Is the US turning into a communist country?

[dave90210]

Does it seem like Obama is turning America into an oppressed country? What are your thoughts?

[BFT3K]

I don't care if the porridge was too hot or too cold, I just want to know what happened to Goldilocks!

[Seth Manson]

It has certainly seemed that way since 9/11.

[theking]

Originally Posted by dave90210

Does it seem like Obama is turning America into an oppressed country? What are your thoughts?

No......

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by theking

No......

Not just Obama - plenty of others benefit

[J. Falcon]

Do you even know what "communist" means?

[MaDalton]

already using the term "socialist" is laughable

[nico-t]

obama is a puppet of the huge corporation and the federal reserve who run the show since the dollar is just paper. Exactly like his predecessors. Voting is a complete farce since the real people who run the show stay in their cozy seats. I bet election time is for them a hilarious spectacle, to see how everyone still falls for the primitive partisan politic propaganda which is all just a sideshow.

Communism by the way? wtf. US is very right wing when we look at the rest of the western world. I think 'police state' or 'mild fascism' is a better term.

[Barry-xlovecam]

We need the Senate to have hearings on this ...

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Do you even know what "communist" means?

Or oppressed !!!

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by dave90210

Does it seem like Obama is turning America into an oppressed country? What are your thoughts?

He sure turned this country into a basket of nuts looking for shit that he never caused.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dave90210

Does it seem like Obama is turning America into an oppressed country? What are your thoughts?

Oppressed != communist. The USA had the most oppressive laws among so-called developed countries a long time before Obama. E.g.: a death penalty (WTF in the 21 century???), extremely long prison times (in the USA you can get a few hundreds of years even for economic crimes), the US government has a right to spy on any citizen (absolutely legally), kill anyone who is suspected to be a terrorist (absolutely legally), torture the citizens with waterboarding and other sadistic methods (absolutely legally) etc.

[messiah1]

Communism = no government.
Stalinism = state capitalism.

[_Richard_]

more so than it already is?

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19...welfare-is-not

this is an article comparing food stamps to corporate subsidies

[Tom_PM]

Um hello? Obamunism please and ty.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by messiah1

Communism = no government.
Stalinism = state capitalism.

Errrrrrrr...... not sure where you got your information about government types, but Communism certainly does NOT mean "no government". That term is anarchy.

Also, "state captialism" does not exist. The term you are looking for is Fascism.




....and THAT is where this country is headed, Fascism, not towards communism. IMHO.




.

[2012]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by 2012

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

[theking]

Originally Posted by nico-t

obama is a puppet of the huge corporation and the federal reserve who run the show since the dollar is just paper. Exactly like his predecessors. Voting is a complete farce since the real people who run the show stay in their cozy seats. I bet election time is for them a hilarious spectacle, to see how everyone still falls for the primitive partisan politic propaganda which is all just a sideshow.

Communism by the way? wtf. US is very right wing when we look at the rest of the western world. I think 'police state' or 'mild fascism' is a better term.

Pigshit.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

You are better off, he's just crawled out from his cave from going in hiding from the 2012 end is near disappointment. Now he's shifted towards government collapse which is equally as misguided and desperate.

[2012]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

You are better off, he's just crawled out from his cave from going in hiding from the 2012 end is near disappointment. Now he's shifted towards government collapse which is equally as misguided and desperate.

i read a book. oh no ......... try it. then go fuck yourself

[2012]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

You are better off, he's just crawled out from his cave from going in hiding from the 2012 end is near disappointment. Now he's shifted towards government collapse which is equally as misguided and desperate.

with the state of the world today ... if you're still singing this tune you should probably just kill yourself [edit] after you go fuck yourself

[TrashyGirl]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Errrrrrrr...... not sure where you got your information about government types, but Communism certainly does NOT mean "no government". That term is anarchy.

Also, "state captialism" does not exist. The term you are looking for is Fascism.




....and THAT is where this country is headed, Fascism, not towards communism. IMHO.

.

Pigshit.

It's not pigshit, it's true...


Fascism |definition|

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

[beerptrol]

Yes it is! Now crawl back into your cave and keep breeding with your sister to ensure the white race doesn't die off!

[theking]

Originally Posted by TrashyGirl

It's not pigshit, it's true...


Fascism |definition|

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

More pigshit.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by theking

More pigshit.

what is.. the pathfinder definition of fascism?

cause pathfinder just 'pigshit'ed googles definition of fascism, which i believe is based off Websters..

[2012]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

He sure turned this country into a basket of nuts looking for shit that he never caused.

I was all for Obama once. Even though I knew he was just another politician liar. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I believed people that didn't like him were racist.

When I spoke badly about Bush I got the same types of responses from the republicans. It's amazing to me how we let them manipulate us.

[brassmonkey]

my guns just said no fucking way

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Well if you want to stay away from any sort of "labeling" or political terms and just plain simply ask if Wall Street succeeded in finding a new ingenious way to "create" artificial non existing wealth out of everyone's debts, pack it and then get bailed out by the government then yes

But then again, the roots of this had been laid out fourty years ago already, it just went way too absurd between 2002 - 2007 so the eventual meltdown got more brutal than just about anybody would ever believe.

To blame one or another politician is just a proof that they do something right covering their ass(-ets)

[2012]

[2MuchMark]

So. Much. Fail.

[2012]

Originally Posted by **********

So. Much. Fail.

please reveal to us your wisdom and genius mighty one. let us pray ... ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[2012]

is this obama ?
http://www.infowars.com/mancow-mulle...-harry-lennix/




do any of these sound familiar at all ?


3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

what is.. the pathfinder definition of fascism?

cause pathfinder just 'pigshit'ed googles definition of fascism, which i believe is based off Websters..

The Wikipedia definition is far more in depth and not so simple:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

The whole "fascism is right-wing" meme was developed and pushed by left-wingers as a means to slander, de-legitimize and taint right wingers and capitalism.

The truth is that in practice fascism has had elements of both left-wing and right wing, and both socialist and capitalist philosophies.

Here is a good essay on it:

http://www2.lawrence.edu/sorg/OBJECTIVISM/SOCFASC.HTML

Differentiation of socialism and fascism from capitalism permits the recognition of their similarity. They do differ from each other, but only in the way in which the scalene and the isosceles differ from each other: in degree, but not in kind. Socialism and fascism are each forms of statism, forms of government in which the government is given complete or extensive control over the lives of its citizens.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

The Wikipedia definition is far more in depth and not so simple:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

The whole "fascism is right-wing" meme was developed and pushed by left-wingers as a means to slander, de-legitimize and taint right wingers and capitalism.

The truth is that in practice fascism has had elements of both left-wing and right wing, and both socialist and capitalist philosophies.

Here is a good essay on it:

http://www2.lawrence.edu/sorg/OBJECTIVISM/SOCFASC.HTML

from your own article:

'common definition of fascism: "A governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation (industrial, commercial, etc.)" (American College Dictionary, New York: Random House, 1957).'

sounds real familiar.. is there a current world government that will brook no criticism, uses a strong centralized power, and controls everything?

the fact the dude is arguing that socialism is some form of fascism/communism is a little irresponsible

considering the 'too big to fail' rhetoric that just passed.. that's socialism.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

from your own article:

'common definition of fascism: "A governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation (industrial, commercial, etc.)" (American College Dictionary, New York: Random House, 1957).'

sounds real familiar.. is there a current world government that will brook no criticism, uses a strong centralized power, and controls everything?

the fact the dude is arguing that socialism is some form of fascism/communism is a little irresponsible

considering the 'too big to fail' rhetoric that just passed.. that's socialism.

Clearly you didn't read either article in full.

Turnabout is fair play: the fact that many people argue that fascism is some form of capitalism is a little irresponsible.

As for your question about current world governments - North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, etc.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Clearly you didn't read either article in full.

Turnabout is fair play: the fact that many people argue that fascism is some form of capitalism is a little irresponsible.

As for your question about current world governments - North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, etc.

clearly? almost for granted, no?

i was looking for an author, found this:

"(2) The way in which I have explained the process of concept-formation is consistent with Ayn Rand's solution to the problem of universals in Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology."

do you agree with Ayn Rands views?

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

clearly? almost for granted, no?

i was looking for an author, found this:

"(2) The way in which I have explained the process of concept-formation is consistent with Ayn Rand's solution to the problem of universals in Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology."

do you agree with Ayn Rands views?

Whether I agree with Ayn Rand's views or not is neither here nor there in terms of understanding the general premise of the article. The author also quotes Hitler and Goebbels yet you didn't ask me if I agree with their views (I don't).

Picking out a minor reference to Ayn Rand is a bit of a straw man. I mean it is an "objectivist" essay after all. The Ayn Rand reference is in no way central to his argument.

[2012]

rigged casino capitalism isn't capitalism

[klinton]

Originally Posted by theking

Pigshit.

[klinton]

Originally Posted by dave90210

Does it seem like Obama is turning America into an oppressed country? What are your thoughts?

do you even know what "communism" means ? or opressed ?

[DAMNMAN]

Obama isn't doing it single-handedly, this is a path that we have been on for a while. They have brainwashed the masses into believing that the government can keep them safe by taking all of their rights away.
I blame Obama for not doing something to stop government abuse!!! As it turns out he is just as corrupt as all the rest of them. (Better than Bush, but in the pockets of the corrupt power hungry nontheless.)

[2012]

Originally Posted by DAMNMAN

Obama isn't doing it single-handedly, this is a path that we have been on for a while. They have brainwashed the masses into believing that the government can keep them safe by taking all of their rights away.
I blame Obama for not doing something to stop government abuse!!! As it turns out he is just as corrupt as all the rest of them. (Better than Bush, but in the pockets of the corrupt power hungry nontheless.)

he's the fall guy. the puppet , stooge , shill , sham, scam, swindler, bush , clinton whatever i don't think the ultimate goal of communism was to complety destroy the society but if that is the plan communism seems like it's their "get your foot in the door" to get closer to that

[RandyRandy]

Originally Posted by nico-t

obama is a puppet of the huge corporation and the federal reserve who run the show since the dollar is just paper. Exactly like his predecessors. Voting is a complete farce since the real people who run the show stay in their cozy seats. I bet election time is for them a hilarious spectacle, to see how everyone still falls for the primitive partisan politic propaganda which is all just a sideshow.

Communism by the way? wtf. US is very right wing when we look at the rest of the western world. I think 'police state' or 'mild fascism' is a better term.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Ashamed the majority of people don't get it - too busy arguing over CNN vs Fox, Alex Jones vs Michael Moore, Bush vs Obama, etc. They're all the same, a distraction from what's really going on.

http://

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Whether I agree with Ayn Rand's views or not is neither here nor there in terms of understanding the general premise of the article. The author also quotes Hitler and Goebbels yet you didn't ask me if I agree with their views (I don't).

Picking out a minor reference to Ayn Rand is a bit of a straw man. I mean it is an "objectivist" essay after all. The Ayn Rand reference is in no way central to his argument.

just when i lost interest, have a good one

[mamaliga]

Communism is not bad

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by mamaliga

Communism is not bad

Communism is not good.

I fixed it for you.

[Cherry7]

Communism is a dream of a society of liberated and free human beings where the State would wither away as it would no longer be needed to enforce the rule of one class over another.

Capiitalism has developed to economic forces to create a communist economy where all people could have all the economic support they need.

There are not the democratic humanist social structures, people are still divided by nationality, race, wealth. In the struggle for a more equal society, called socialism, with free education, health, housing and culture the ground work for communism can be built.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

what is.. the pathfinder definition of fascism?

cause pathfinder just 'pigshit'ed googles definition of fascism, which i believe is based off Websters..

Well fascism is a little deeper than 8 words, no?