north-east. It's expected at New York dinner parties to link crime to deprived childhoods - conversation would stop abruptly if someone mentioned Satan.

I tend to disagree with evangelicals on almost everything, and I see no problem with aggressively pointing out the dismal consequences of this increasing religious influence. For example, evangelicals' discomfort with condoms and sex education has led the Administration to policies that are likely to result in more people dying of AIDS at home and abroad, not to mention more pregnancies and abortions.

But liberal critiques sometimes seem not just filled with outrage at evangelical-backed policies, which is fair, but also to have a sneering tone about conservative Christianity itself. Such mockery of religious faith is inexcusable. And liberals sometimes show more intellectual curiosity about the religion of Afghanistan than that of Alabama, and more interest in reading the Upanishad than the Book of Revelation.

I care about this issue partly because I grew up near Yamhill, Oregon, which has 790 people and five churches. My science teacher at Yamhill Grade School taught that evolution was false, and a high school girlfriend attended a church where people spoke in tongues (she was an ace student). In the evangelical tinge to its faith, Yamhill is emblematic of a huge chunk of Middle America that we in the north-east are out of tune with.

Moreover, increasingly it is not just Middle America, but Middle World. As Professor Philip Jenkins notes in a new book, fundamentalist Christianity is racing through the developing world. The number of African Christians has soared over the last century from 10 million to 360 million, and the boom is not among tweedy Presbyterians but among charismatic Pentecostalists.

One of the deepest divides in America today is the gulf of mutual suspicion that separates evangelicals from secular society, and policy battles over abortion and judicial appointments will aggravate these tensions further in coming months. Both sides need to reach out, drop the contempt and display some of the inclusive wisdom of Einstein, who wrote in his memoir: "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind."

The New York Times

ADL Colin

Of course not. I'm trying to argue that everyone is equally idiotic.

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Groove

Joe, I'm an Australian and I empathise with many of your concerns about US culture and politics. However you have tendancy to make sweeping generalisations which imply that all Americans are a certain way. Broadly speaking, I agree with the assertion that the US has more than its fair share of loud, arrogant, ignorant, materialistic, xenophobes. But to suggest that all Americans are like that is a bit like suggesting that all Australians are like Pauline Hanson. It's utter nonsense! And if I were an American I'd be offended by it. From where I sit I see you alienating many of the Americans who would otherwise agree with you and provoking the xenophobes on GFY to bash Australia. By all means criticise the US, but it might be wise to stop using phrases like, "Americans are...." These statements are NOT constructive! The simple fact is, Americans are as diverse in their character and outlook as Australians are

bhutocracy

but then he wouldn't win a DVD player.

Groove

LOL, Australia and US at war...

with each other

So Joe can sit in the post nuclear rubble and watch the DVD

Joe Sixpack

Yes, but it is possible to generalise about Americans in the same way it's possible to generalise about Australians... about SOME things. For example, it's not inaccurate to say most Americans are extraordinarily patriotic.

I'm basing my views on my own observations and I have never once implied that ALL Americans can be put in a particular box. I must admit that very occasionally I do go too far because I let some of the clueless right-wingers on this board get to me!

Joe Sixpack

Ha... that simply WILL NOT happen! Too many threads that are far longer than this one!

bhutocracy

I just wish people would rubbish Australia based on all the fucked things we've done, not on what they saw on that episode of the Simpsons when they were in Australia.. that way I wouldn't have to argue when Joe pissed people off.

[Labret]

ahhh but you must understand that its a fake neo patriotism. This rash of flag waving is only a result of 9-11. You didnt see nearly as much flag waving before 9-11.

Your average American patriot would not even be able to pass a 7th grade quiz on their own nation's history.

Its a blind unrational uneducated patriotism.

These people are idiots, they have no idea what they are even patriotic about.

ADL Colin

Oh, no. Everyone is becoming civil and beginning to make sense. I'm leaving for another thread.

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Groove

I agree that you can make generalisations about a culture. The point that I am making is that (whether you mean to or not) MANY of your statements sound like you're suggesting that all Americans behave or think the same way.

Joe Sixpack

That's because all the clueless right-wingers have left temporarily to run the stars and stripes up their flagpole and kiss their photo of George Bush good morning.