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LiveDose · 03-05-2003, 01:27 AM

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JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

You just don't get exposed to most film from other countries. Americans don't like movies where people have foreign accents! How many Australian movies have you seen? We make dozens every year but most of them aren't boring, shallow special effects driven piles of shit so that's why you don't see them.

B.S. I used to work in the film industry. I went to film school at UCLA. Americans don't dislike foreign accents. FAmericans are suckers for foreign accents. Go ask any of your Aussie brethren who've fucked their way across America. For fuck sake, I can't tell you how many chicks I know who melt in a second for aussie, english, or even french accent.

The reason foreign films aren't huge hear is the same reason that American indie films aren't huge: it's because of the studio system. Occasionally (or more than occasionally) an indie or foreign film does make it big, however, there is a universality of American films that make them popular all over the world.

Moreover, all these American films that people think are so American. I've got news for you. I worked in the film biz, and I can't tell you how much money for these films comes from overseas. French, English, Australian firms pour shitloads of money into "American" films to finance them. More movies than you think are majority financed by a foreign company, even though you'd think they're 100% American.

playa · 03-05-2003, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

People love your movies because people love shit. That's why they love McDonalds. That's why they love Eminem. You culture has done nothing but bastardise art. Your studio films are shallow. Your studio films are stupid and moronic. Essentially it is shit cinema. You can't see it because 90% of your culture is junk. You do have good filmmakers such as Martin Scorsese and David Lynch but they are a tiny minority.

according to american standards you might be considered gay

i don't think you dislike America

your just Anti-Globalization,, affraid of the west taking over your culture

MonkeyMan · 03-05-2003, 01:29 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

You shut the fuck up shithead!

People love your movies because people love shit. That's why they love McDonalds. That's why they love Eminem. You culture has done nothing but bastardise art. Your studio films are shallow. Your studio films are stupid and moronic. Essentially it is shit cinema. You can't see it because 90% of your culture is junk. You do have good filmmakers such as Martin Scorsese and David Lynch but they are a tiny minority.

Russell Crowe is in Hollywood because he loves the attention and the money like most actors. Your films aren't better, they just cost more.

So GFY!

You blow smoke so much you stick out like a sore thumb on this forum.

"G'day mate.... we aren't allowed to have guns and our crime skyrocketed, we cane peoeple, yet we know everything about how the world should be run. "

Pull the fosters can out of your ass.

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Originally posted by JeremySF
Moreover, all these American films that people think are so American. I've got news for you. I worked in the film biz, and I can't tell you how much money for these films comes from overseas. French, English, Australian firms pour shitloads of money into "American" films to finance them. More movies than you think are majority financed by a foreign company, even though you'd think they're 100% American.

Um... the majority of the income from the films goes into the american economy as well as the fact that all the people paid to work on the films mostly live and spend thier money in the USA.

playa · 03-05-2003, 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by MonkeyMan

Pull the fosters can out of your ass.

How do you say beer in Australian?

galleryseek · 03-05-2003, 01:37 AM

i will agree with joe on the fact that theres a bit too many shallow films in the US... i can't fucking stand these teen movies that promote materialistic shallow lifestyles. but the film industry KNOWS movies like that will bank hard because the large majority of youth in america are fucking stupid as shit. all so materialistic an shallow. ahhhh.

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by JeremySF

B.S. I used to work in the film industry. I went to film school at UCLA. Americans don't dislike foreign accents. FAmericans are suckers for foreign accents. Go ask any of your Aussie brethren who've fucked their way across America. For fuck sake, I can't tell you how many chicks I know who melt in a second for aussie, english, or even french accent.

The reason foreign films aren't huge hear is the same reason that American indie films aren't huge: it's because of the studio system. Occasionally (or more than occasionally) an indie or foreign film does make it big, however, there is a universality of American films that make them popular all over the world.

Moreover, all these American films that people think are so American. I've got news for you. I worked in the film biz, and I can't tell you how much money for these films comes from overseas. French, English, Australian firms pour shitloads of money into "American" films to finance them. More movies than you think are majority financed by a foreign company, even though you'd think they're 100% American.

Yeah well I studied film here in Australia. It's true that Americans like foreign accents but not in their movies. Why do you think they dubbed Mad Max with American accents? It's all about a nations comfort level. Americans are used to hearing American accents and they become uncomfortable when people in movies start speaking with an accent they aren't familiar with. They simply aren't exposed to art and culture from other countries because they simply aren't confortable with it. I'm not talking about everyone, just the vast majority.

Why do you think Americans have such a bad reputation as tourists? Because when something falls outside their comfort level they complain because that's what they are used to doing. When the ketchup doesn't taste the same as it does back home or when they don't get the same level of service they are used to it freaks them out. Middle America are scary motherfuckers and I spend a lot of time travelling so I see many of them. Nobody on Earth travels with more baggage then Americans because they bring the whole fucking USA with them.

American blockbusters are popular for the same reason McDonalds is. They are easy to digest and non threatening. But are they good? Rarely. The best American films are Indie films.

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by MonkeyMan
Um... the majority of the income from the films goes into the american economy as well as the fact that all the people paid to work on the films mostly live and spend thier money in the USA.

um, did I ever say a majority of the income doesn't go into the American economy? No. But, having worked in Hollywood, it was a truly international enterprise. Studios, banks, actors, actreses, directors, producers from all over the world flock to Hollywood. It is a very international business.

PerfectionGirls · 03-05-2003, 01:38 AM

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Um... all the income from the films goes into the american economy as well as the fact that all the people paid to work on the films mostly live and spend thier money in the USA.

Isnt capitolism a beautiful thing? You can make shit, make tons of money and be loved by the masses. Capitolism at its best. hahaha!

It?s called entertainment Joe... If we wanted a Rembrandt we would go to a museum.. not a movie theater.

Get over your high-browed self. lol

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by MonkeyMan
"G'day mate.... we aren't allowed to have guns and our crime skyrocketed, we cane peoeple, yet we know everything about how the world should be run. "

What the fuck are you talking about, moron?

Our crime rate has not skyrocketed.

You are an ignorant fucktard. Go back to your job at McDonalds.

Oh yeah... I'll have fries with that bitch!

escorpio · 03-05-2003, 01:42 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

So what's the last non-American movie you saw?

Love HK cinema, watching more Japanese films lately. See "Ichii The Killer" and "Battle Royale". Awesome movies! All my thick American friends love them! I havent' seen an Ausrtralian film since "Chopper." I understand he is quite the hero in your culturally superior nation. Good for you!

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 01:42 AM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

It?s called entertainment Joe... If we wanted a Rembrandt we would go to a museum.. not a movie theater.

Get over your high-browed self. lol

Sorry, but film IS art. Just as photography is. Just as sculpture is. Just as jewellery making is. Just as painting is. Just as music is. etc etc

I studied film for three years and earned my degree. Just because you're ignorant it doen't mean we all are.

LiveDose · 03-05-2003, 01:43 AM

GOT ANGER ?

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 01:43 AM

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Originally posted by escorpio
Love HK cinema, watching more Japanese films lately. See "Ichii The Killer" and "Battle Royale". Awesome movies! All my thick American friends love them! I havent' seen an Ausrtralian film since "Chopper." I understand he is quite the hero in your culturally superior nation. Good for you!

He's more of a cultural icon than a hero. Kind of like Al Capone I guess.

Gman.357 · 03-05-2003, 01:48 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Middle America are scary motherfuckers and I spend a lot of time travelling so I see many of them. Nobody on Earth travels with more baggage then Americans because they bring the whole fucking USA with them.

You've obviously never stood behind a Japanese tourist in the Las Vegas airport.

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 01:50 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

You've obviously never stood behind a Japanese tourist in the Las Vegas airport.

Okay I'll pay that. Americans and Japs are on a par.

BRISK · 03-05-2003, 01:51 AM

Just because Joe is an Aussie and you don't like him, thats no reason to bash Australia.

One person does not make a nation.

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Yeah well I studied film here in Australia. It's true that Americans like foreign accents but not in their movies. Why do you think they dubbed Mad Max with American accents?

I've got two words for you:

Spinal Tap

hehehe

now in all seriousness, have you heard of any of the following films which were huge success in the U.S. and most of the casts do not have American accents:

The English Patient

Four Weddings and a Funeral

Snatch

Amelie

Like Water for Chocolate

Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down

El Mariachi

Boys in the Hood

If you want, I can list every foreign film, or film with a non-American accent that was hit.

Quite frankly you're wrong. And, sorry, I never saw Mad Max dubbed into American. It was available in both. Have you been to France, Italy, Spain???? Foreieng movies are available dubbed or in the version originale. More often than not, foreign films in the U.S. are subtitled not dubbed.

PerfectionGirls · 03-05-2003, 01:56 AM

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I studied film for three years and earned my degree. Just because you're ignorant it doen't mean we all are.

Hey Joe.. I spent 7 years as the Principle Trumpet for the Washington Philharmonic while you were still picking the corn out of your shit. I studied music ten years (four of which were at the Eastman School of Music) before I was awarded the job with the Symphony. I taught trumpet at Eastern Michigan University from 1991 until this last fall as well as teaching hundreds of private students... some of which now have professional careers of there own.

I have more recordings of performances with the Washington Philharmonic then you are in years. Please spare me the speech on how "cultured" you think you are. Your trivial babble bores me to death.

I kow what art IS my friend.

BRISK · 03-05-2003, 01:56 AM

Boys in the hood didn't have american accents?

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Just because Joe is an Aussie and you don't like him, thats no reason to bash Australia.

One person does not make a nation.

here, here....Australia rocks. Joe blows aborigenes cock!

Just fuckin' w/ ya Joe.....you know it's all in good fun, don't you?

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Boys in the hood didn't have american accents?

that was a tasteless, very non-PC joke....

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by JeremySF

I've got two words for you:

Spinal Tap

hehehe

now in all seriousness, have you heard of any of the following films which were huge success in the U.S. and most of the casts do not have American accents:

The English Patient

Four Weddings and a Funeral

Snatch

Amelie

Like Water for Chocolate

Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down

El Mariachi

Boys in the Hood

If you want, I can list every foreign film, or film with a non-American accent that was hit.

Quite frankly you're wrong. And, sorry, I never saw Mad Max dubbed into American. It was available in both. Have you been to France, Italy, Spain???? Foreieng movies are available dubbed or in the version originale. More often than not, foreign films in the U.S. are subtitled not dubbed.

Boyz 'n the Hood was an American film.

I guarantee you that none of those other films grossed over $50 million US. That is not a hit. Unless, of course, you are talking about it being a comparative "hit" i.e. a hit for a foreign film. Most Americans feel comfortable watching American films. That's the bottom line.

If you studied film then that makes you a film buff. You are unlike most American moviegoers. You obviously have an interest in film that goes beyong plonking down your $10 and simply expecting 2 hours of bland entertainment.

escorpio · 03-05-2003, 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

He's more of a cultural icon than a hero. Kind of like Al Capone I guess.

I understnd he is the best selling author of several books.

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Hey Joe.. I spent 7 years as the Principle Trumpet for the Washington Philharmonic while you were still picking the corn out of your shit. I studied music ten years (four of which were at the Eastman School of Music) before I was awarded the job with the Symphony. I taught trumpet at Eastern Michigan University from 1991 until this last fall as well as teaching hundreds of private students... some of which now have professional careers of there own.

I have more recordings of performances with the Washington Philharmonic then you are in years. Please spare me the speech on how "cultured: you think you are. Your trivial babble bores me to death.

I'm impressed.......seriously........can I download any of your music?

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by JeremySF

here, here....Australia rocks. Joe blows aborigenes cock!

Just fuckin' w/ ya Joe.....you know it's all in good fun, don't you?

Of course man. You studied film, so did I. I'm sure if we ever met we'd have a great chat over a few cold ones.

BRISK · 03-05-2003, 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by JeremySF

that was a tasteless, very non-PC joke....

Aaaah...OK

Actually, I think Ebonics is more of a language than an accent.

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 02:02 AM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Hey Joe.. I spent 7 years as the Principle Trumpet for the Washington Philharmonic while you were still picking the corn out of your shit. I studied music ten years (four of which were at the Eastman School of Music) before I was awarded the job with the Symphony. I taught trumpet at Eastern Michigan University from 1991 until this last fall as well as teaching hundreds of private students... some of which now have professional careers of there own.

I have more recordings of performances with the Washington Philharmonic then you are in years. Please spare me the speech on how "cultured" you think you are. Your trivial babble bores me to death.

I kow what art IS my friend.

So what is your point?

Are you saying film isn't art but music is?

I didn't make a speech on how "cultured" I was. I just said I studied film for three years. You obviously know more about classical music than me and I know more about film than you.

So what?

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 02:02 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Boyz 'n the Hood was an American film.

see previous thread...........that was slipped in as a joke.....it wasn't an American accent....it was ebonics.

MrPopup · 03-05-2003, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by JeremySF

The problem is that people let their emotions get the best of them and they feel the need to attack someone else's (or everyone else's) country, and it just becomes lame. However, a good political debate, and even a little ribbing, is fun and worthwhile, as long as it is in good spirit. Unfortunately, many of these discussions have just denigrated.

i've been involved in one or two debates that have gone way beyond fun. hurt feelings and honest regret is all that developed out of them.

I had to take a step back and contemplate whether I was just buying into this crap and following everyone else...I was and I hate myself for it.

The world is turning against America because of the decisions of 9 or 10 representatives of the administration.

If the world ends tommorrow, I will know that those 9 or 10 people do not represent every other American. And even if they do, they are 100% entitled to their opinions and positions.

Humanity trancends the petty squabbling of one or two wackos on the global political stage (c'mon...both Bush and Saddam are fucked up...I think thats the one thing EVERYONE can agree on)

I can't influence peace in the Middle East, but i can influence the few people who might listen to what I have to say on GFY. Its not worth it to hurt business relationships or even hurt the pimpilicious world we all live in and share in here.

I almost thought about quitting posting here because it had actually become stressful...a battle so-to-speak.

No more.

I want everyone here to be RICH RICH RICH and everything else is secondary.

PerfectionGirls · 03-05-2003, 02:08 AM

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I'm impressed.......seriously........can I download any of your music?

Yeah... actually you can.. I know there is a reconding on Kazaa right now of a 4th of July concert we did on the Capitol lawn in DC. If you search Washington Symphony and Night on Bald Mountian it should still come up. I can email you a listing of some of our other recordings if you are interested in looking them up. I would be curious to see how many have made it to Kazaa. Most of my recordings were before CD's became big, but some of them have made it to CD now.

Dont be impressed.. it was a great job that I loved to have... Pretty much got to live my life long dream.

escorpio · 03-05-2003, 02:09 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

You are unlike most American moviegoers. You obviously have an interest in film that goes beyong plonking down your $10 and simply expecting 2 hours of bland entertainment.

Your generalizing and lack of REAL knowledge of Americans (as opposed to the stereotype) is staggering. EVERYONE I know has seen at least half the films JeremySF mentioned. A lot have seen them all. And I do not study film or hang in high-brow pretentious asshole circles. The big blockbuster movies you so deride Hollywood for making are not just for Americans. They are sold all over the world and the fact is the big action movies are huge in other countries.

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Boyz 'n the Hood was an American film.

I guarantee you that none of those other films grossed over $50 million US. That is not a hit. Unless, of course, you are talking about it being a comparative "hit" i.e. a hit for a foreign film. Most Americans feel comfortable watching American films. That's the bottom line.

English Patient won how many Oscars? And it made more than $50 million. Also, doesn't Lord of the Rings have English accents? Again, easily 50 million plus.

4 weddings and a funeral...again more than 50 million.

I think Snatch was pretty close to $50 million. Those Merchant Ivory films also do pretty damn well. And, I don't know how much Amelie did, but it did pretty well......

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Of course man. You studied film, so did I. I'm sure if we ever met we'd have a great chat over a few cold ones.

No doubt! Hey, I get very uncomfortable when people agree with me.

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by MrPopup

i've been involved in one or two debates that have gone way beyond fun. hurt feelings and honest regret is all that developed out of them.

I'm sure....I usually bow out once they're not fun anymore. I'm a very sarcastic and cynical person, so it takes quite a lot to actually offend me.

Shit, JoeSixPack spews anti-American shit all day long, but I don't take offense. I'll give him shit back, but it's all in good fun. How boring it would be if everyone agreed?

But, all those people who take things way too seriously, scare me......

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by escorpio
Your generalizing and lack of REAL knowledge of Americans (as opposed to the stereotype) is staggering. EVERYONE I know has seen at least half the films JeremySF mentioned. A lot have seen them all. And I do not study film or hang in high-brow pretentious asshole circles. The big blockbuster movies you so deride Hollywood for making are not just for Americans. They are sold all over the world and the fact is the big action movies are huge in other countries.

Let me explain something to you first of all.

The films that Jeremy mentioned:

The English Patient
Four Weddings and a Funeral
Snatch
Amelie
Like Water for Chocolate
Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down
El Mariachi
Boys in the Hood

are mainstream releases. All of them... with the possible exception of El Mariachi. All of them recieved a decent release. They ARE foreign films but they are still mainstream releases. That you and your friends have seen them does not surprise me.

But I'll bet you saw most on video or DVD.

And yes, blockbusters are made for worldwide release. So? I knew that. I never denied that. But McDonalds is sold almost everywhere but it's still shit food. Hollywwod cinema, by and large is still shit cinema.

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 02:23 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK

Aaaah...OK

Actually, I think Ebonics is more of a language than an accent.

I stand corrected.

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
Joe and Jeremy have one thing in common... They like to hear themselfs talk. They say alot of nothing, but its REALLY important to them. I bet they both long to see there names in neon lights.

Come on guys... youre both smart... Can you pick a topic that hasnt been hashed over 10,000 times in the last week?

If I hear anymore policitical propaganda out of you two I think I will puke.

That?s not true. I like to hear you talk!

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Yeah... actually you can.. I know there is a reconding on Kazaa right now of a 4th of July concert we did on the Capitol lawn in DC. If you search Washington Symphony and Night on Bald Mountian it should still come up. I can email you a listing of some of our other recordings if you are interested in looking them up. I would be curious to see how many have made it to Kazaa. Most of my recordings were before CD's became big, but some of them have made it to CD now.

Dont be impressed.. it was a great job that I loved to have... Pretty much got to live my life long dream.

Cool, I?m going to check it out. I?m yet another one cultured muthafuckin? pornographer!

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by JeremySF

English Patient won how many Oscars? And it made more than $50 million. Also, doesn't Lord of the Rings have English accents? Again, easily 50 million plus.

4 weddings and a funeral...again more than 50 million.

How can you take the Oscars seriously? Come on man, Titanic won Best picture!

I bet those awards is the sole reason The English Patient made over $50 million though. I'd still be ineterested in checking the actual box office figures.

And come on, Lord of the Rings, although directed by a Kiwi is a big studio film. Anyway, I preferred Peter Jackson when he was making Bad Taste, Heavenly Creatures and Brain Dead. True classics.

PerfectionGirls · 03-05-2003, 02:25 AM

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So what is your point?

L e t m e t a l k r e a l s l o w f o r y o u J o e.

My point is that you continually paint us into a culture less box. You paint yourself as this highly educated, world traveler that that frowns on anything and everything that is not from Australia

You also called me ignorant which without knowing me in the slightest is an ignorant statement in itself.

You?re right... I know more about classical music then you do... That being said... it is safe to say I know more about every type of music then you do. You might know a bit about film and that?s very exciting for you.... I can tell.

Keep in mind Joe.... studying an art does not an artist make. You can talk to me about your "art" in about 28 years... That?s how long I have been practicing mine.

You can bash our culture all you want man. Only ignorant people bash something they covet or don?t understand.

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 02:26 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

But McDonalds is sold almost everywhere but it's still shit food.

I agree...McDonald's fucking sucks! Thank god I live in Cali where we can eat In-N-Out Burger, which is actually food, not processed dog shit.

btw....Joe, are you on ICQ? If you are, add me to your ICQ....

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by JeremySF

I agree...McDonald's fucking sucks! Thank god I live in Cali where we can eat In-N-Out Burger, which is actually food, not processed dog shit.

btw....Joe, are you on ICQ? If you are, add me to your ICQ....

Added.

MrPopup · 03-05-2003, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

You can talk to me about your "art" in about 28 years... That?s how long I have been practicing mine.

yikes. you might even remember the Atari 400. even my keyboard today isnt spillproof...

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 02:29 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

How can you take the Oscars seriously? Come on man, Titanic won Best picture! I bet those awards is the sole reason The English Patient made over $50 million though. I'd still be ineterested in checking the actual box office figures.

And come on, Lord of the Rings, although directed by a Kiwi is a big studio film. Anyway, I preferred Peter Jackson when he was making Bad Taste, Heavenly Creatures and Brain Dead. True classics.

I'm not going to defend the Oscars. My point was accents!! That's what we were talkin gabout.

And, yes, Heavenly Creatures, I'm sure was ten times Lord of the Rings. Heavenly Creature was a great film!!!

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 02:33 AM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

L e t m e t a l k r e a l s l o w f o r y o u J o e.

My point is that you continually paint us into a culture less box. You paint yourself as this highly educated, world traveler that that frowns on anything and everything that is not from Australia

You also called me ignorant which without knowing me in the slightest is an ignorant statement in itself.

You?re right... I know more about classical music then you do... That being said... it is safe to say I know more about every type of music then you do. You might know a bit about film and that?s very exciting for you.... I can tell.

Keep in mind Joe.... studying an art does not an artist make. You can talk to me about your "art" in about 28 years... That?s how long I have been practicing mine.

You can bash our culture all you want man. Only ignorant people bash something they covet or don?t understand.

1. I do not frown on anything and everything that isn't from Australia. I love art from all countries.
2. You know more about ALL types of music than me but I only know a "bit" more about film than you. How very patronising.
3. I'm not bashing your culture. I'm bashing those who equate popularity with artistic value.
4. If I called you ignorant it's because I believe you made an ignorant statement. I may have been pissedoff at the time.
5. It's true that studying art does not an artist make. I never called myself an artist. But studying art did give me an undertsanding of film technique/film theory/film history that most will never have.
6. I understand your culture more than you understnd mine. This I guarantee you. Aside from spending six months in your country I was married to an American for 9 years.

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 02:37 AM

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Originally posted by JeremySF

I'm not going to defend the Oscars. My point was accents!! That's what we were talkin gabout.

And, yes, Heavenly Creatures, I'm sure was ten times Lord of the Rings. Heavenly Creature was a great film!!!

Yes but they were very Hollywoodized English accents.

VERY easy to understand.

If they were Cockney accents, well that'd be another story!

escorpio · 03-05-2003, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Let me explain something to you first of all.

The films that Jeremy mentioned:

The English Patient
Four Weddings and a Funeral
Snatch
Amelie
Like Water for Chocolate
Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down
El Mariachi
Boys in the Hood

are mainstream releases. All of them... with the possible exception of El Mariachi. All of them recieved a decent release. They ARE foreign films but they are still mainstream releases. That you and your friends have seen them does not surprise me.

But I'll bet you saw most on video or DVD.

And yes, blockbusters are made for worldwide release. So? I knew that. I never denied that. But McDonalds is sold almost everywhere but it's still shit food. Hollywwod cinema, by and large is still shit cinema.

That's the point I was making. Those films received decent releases and did well in America. We are not all a bunch of cultural yahoo morons waiting for "Pearl Harbor II" cuz that first one had some grat fuckin' explosions,man! And yes, I gotta cop to seeing a lot of movies on DVD. I mostly go see movies with my son. Which is why those crappy blockbusters make so much money. They appeal to that low common denominator the world over and can simply get more butts in seats. Even parents who would rather not be there. Like you said, good movies are being made. Just indepedently. The Hollywood studio system is not really the way to judge Art In American Cinema. The reason I fell in love with HK cinema about 8 years ago is because it was so much fucking FUN to watch stuff that did not always follow the formula I had become used to with American films. We HUNGER for this stuff!

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 02:42 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Yes but they were very Hollywoodized English accents.

VERY easy to understand.

If they were Cockney accents, well that'd be another story!

Well, if they were Cockney accents, mate, do you think any American (or Brit for that matter) could actually understand it?

Which brings me to yet another $50 million + movie, which was less difficult than Cockney to understand, but challenging for most Americans nonetheless.....Trainspotting.

The point is simple. You said Americans don't like foreign accents in their films. I am demonstrating that that is not true. I don't care if the movie was "commercial", your contention was that we don't like accents in movies and I disagree.

PerfectionGirls · 03-05-2003, 02:54 AM

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6. I understand your culture more than you understnd mine. This I guarantee you.

Well... Let me be the first to tell you Joe... Our "culture" does not center around Blockbuster and McDonlds. I hate to disapoint you.

Joe... people become artist so they can entertain and for teh love of there art.. I did not give a rats ass if the people who came to hear us perfom knew anything about my craft. My only hope was that they were entertained and maybe even moved by our performace. Most of them had no idea the years of effort and the mechanics that went into our performace. They just wanted to hear the music and to be entertained.

Thats how I view movies... I dont care about all the years of training or the writing or the "artistic" value of the film. I want to have a huge tub of popcorn and a Pepsi and enjoy the movie. Its called entertainment and I like it.

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You know more about ALL types of music than me but I only know a "bit" more about film than you. How very patronising.

Joe.. come on man.. Are you saying you learned as much about film while studying for "three" years as I know about music in my 28 years of study? If you can learn everything about film in three years it would explain the crap that us Americans are putting out!

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Aside from spending six months in your country I was married to an American for 9 years.

Six months.... wow man!! LOL I have been here forty years.. Also.. I had a Chevy Impala for 11 years.. I was with it everyday.. I drove it, changed the oil, waxed it on the weekends and fed it gas everytime it wanted it. You might say I was "married" to my Impala. However... Chevy did not call to offer me a job because of my extensive experience with one of it's models.

escorpio · 03-05-2003, 02:54 AM

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Originally posted by JeremySF

... your contention was that we don't like accents in movies and I disagree.

I'll watch a movie with an accent if there's some explosions and titties to make up for it. Throw in guns and monster trucks and hell, I might even read subtitles.

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 03:03 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

6. I understand your culture more than you understnd mine. This I guarantee you. Aside from spending six months in your country I was married to an American for 9 years.

Joe, are you saying that you can understand an entire culture by having been married to one? One person is representative of a 280 million person country? One could easily contend that you are projecting the unresolved tension between you and your ex on all americans.....

JeremySF · 03-05-2003, 03:03 AM

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Originally posted by escorpio
I'll watch a movie with an accent if there's some explosions and titties to make up for it. Throw in guns and monster trucks and hell, I might even read subtitles.

if it's porn, I don't even care if they include the subtitles.

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galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	i will agree with joe on the fact that theres a bit too many shallow films in the US... i can't fucking stand these teen movies that promote materialistic shallow lifestyles. but the film industry KNOWS movies like that will bank hard because the large majority of youth in america are fucking stupid as shit. all so materialistic an shallow. ahhhh.