Ukraine Protesting Vs US Protesting

[wehateporn]

[PornDude]

So, who is who?

[mOrrI]

Ouch!

top Ukraine
bottom US

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

на верхней фоте борец с къявавым режимом, вступивший в смертельную схватку со псами узурпатора
на нижней фоте кучка отщепенцев, пытавшиеся протестовать против демократических ценностей, но успешно отпижженая доблестными представителями правопорядка в рамках демократии и нииебической толерантности.

что-то давно Sid70 не видно в каментах, неужто танцует боевой гопак на евромайдане ?

[GregE]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

And to think there were a lot of people in this country who actually viewed the Occupy Wall Street types as dangerous anarchists

[sambucas]

It must be said that protesters in Ukraine want Ukraine to accept the EU integration demands under which Ukraine will have to cut a lot of things and in return EU will think about letting Ukraine to integrate into EU.

[CAHEK]

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by GregE

And to think there were a lot of people in this country who actually viewed the Occupy Wall Street types as dangerous anarchists

Some perspective

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

[Best-In-BC]

Its because the cops in the US have demoralized there citizens to the point they wont rebel

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Its because the cops in the US have demoralized there citizens to the point they wont rebel

It's because the life for the vast majority of people in the US is actually quite good, and when you have cable TV and plenty of food and decent place to live, plenty of cars, toys, money for going out, etc,etc, etc... You don't tend to get very violent. When those things go away, that will change very very fast.




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[bronco67]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

It's because the life for the vast majority of people in the US is actually quite good, and when you have cable TV and plenty of food and decent place to live, plenty of cars, toys, money for going out, etc,etc, etc... You don't tend to get very violent. When those things go away, that will change very very fast.




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If we didn't have those things, it would turn into Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome in 3 days at the most.

[anexsia]

Originally Posted by bronco67

If we didn't have those things, it would turn into Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome in 3 days at the most.

A lot of people in the US DON'T have those things .

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by anexsia

A lot of people in the US DON'T have those things .

Sorry, but that is not true. The average poor person in the USA has more square footage of living space then a MIDDLE class person in the EU, a car, a cell phone, and cable TV. The poorest people in the US are in the top 8% of the world's wealth.

Look at actual stats, not the hype.


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[just a punk]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

It's because the life for the vast majority of people in the US is actually quite good, and when you have cable TV and plenty of food and decent place to live, plenty of cars, toys, money for going out, etc,etc, etc...

LOL, what planet are you from, man?

Do you think that people in Kiev don't have all these things too? Are they starving? They have no cars, toys (smartphones, iPads etc) or there is no cable/IP TV in Ukraine? As about decent places to live, I bet you will get much more fun in Kiev rather than in your gloomy Miami (yeah, your beaches are cool and the Ocean is just amazing, but that's all fun you have there).

As about the money, so this is a thing which varies greatly from a person to another one. No money = no fun. But once again, in the globalized word, the money thing is also globalized. For example, I live in Moscow but I work in the Internet (literally everywhere in the World). If I move to some other city or country tomorrow, my earnings will be the same. Perhaps my expenses will change somehow (e.g. here in Russia I pay only 6% tax, I have a free medicine (don't need to pay for obamacare shit) etc).

[adultGeek]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Sorry, but that is not true. The average poor person in the USA has more square footage of living space then a MIDDLE class person in the EU, a car, a cell phone, and cable TV. The poorest people in the US are in the top 8% of the world's wealth.

Look at actual stats, not the hype.


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If people are relatively poor than others around them, they stay unhappy. They really don't care if they have more food and facilities than people in Africa.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by adultGeek

If people are relatively poor than others around them, they stay unhappy. They really don't care if they have more food and facilities than people in Africa.

It still doesn't change the central fact of this thread, which is that when the VAST majority of people are quite comfortable, then there is rarely any truly violent protests on any large scale.





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[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

LOL, what planet are you from, man?

Do you think that people in Kiev don't have all these things too? Are they starving? They have no cars, toys (smartphones, iPads etc) or there is no cable/IP TV in Ukraine? As about decent places to live, I bet you will get much more fun in Kiev rather than in your gloomy Miami (yeah, your beaches are cool and the Ocean is just amazing, but that's all fun you have there).

As about the money, so this is a thing which varies greatly from a person to another one. No money = no fun. But once again, in the globalized word, the money thing is also globalized. For example, I live in Moscow but I work in the Internet (literally everywhere in the World). If I move to some other city or country tomorrow, my earnings will be the same. Perhaps my expenses will change somehow (e.g. here in Russia I pay only 6% tax, I have a free medicine (don't need to pay for obamacare shit) etc).

I have been to Kiev twice, one of my best friends grew up there, and there are so many things incorrect in this post that the chances of finding common ground are obviously ridiculously small and a waste of time. Carry on with that world view and good luck!





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[wehateporn]

The Ukraine ones have been trained, they're pros, like the invading 'Rebels' in Syria

[nexcom28]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

на верхней фоте борец с къявавым режимом, вступивший в смертельную схватку со псами узурпатора
на нижней фоте кучка отщепенцев, пытавшиеся протестовать против демократических ценностей, но успешно отпижженая доблестными представителями правопорядка в рамках демократии и нииебической толерантности.

что-то давно Sid70 не видно в каментах, неужто танцует боевой гопак на евромайдане ?

I understood 1 word of that.

[klinton]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Sorry, but that is not true. The average poor person in the USA has more square footage of living space then a MIDDLE class person in the EU, a car, a cell phone, and cable TV.

oh come on, situation in EU is not that bad ;-))))

but comparing EU & North America's populations with rest of world - even poor people in America and Europe have more (ie: running water, 24/7 electricity/ etc) than people in Africa, South America and Asia....

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I have been to Kiev twice, one of my best friends grew up there, and there are so many things incorrect in this post that the chances of finding common ground are obviously ridiculously small and a waste of time. ha Carry on with that world view and good luck! haha





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You know it. CyberSEO is just a US hater, let him vent...

Looks like they are balling over there

1500 UAH actually sounds a little high for the "average" salary, but it takes many factors into account.ha

Government officials make a crazy amount of money compared to the rest of the country (~$3000/mo). High-tech people make the $300-500 range, many business people make good (unreported) income. But it also does not take into account the great number of unemployed, either.ha

Teachers make about $75-80 USD, not UAH, at the elementary level. That goes up to roughly $175 for a seasoned university professor or school director.ha

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Larry needs to visit Ukraine and spend some time there, before he listens to what the government censored papers say.ha

Unemployment and underpayment is a big problem, which is why nearly 14 million Ukrainian citizens have left to take jobs in Western Europe (many of them illegally).ha

Many people in Ukraine work "under the table", at least partially, which makes it nearly impossible to get accurate statistics on salary and unemployment. But believe me... Ukrainians do not "average" $652/mo (3000 UAH).
Source:
My wife was a professor there until recently, we lived there until March 2007, and my monther-in-law is still a school director there.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by CamTraffic

You know it. CyberSEO is just a US hater, let him vent

A hater??? No way! A don't-give-a-shitter maybe but not a hater for sure. The last time I've been to the USA was just a year ago. I love traveling that country (because of its nature which is very different to ours in both Europe and Asia). Furthermore, I'll told you a secret. I'm always visiting Miami, because I really love the Ocean/beaches there. Atlantic in Florida is as cool as Pacific sucks in California ;)

I love the USA as a country to travel (it has everything I need: an interesting and very different nature, very good roars and a quite nice transport infrastructure), but it's not a country I would like to live in for longer than two months (actually 2-3 weeks there make me miss my Homeland).

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I have been to Kiev twice, one of my best friends grew up there, and there are so many things incorrect in this post that the chances of finding common ground are obviously ridiculously small and a waste of time. Carry on with that world view and good luck!

LOL @ you dude

[dyna mo]

what's your point, op, that you're fucking joke and a dickhead?

you proved that a long fuking time ago.

uk protesting

[Sid70]

Ukrainians have the balls. That's the word.

[just a punk]

I do support all this Ukrainian movements towards the EU. Course the association won't make them a EU country (like Turkey, for example). The people there is used to live as a dependent nation (dependent on Tzarists Russia or Poland, dependent on the USSR on Nazi Germany, dependent on the EU and so on).

Course nothing will change there until they change their mentality, their laws, their attitude etc. On the other hand, that is their youth generation wants, so let it be. I'm for the truly renewed and independent Ukraine as a country. Enough being an appendage, sucking a mother's breast. Grow up and become really INDEPENDENT from anybody. Become a country with your own economics, your own army, your own politics etc. I sincerely believe it will happen someday.

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by ziggiziggicrew

на верхней фоте борец с къявавым режимом, вступивший в смертельную схватку со псами узурпатора
на нижней фоте кучка отщепенцев, пытавшиеся протестовать против демократических ценностей, но успешно отпижженая доблестными представителями правопорядка в рамках демократии и нииебической толерантности.

что-то давно sid70 не видно в каментах, неужто танцует боевой гопак на евромайдане ?

Смешно, блять, другое - я реально занимался в Универе народными танцами... хуле, телки ведь в ансамбле Вирского - вдувабельные.

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I do support all this Ukrainian movements towards the EU. Course the association won't make them a EU country (like Turkey, for example). The people there is used to live as a dependent nation (dependent on Tzarists Russia or Poland, dependent on the USSR on Nazi Germany, dependent on the EU and so on).

Course nothing will change there until they change their mentality, their laws, their attitude etc. On the other hand, that is their youth generation wants, so let it be. I'm for the truly renewed and independent Ukraine as a country. Enough being an appendage, sucking a mother's breast. Grow up and become really INDEPENDENT from anybody. Become a country with your own economics, your own army, your own politics etc. I sincerely believe it will happen someday.

errr...

it's hard to understand for anyone but me. In general, I believe, it may take years still to join the EU.

[mamaliga]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

It's because the life for the vast majority of people in the US is actually quite good, and when you have cable TV and plenty of food and decent place to live, plenty of cars, toys, money for going out, etc,etc, etc... You don't tend to get very violent. When those things go away, that will change very very fast.




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Sorry but youre full of shit.
Its call courage and it does nothing to do where the place you are living it. Courage is good,

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by mamaliga

Sorry but youre full of shit.
Its call courage and it does nothing to do where the place you are living it. Courage is good,

Too harsh, slow down, mate.

[mamaliga]

[seeandsee]

Its such shit in Ukrain because politics are trying to show how police is not beating that shit heads

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

Its such shit in Ukrain because politics are trying to show how police is not beating that shit heads

Mate, you need to put your shit together, I don' understand a thing ...

Anyway, it's how I roll

[just a punk]

[Markul]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

[crockett]

The problem with America, is that the people here have forgotten that the shit heads in DC work for us. Instead people have been conditioned to thinking there is nothing they can do. Occupy Wall-street was the closest this country has been to real protests in a very long time and overall it was non violent. Yet the US cops beat and arrested the people whom were protesting just for non violent civil disobedience.

Honestly I like my country, but real anti govt protests are long over due, more specifically anti police state/spying. It was a bit disappointing to see the govt crush OWS so easily. I was hoping it would spiral a bit out of control and be able to force the change that needs to happen. Simply put the citizens should not fear their govt, the govt should fear the people. That's the difference between the US and EU countries. In the EU the govt's are scared of the people, but that's not the case in the US..

It was quite ironic to see the US embassy speak out about the govt. cracking down on the protestors in Ukraine, when here in the US peaceful protesters were sprayed in the face with pepper spray then arrested.