This is from an official story believer http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...ro-sept-shame/

Jeffrey Scott Shapiro states, ?I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard.?

?Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building ? since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.?

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties? estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. This building?s collapse alone resulted in a payout of nearly $500 million, based on the contention that it was an unforeseen accidental event.

?A controlled demolition would have minimized the damage caused by the building?s imminent collapse and potentially save lives. Many law enforcement personnel, firefighters and other journalists were aware of this possible option. There was no secret. There was no conspiracy,? writes Shapiro.

again, clinging to the scraps of wtc7 12 years later and for what?
just to be right.

there are so many other current issues to focus on- nsa snooping, fukashima , etc, et al, on&on, yet conspiracy nutters need to find *common ground* by having everyone agree with them on wtc7 12 years laters.

for no fucking reason whatsoever.

It's a murder case, it's also the justification for the so-called war on terror, if these people aren't stopped and brought to justice they'll continue their crimes :2 cents:

do your family a favor and have a lot of booze for them when they get there.

so the US gov not only had to rig the building in secret without 1000s of people noticing the 1000s of holes being drilled and the 100-s of miles of wire, but also make sure that fire bounced off of another directly hit building, and then spread to WTC7 sufficiently to make it look like it was NOT actually a controlled demolition but a collapse of structure by fire :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I mean the 2 main towers falling from a direct hit by fucking planes was not enough news :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh so they undertake this incredibly complicated one-in-a-million chance of success commercial jet trick-shot where they bounce part of the jet and its debris and fire on to another building, hitting it just right, so as to cover the "controlled demolition" rig job and all this will amateur pilots with box cutter knives and a few hours flight training :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

oh come on LOL nobody can be that stupid or naive...

oh and what kind of demolition explosive is not heard by the 1000s of people standing around or in other buildings surrounding it? or what kind of demolition explosive does not blow out windows from the inside, in a closed building with every inch covered in glass...

this makes mission impossible seem like amateur hour by comparison :1orglaugh

There are people who still believe the government's version of events? Wow, talk about gullible idiots...

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...88401189_n.jpg

Files relating to numerous federal investigations had been housed in 7 World Trade Center. The files for thousands of Securities and Exchange cases were destroyed, though the SEC has said most of the important files were backed up or could be reconstructed. Salomon Brothers, a subsidiary of Citigroup, lost files later requested by the SEC concerning its connection with the WorldCom scandal. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission estimated over 10,000 of its cases were affected. Investigative files in the Secret Service's largest field office were also lost in the collapse, with one Secret Service agent saying, "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTC_7

Well, fuck, if it is on wiki it must be true

Who ever built Building number 7 did a shitty job.

Really?
 

Ok PEOPLE, one more attempt to set the record straight though I am almost certain it won't make a bit of difference.

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."


So let's take your interpretation that "pull it" means "blow it up".. ok if someone on the internet says that those two phrases mean the same thing then it must be true.. so here is the quote again with the appropriate substitution.


"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just blow it up.' And they made that decision to blow and then we watched the building collapse."

Does that make sense at all???

Now let's go with the Silverstein company explanation that "it" refers to the the contingent of firefighters working in and around the building. So once again let's replace these phrases and see what it looks like


"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull the contingent of firefighters.' And they made that decision to pull the group of firefighters and then we watched the building collapse."


Which statement makes more sense to you??


For those of you that still think WTC7 was only lightly damaged..

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jk5o-zmvMiM


Now about the whole PNAC New Pearl Harbor nonsense..

PNAC stands for Project For A New American Century - it is just a think tank like many others, and what you guys don't get is that government doesn't exist in a vacuum, there were many of us that do contract work for the government that were affected and totally aware of this think tank and it's philosophy.

In the late 90s there were two schools of thought on how much America should spend on it's defenses given the decline of it's cold war adversary the Soviet Union. The first proposal sanctioned by PNAC and most of the Republican hawks was to maintain the same defense spending threshold in to allow America to project power and dominance throughout the world. The other (more realistic) approach was to use some of the peace dividend to fund social security, pay off the debt, and spend just enough on defense in order to have the capability to fight two limited wars simultaneously. The latter won out and was adopted as policy.

These right wing think tanks were not advocating creating a new pearl harbor, they were trying to justify keeping defense spending at cold war levels with the absence of an arms race or a cataclysmic event.

now that's how a nutter does it!

make sense of one conspiracy by casually introducing in another one no one's ever mentioned.

all the while asking you if your well-thought out and researched view makes sense.


classic.


:1orglaugh

So govt files were stored there.

Which is evidence of what ?

So you are saying that the govt hatched a multi plane plot to destroy the twin towers and the pentagon so that some files in a low security building could be destroyed ?

Lets just imagine the meeting where this plot was hatched. (obviously they were sitting around a bubbling cauldron of chickens blood, waiting for the baby meat to cook.)

Plotter 1 : "So we need to get rid of this pesky Employment Opportunities Commission evidence. Why don't we break in at night and torch the place ?".

Plotter 2 : "Nah - that's far too risky. I have a better idea, lets create the largest most complex conspiracy ever known. All we need is four jet air craft packed with fuel and passengers and enough religious fanatics to hijack them. It will take years of planning, the complete secrecy of thousands of people, and mass murder on a huge scale. We will cause a huge quantum shift in the geo-political landscape, multiple wars, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents around the world, and if we are lucky nuclear Armageddon. What d'ya think to my brilliant plan ?"

To be honest you can really see why they did it. Every other option was far to risky.

And fuck me that's a strong case you have there for the "smoking gun evidence that had to be eliminated being stored in WTC7" theory; is that it ? "one secret service agent said".

Which secret agent ? To who ? Jeez. My 9 year old makes up more convincing stories. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:helpme

The correct substitution would be to add the word 'down' after the words 'pull it'

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it down.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."


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Date: January 9, 1996
TO: Vancouver City Council
FROM: City Building Inspector
SUBJECT: Demolition of Dangerous Building
City staff have contacted the property owner by phone to request that he obtain a demolition permit and pull down and demolish the building, however, the owner has demonstrated no desire to cooperate.

http://199.175.219.1/ctyclerk/cclerk/960116/a5.htm


Sept. 24, '98
Four executive members of the Atebubu youth association (AYA) have been arrested by the police
over the demolition of a building which was being rehabilitated for use as the office of the Atebubu town council.
Members of the association allegedly went on rampage and pulled down the building
because, according to them "as a swish building, it was not fit to be used as a town council office."
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePag...el.php?ID=4018


The next house erected in Seneca was a concrete stone building, put up by Downing & Stewart;
the latter soon after selling to A. M. Smith. Downing & Smith sold to L. J. McGowan,
who finally pulled down the building and erected the substantial stone structure in which Hazard & Sons now do business.
http://www.kancoll.org/books/cutler/...aha-co-p4.html

Gravity usually cause freefall. At earth.

If there's no resistance underneath, but WTC7 would have had resistance, this is why 1000's of Architects and Engineers are on the case :2 cents:

What he said.

is this nutter shit too !!!!

911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB (FORMER FBI CHIEF SAYS)



CBS Report On 9/11: Ground Level Explosion Caused WTC To Collapse




9/11 FireFighters - THREE Explosions After Plane Hit WTC



9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying

....and yet you want to give that same government control over your money, your healthcare, your education, the way you do business, etc, etc, etc, etc..... (i.e. most aspects of your life), and trust them to do all those things better than you can, without being self serving, corrupt, incompetent, having hidden agendas, etc....



Interesting dichotomy ....




:upsidedow


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libertarians never miss an opportunity to spout their *anti-everthing and everyone not a libertarian* rhetoric.

The conspiracy is simple. The Gubment new it was going to happen and let it happen. Thats it. they did not blow shit up.

Did it before and got away with it then did it again and will repeat it at least once more in the future.

no. It's just that the reason I became a libertarian is that I realized that I myself was defending things that I did not actually believe in, simply to blindly support one "tribe" over the other, (and the tribe changed a couple of times over my life), rather than stick with the things I knew were correct no matter which tribe espoused them. I feel that it's important to try to get people to think about what they REALLY believe and want in the world, rather than blindly play out this "our tribe vs the other tribe" mentality.


.:2 cents:

Nonsense.

Wind-whipped Superior wildfire grows to 2,100 acres as firefighters pulled

those aren't mutually exclusive. lolz

but that's not what happened here nor what i was referring.

dude posted this:


your libertarian retort to that:

When a lie is big enough people will believe it..

Same claim was made on the other buildings. But if you watch videos carefully, the debris at freefall outside the buildings falling core also fell faster. That's why no serious architects or engineers no longer are on the case.

NIST ?:helpme

As with operation Ajax in 1953
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php


National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudi.../faqs_wtc7.cfm

Freefall is not about speed, it's about acceleration, so just because some debris is falling faster does not imply that the building did not fall at freefall. The debris started falling first, though it had the same freefall acceleration it had been falling for longer so had reached a higher speed, that's what you're seeing.



There are thousands on the case, the number is growing every day. You would need to back up such a statement with a source otherwise people will think you've simply made it up.

Just because firefighters can be 'pulled' does not mean that buildings are not also 'pulled', if you listen to Silverstein it's clear he was talking about the building, otherwise he would have said 'Pull Them' NOT 'Pull It'

Why did it not disintegrate into fine dust? :upsidedow

This is too much explaining, imho :)
When I watched that video by Silverstein and when he said "they decided to pull" I without a doubt thought he was talking about pulling firefighting operation (because they thought they may not contain in + they did not want to lose more people).
Or is it only me who clearly understood that? Maybe its because I am not native English speaker and native speakers know other meanings, but for me it was clear that he was talking about pulling the firefighting operation. :2 cents:

Now that's a fire. https://youtube.com/watch?v=th2bnG_7UyY

this plus the fact there was not a single blasting cap or wire found.

PS wehateporn is a fucking weirdo.

And what deception was going on there?