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dyna mo 12-04-2013 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 19896499)
More pigshit. That is all you will ever get from this fucking clown.

of course. it was a silly attempt at a trap to begin with.

oh, let's all come together on common ground so i can school all y'all.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dyna mo 12-04-2013 07:11 PM

we've got real worldwide concerns going into 2014, see fukashima, but op still clings to wtc7. why? just to be right.

let's all gather round and get educated by a conspiracy nutter while we're getting dosed with radioactivity from the fuka nightmare.

makes fucking sense.

Penny24Seven 12-04-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19896490)
If it wasn't a controlled demo it should be slower than freefall :2 cents:

says who? The building burned for hours, they said fuck it just pull the guys out of there. It is not worth the risk after losing so many people already today.
This is like bitching about what kind of tires were on the car JFK was riding in the day he was shot and arguing over that.

SilentKnight 12-04-2013 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19896497)
yeah, see that's where you fall way short on your strategic going forward plan.

it's one thing being wrong. it's even worse being elitist and wrong.

:2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup

wehateporn 12-04-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19896497)
yeah, see that's where you fall way short on your strategic going forward plan.

it's one thing being wrong. it's even worse being elitist and wrong.

I'll confess, I'm preparing for the usual debates with relatives over Christmas, I want to see what you guys throw at me so I'll have the answers ready :1orglaugh

Please continue :thumbsup

MediaGuy 12-04-2013 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xholly (Post 19896369)
no it did not fall at freefall.

Uh hello... even NIST admits free fall now...

:D

theking 12-04-2013 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian837 (Post 19896507)
says who? The building burned for hours, they said fuck it just pull the guys out of there. It is not worth the risk after losing so many people already today.
This is like bitching about what kind of tires were on the car JFK was riding in the day he was shot and arguing over that.

That is close to the truth. Building 7 had a huge amount of damage done to one side and it was beginning to lean. Firefighters were talking back and forth about their fear of the building falling so the dicision to "pull" the firefighters out was made.

wehateporn 12-04-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 19896519)
Uh hello... even NIST admits free fall now...

:D

:thumbsup

This is why I expected some of the Official Story people to have joined us with at least that belief :2 cents:

bhutocracy 12-04-2013 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19896516)
I'll confess, I'm preparing for the usual debates with relatives over Christmas, I want to see what you guys throw at me so I'll have the answers ready :1orglaugh

Please continue :thumbsup

Hahahaha man I feel for your family. Them dreading having to endure you over the holidays and the annoying bullshit they're going to have to put up with as a captive audience of real people instead of the lonely soapbox mutterings thrown into a forum where you're not wanted that you have to generally rely on for attention.
Man.. poor folk. And you getting super excited about your chance to parade your delusions in the flesh and relishing in sitting in the topic like a stagnant fart while everyone else is trying to eat with one or two trying to politely spar after a few drinks with the crazy cousin/uncle as it's the only way to glean some enjoyment out of the unfortunate situation.
lol PLANNING the family Christmas conversation.. What a sad, sad, lonely, pathetic ghost of a life.

MediaGuy 12-04-2013 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 19896528)
That is close to the truth. Building 7 had a huge amount of damage done to one side and it was beginning to lean. Firefighters were talking back and forth about their fear of the building falling so the dicision to "pull" the firefighters out was made.

Uh hello... there were no firefighters in the building to "pull" for hours before the collapse...

:D

SilentKnight 12-04-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19896516)
I'll confess, I'm preparing for the usual debates with relatives over Christmas, I want to see what you guys throw at me so I'll have the answers ready :1orglaugh

Please continue :thumbsup

Fiddy freefalls.

When relatives make constant trips to the kitchen for 'more wine' - its a polite excuse to laugh behind the door.

baddog 12-04-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xholly (Post 19896410)
are we all agreed that op has shit for brains?

just looking for some common ground here

I doubt you will find much argument with that assessment.

wehateporn 12-04-2013 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 19896539)
When relatives make constant trips to the kitchen for 'more wine' - its a polite excuse to laugh behind the door.

It used to be like that, but they're slowly coming round, loads are anti-vax now after me chipping away at them all these years :2 cents:

theking 12-04-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 19896538)
Uh hello... there were no firefighters in the building to "pull" for hours before the collapse...

:D

Exactly...they had all been "pulled" before the building collapsed. Their conversations about the damage that was done...and the building leaning are all tape recorded. There are photographs showing the hugh gash in the side of the building leading down to one corner of the building. If I remember correctly it was a gash 18 floors long.

Minte 12-04-2013 08:01 PM

Introduction to Free Fall

A free falling object is an object that is falling under the sole influence of gravity. Any object that is being acted upon only by the force of gravity is said to be in a state of free fall. There are two important motion characteristics that are true of free-falling objects:
•Free-falling objects do not encounter air resistance.
•All free-falling objects (on Earth) accelerate downwards at a rate of 9.8 m/s/s (often approximated as 10 m/s/s for back-of-the-envelope calculations)


There is nothing in that video that even resembles free fall.

mikesinner 12-04-2013 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19896543)
It used to be like that, but they're slowly coming round, loads are anti-vax now after me chipping away at them all these years :2 cents:

You're a fruitcake.

theking 12-04-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19896543)
It used to be like that, but they're slowly coming round, loads are anti-vax now after me chipping away at them all these years :2 cents:

I doubt that your chipping away has had anything but a negative affect...and even if some are slowly coming round to your way of thinking you should be ashamed for adding more idiots to the population.

baddog 12-04-2013 08:24 PM

I am surprised the relatives go through the trouble of going anywhere the OP is; I know I'd find something better to do, like pick the fleas off rabid raccoons.

_Richard_ 12-04-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 19896445)
Richard - curious about your thoughts on this:



considering he managed to win 861 million on an insurance settlement, i bet he was talking about firefighters.

theking 12-04-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19896559)
I am surprised the relatives go through the trouble of going anywhere the OP is; I know I'd find something better to do, like pick the fleas off rabid raccoons.

Well his appearance probably makes it more of a religious day for them...because when he shows up I am certain they say "Oh my God"...but then again it could be "Goddammit".

JockoHomo 12-04-2013 08:41 PM

People want to believe that their government is all knowing and looking out for them...just as God.

People still believe in that pigshit religion despite the obvious and overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Do you really think that the majority of idiots will ever accept that their government is against them?

NO

bhutocracy 12-04-2013 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JockoHomo (Post 19896575)
People want to believe that their government is all knowing and looking out for them...just as God.

People still believe in that pigshit religion despite the obvious and overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Do you really think that the majority of idiots will ever accept that their government is against them?

NO

Whoah whoah whoah.. You've got it completely and utterly ass backwards. Normal rational people think government is somewhat ineffectual, doesn't live up to it's promises, is often well meaning but also corrupt and compromised.

In the "rational corner" we have hundreds of displays of the government being inept and myopic.. fucking take your pick from the Obamacare website to the Hurricane Katrina emergency response to weapons of mass destruction.

Rational people think the government is inept, it's the conspiracy nutjobs that think the government is God. It's the nutjobs that think a government that can spend hundreds of millions on a healthcare website that doesn't work and can't keep a presidential blow job secret can rig 3 buildings with explosives over months with a team of 50 people without tens of thousands of people noticing and have nothing leak - A godlike government literally causing ACTS OF GOD with haarp induced earthquakes!

LOL clueless. Conspiracies are literally a religion - it's a way of giving meaning to the largely random acts in our world and replacing a sky daddy with a smoke filled room daddy that pulls all the strings and makes things happen. No problem with individual conspiracies but it's a religion to the 9/11+haarp+contrails+SandyHook+ANYTHING THATHAPPENSATALL crowd. It's the rabbit hole. It's like their naive mind is blown the first time they learn not everything is as it seems and they flip out and go the other extreme and for example, can't immediately tell David Icke is a raving tard or raking in cash from gullible conspirasheeple.

NewNick 12-05-2013 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 19896538)
Uh hello... there were no firefighters in the building to "pull" for hours before the collapse...

:D

Cos you were there right ?

The real question in all of this is why ?

If you believe the crackpot falseflag bullshit - then you have a motive for 9/11, but what was the motive for WTC7 ?

Was the flag of destroying the twin towers not false enough ?

wehateporn 12-05-2013 03:45 AM

There was evidence and investigations in WTC7 which needed to be destroyed :2 cents:


Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19896814)
If you believe the crackpot falseflag bullshit - then you have a motive for 9/11, but what was the motive for WTC7 ?

Was the flag of destroying the twin towers not false enough ?


wehateporn 12-05-2013 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19896559)
I am surprised the relatives go through the trouble of going anywhere the OP is; I know I'd find something better to do, like pick the fleas off rabid raccoons.

I'm quite a helpful chap at times, they are grateful that I opened their eyes to the reality of vaccines :2 cents:

wehateporn 12-05-2013 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19896548)
Introduction to Free Fall

A free falling object is an object that is falling under the sole influence of gravity. Any object that is being acted upon only by the force of gravity is said to be in a state of free fall. There are two important motion characteristics that are true of free-falling objects:
?Free-falling objects do not encounter air resistance.
?All free-falling objects (on Earth) accelerate downwards at a rate of 9.8 m/s/s (often approximated as 10 m/s/s for back-of-the-envelope calculations)


There is nothing in that video that even resembles free fall.

The timing shows that WTC7 fell at freefall :2 cents:

NewNick 12-05-2013 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19896816)
There was evidence and investigations in WTC7 which needed to be destroyed :2 cents:

What evidence ?

theking 12-05-2013 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19896641)
Whoah whoah whoah.. You've got it completely and utterly ass backwards. Normal rational people think government is somewhat ineffectual, doesn't live up to it's promises, is often well meaning but also corrupt and compromised.

In the "rational corner" we have hundreds of displays of the government being inept and myopic.. fucking take your pick from the Obamacare website to the Hurricane Katrina emergency response to weapons of mass destruction.

Rational people think the government is inept, it's the conspiracy nutjobs that think the government is God. It's the nutjobs that think a government that can spend hundreds of millions on a healthcare website that doesn't work and can't keep a presidential blow job secret can rig 3 buildings with explosives over months with a team of 50 people without tens of thousands of people noticing and have nothing leak - A godlike government literally causing ACTS OF GOD with haarp induced earthquakes!

LOL clueless. Conspiracies are literally a religion - it's a way of giving meaning to the largely random acts in our world and replacing a sky daddy with a smoke filled room daddy that pulls all the strings and makes things happen. No problem with individual conspiracies but it's a religion to the 9/11+haarp+contrails+SandyHook+ANYTHING THATHAPPENSATALL crowd. It's the rabbit hole. It's like their naive mind is blown the first time they learn not everything is as it seems and they flip out and go the other extreme and for example, can't immediately tell David Icke is a raving tard or raking in cash from gullible conspirasheeple.

Hear...hear!

Markul 12-05-2013 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19896641)
Whoah whoah whoah.. You've got it completely and utterly ass backwards. Normal rational people think government is somewhat ineffectual, doesn't live up to it's promises, is often well meaning but also corrupt and compromised.

In the "rational corner" we have hundreds of displays of the government being inept and myopic.. fucking take your pick from the Obamacare website to the Hurricane Katrina emergency response to weapons of mass destruction.

Rational people think the government is inept, it's the conspiracy nutjobs that think the government is God. It's the nutjobs that think a government that can spend hundreds of millions on a healthcare website that doesn't work and can't keep a presidential blow job secret can rig 3 buildings with explosives over months with a team of 50 people without tens of thousands of people noticing and have nothing leak - A godlike government literally causing ACTS OF GOD with haarp induced earthquakes!

LOL clueless. Conspiracies are literally a religion - it's a way of giving meaning to the largely random acts in our world and replacing a sky daddy with a smoke filled room daddy that pulls all the strings and makes things happen. No problem with individual conspiracies but it's a religion to the 9/11+haarp+contrails+SandyHook+ANYTHING THATHAPPENSATALL crowd. It's the rabbit hole. It's like their naive mind is blown the first time they learn not everything is as it seems and they flip out and go the other extreme and for example, can't immediately tell David Icke is a raving tard or raking in cash from gullible conspirasheeple.

Damn straight! But the OP is either a huge troll or just plain retarded, sitting all day looking for corruption and conspiracies where there are none rather than face the fact that right outside his door shit is going down he should be more worried about:
http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results

There is only 50 countries on the planet more corrupt than his, and the US ain't one of em.

Paully 12-05-2013 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19896641)
Whoah whoah whoah.. You've got it completely and utterly ass backwards. Normal rational people think government is somewhat ineffectual, doesn't live up to it's promises, is often well meaning but also corrupt and compromised.

In the "rational corner" we have hundreds of displays of the government being inept and myopic.. fucking take your pick from the Obamacare website to the Hurricane Katrina emergency response to weapons of mass destruction.

Rational people think the government is inept, it's the conspiracy nutjobs that think the government is God. It's the nutjobs that think a government that can spend hundreds of millions on a healthcare website that doesn't work and can't keep a presidential blow job secret can rig 3 buildings with explosives over months with a team of 50 people without tens of thousands of people noticing and have nothing leak - A godlike government literally causing ACTS OF GOD with haarp induced earthquakes!

LOL clueless. Conspiracies are literally a religion - it's a way of giving meaning to the largely random acts in our world and replacing a sky daddy with a smoke filled room daddy that pulls all the strings and makes things happen. No problem with individual conspiracies but it's a religion to the 9/11+haarp+contrails+SandyHook+ANYTHING THATHAPPENSATALL crowd. It's the rabbit hole. It's like their naive mind is blown the first time they learn not everything is as it seems and they flip out and go the other extreme and for example, can't immediately tell David Icke is a raving tard or raking in cash from gullible conspirasheeple.

Nailed it.

EonBlue 12-05-2013 09:36 AM

Here is a whole page of RATIONAL arguments debunking the whole WTC7 conspiracy bullshit that no conspiracy theorist will ever consider because it goes against their preformed conclusions.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

sperbonzo 12-05-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 19897216)
Here is a whole page of RATIONAL arguments debunking the whole WTC7 conspiracy bullshit that no conspiracy theorist will ever consider because it goes against their preformed conclusions.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

That's a good page, thanks!




:thumbsup:thumbsup



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seeandsee 12-05-2013 10:21 AM

fuck you building 7, everybody say they have correct data now...

PR_Glen 12-05-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19896348)
the owner of the building admitted it. in a documentary/news thingy.

he was talking about the firemen in the building dimwit... watch the whole clip, the bong resin shouldn't interfere once you understand the context of that whole conversation...

baddog 12-05-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19896818)
I'm quite a helpful chap at times, they are grateful that I opened their eyes to the reality of vaccines :2 cents:

I guess there is hope that your family will just die out from lack of medical care.

_Richard_ 12-05-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19897281)
he was talking about the firemen in the building dimwit... watch the whole clip, the bong resin shouldn't interfere once you understand the context of that whole conversation...

is that right.

you know there is documents that show when the building was evacuated

and then there is documents showing when the building fell

and these times are hours apart

but you got a chance to call me a dimwit

you can call it a day :thumbsup

dyna mo 12-05-2013 11:16 AM

so let's be real clear-

conspiracy nutters think the decision to topple wtc 7 was a short convo between the bldg owner and the fire chief

Quote:

Silverstein's Quote:

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, he was talking to the fire commander

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, both are not in the demolition business

Silverstein's spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified:

"In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building."

He could be lying, right? But here is the corroborating evidence...

Quote:

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...2_WTC_GRAPHIC/
Banaciski_Richard.txt

Here is more evidence they pulled the teams out waiting for a normal collapse from fire...

"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department

:1orglaugh

wehateporn 12-05-2013 11:29 AM

It's nuts that they're still trying to spin this, telling us that an apple is an orange :1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 19897216)
Here is a whole page of RATIONAL arguments debunking the whole WTC7 conspiracy bullshit that no conspiracy theorist will ever consider because it goes against their preformed conclusions.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm


wehateporn 12-05-2013 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19897341)
so let's be real clear-

conspiracy nutters think the decision to topple wtc 7 was a short convo between the bldg owner and the fire chief

:1orglaugh

It was a long convo between Silverstein and the insurance company, he wanted to see if he'd still get paid if the building went down via controlled demo, given that the plane which was meant to hit it got delayed in airport congestion. :2 cents:

wehateporn 12-05-2013 11:40 AM

Silverstein is a 'Lucky' man



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