Will everyone *program owners take note* still start threads about no sales in 2014?

[bean-aid]

I hope that at least got you in to the thread. My real question is if you are billing for ANYTHING... why are you still using third parties to do so? Anyone, and I mean anyone, can get a merchant account for themselves. It does help to know who can get you one... anyhoo

If the answer is:

"I don't bill enough to justify a merchant account."
Response:
Bullshit... you can get a real merchant account billing $500/month

"Affiliates are an issue"
Response:
Plenty of solutions for affiliate tracking that are either 1 time purchases or insignificant monthly costs to your bottom line.

"I don't want to handle customer service."
Response:
It takes as much time to provide customer support as it does log into gfy and find your favorite O'rly pic and post it.

And why do merchant account??





Really, enough is enough already. The up to snuff test ultimately lies within the last step of any join process. Why pull your hair out?... it is that last step you need to control!

[Captain Kawaii]

Nice stats. I will send you an e-mail.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Nice stats. I will send you an e-mail.

Cool... markj at nolimitsllc.net is good

Get that merchant account, have money deposited every day into your bank, pay your affiliates yourself!
It's just taking things over yourself... dont buy into the bs any longer.

[American Psycho]

You are correct fine sir.

What's no limits mean on the pie chart?

[American Psycho]

Nvm got it from last post.

Pls do tell Who give highrisk mids @ 500 per month. Did see that from my experiences..

Just getting my first mid.
Any tips to maximize successful auths? Settings etc?

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

Nvm got it from last post.

Pls do tell Who give highrisk mids @ 500 per month...

No limits is where i put my sites through mid.

That is my baby, others need to create their own babies. Put forms direct on paysite, put them on your *collective* site... whatever, doesnt matter.

Bill your sites your way and forget about all the other non sense.

[bean-aid]

P.s. people who know people that can convince other people that a site is worth X can secure a mid currently making $500/month

[American Psycho]

So it not quite as easy as your list states.
I had a hard time and I do a lot more than 500.
Just sayn

[vdbucks]

We've been processing through a merchant account via Netbilling for a bit over a year now and have had mixed results. We're currently pushing between 300-600 a day -- which is but a fraction of our monthly totals -- through our merchant account but can't really seem to get it higher than that without all but disabling the security checks and whatnot (scrub levels).

There's also -- from what I understand -- the added risk of being able to lose your merchant account and all money currently pushing through it without notice; so I don't know how much we'd want to push through even if we could get our numbers higher.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

So it not quite as easy as your list states.
I had a hard time and I do a lot more than 500.
Just sayn

Thats what im going to change.

[American Psycho]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

We've been processing through a merchant account via Netbilling for a bit over a year now and have had mixed results. We're currently pushing between 300-600 a day -- which is but a fraction of our monthly totals -- through our merchant account but can't really seem to get it higher than that without all but disabling the security checks and whatnot (scrub levels).

There's also -- from what I understand -- the added risk of being able to lose your merchant account and all money currently pushing through it without notice; so I don't know how much we'd want to push through even if we could get our numbers higher.

What do you mean you can lose you merchant account? How exactly?

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

What do you mean you can lose you merchant account? How exactly?

From what I understand, the bank where you have your merchant account with can close your account at any time due to the account being used for adult (high risk). I could be misinformed but I'm pretty sure that's about the gist of it.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

We've been processing through a merchant account via Netbilling for a bit over a year now and have had mixed results. We're currently pushing between 300-600 a day -- which is but a fraction of our monthly totals -- through our merchant account but can't really seem to get it higher than that without all but disabling the security checks and whatnot (scrub levels).

There's also -- from what I understand -- the added risk of being able to lose your merchant account and all money currently pushing through it without notice; so I don't know how much we'd want to push through even if we could get our numbers higher.

300-600 a day in dollars or joins?

[American Psycho]

He means dollars.
Maybe that other thread was right lol

[freecartoonporn]

I don't bill enough to justify a merchant account.

[bean-aid]

@vdbucks
If you are selling straight up membership get rid of nost of that scrub.
But the scrub is not the biggie... the *mesh* of pre join and join page is. As well as a lot of smaller details.
I have never heard you could lose merchant account immediately. It goes in varying levels of review unless straight up something shady is going on.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

300-600 a day in dollars or joins?

Dollars

Originally Posted by American Psycho

He means dollars.
Maybe that other thread was right lol

Not really sure what that's supposed to mean but ok. As I said in my initial post in this thread, I don't see how we can push more through the merchant account unless we set our scrub levels so low they may as well be off.

But hey, I guess you're only here to troll so go ahead and get back to it.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

He means dollars.
Maybe that other thread was right lol

LOL You may be right there. :D
But hey, it's possible the great VDBucks could be doing 300-600 joins per day, no? Maybe trials?

That's the funny thing, you never really know about another person's volume.

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Dollars


Not really sure what that's supposed to mean but ok. As I said in my initial post in this thread, I don't see how we can push more through the merchant account unless we set our scrub levels so low they may as well be off.

But hey, I guess you're only here to troll so go ahead and get back to it.

No man he was talking to me LOL There's another thread about how stupid I am and he may be right, me posting after 14 hours straight of designing a new paysite.

And I meant it when I said I could see you guys doing that many joins, you have a great Program.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by beaner

@vdbucks
If you are selling straight up membership get rid of nost of that scrub.

But the scrub is not the biggie... the *mesh* of pre join and join page is. As well as a lot of smaller details.

Doesn't that just open us up to all sorts of fraud though? If we have essentially no security at the processing level then we'd end up with a ton of CBs due to fake joins, very similar to a problem we had with verotel a few years back when they'd let people join with fake names and addresses that don't exist.

I mean, we're no experts when it comes to this particular area so yeah.

Originally Posted by beaner

I have never heard you could lose merchant account immediately. It goes in varying levels of review unless straight up something shady is going on.

Yeah, I'm not sure if the info I'm going off memory from is correct, it's been a while since we looked into it but I thought one of the major concerns surrounding merchant accounts was the added risk of up and losing it without warning.

Again, I could be wrong on that heh... I guess we need to sit down and really take a harder look at everything involved with merchant accounts.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Dollars


Not really sure what that's supposed to mean but ok. As I said in my initial post in this thread, I don't see how we can push more through the merchant account unless we set our scrub levels so low they may as well be off.

But hey, I guess you're only here to troll so go ahead and get back to it.

I will get your stuff doing 600-1200 in 3 months. Not fucking with you. I clicked trike patrol and unless your servers are currently having problems... speed is an issue. Besides that... pre-join is an issue and have no idea about join page.

There is just so many *little* details that are prohibiting growth. The pre-join inherently reminds me of a third party setup... so many other ways to skin a cat.

[American Psycho]

No its not friggen possible.
The biggest companies in porn do 300 to 600 joins a day.

[American Psycho]

Beaner
not to not to call you out but why are you processing ccbill on judo which as i know is 3rd party?

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by beaner

I will get your stuff doing 600-1200 in 3 months. Not fucking with you. I clicked trike patrol and unless your servers are currently having problems... speed is an issue. Besides that... pre-join is an issue and have no idea about join page.

There is just so many *little* details that are prohibiting growth. The pre-join inherently reminds me of a third party setup... so many other ways to skin a cat.

Well, we push much more than 300-600 a day, that amount is just through our merchant account (via Netbilling). We've tried pushing more through Netbilling but end up with a lot more declines than we do with pushing about 60% of our traffic through Epoch, 20% through Verotel and 20% through Netbilling.

We just recently removed Zombaio from processing any new sales (except for 2nd step in the cascade) because they're getting worse and worse at getting us our money and they've been doing some shady shit with the payout dates to "solve" that problem. It really sucks though because we were able to process more sales through them than we do through Verotel but it is what it is I guess.

As far as our servers go, we're currently undergoing a shit load of major overhauling and reconfiguring our entire network so some things are a bit slower than they should be right now.

As for the rest, I'm not really sure what we could improve/change... I'm just a server admin and coder/developer heh, and I'd venture to say we have a lot of room for improvement when it comes to the billing side of things.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

LOL You may be right there. :D
But hey, it's possible the great VDBucks could be doing 300-600 joins per day, no? Maybe trials?

That's the funny thing, you never really know about another person's volume.



No man he was talking to me LOL There's another thread about how stupid I am and he may be right, me posting after 14 hours straight of designing a new paysite.

And I meant it when I said I could see you guys doing that many joins, you have a great Program.

I guess I read something into it that wasn't there heh, my mistake.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

No its not friggen possible.
The biggest companies in porn do 300 to 600 joins a day.

Who cares. I'm talking about 1X2=2
Doesnt matter the program, doesnt matter the dollar amount. There are some who have figured out what does better... but not many.

I am telling all of you... there is *huge* money lost on the table for many reasons. The biggest one is mercha t account, or lack of. But every single detail counts, no matter how big, or small.

[American Psycho]

Yea u did. Relax. Must be stressed dealimg with hackintosh bugs lol

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

Yea u did. Relax. Must be stressed dealimg with hackintosh bugs lol

I don't deal with hackintosh bugs lol...

23:42:27 up 53 days, 20 min, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.03, 0.05

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

Beaner
not to not to call you out but why are you processing ccbill on judo which as i know is 3rd party?

Honest answer:

Sliiing, who i need for programming, has been developing his hosted version. So i put that site aside for now. I am also not happy with thats site indexing in the se's.
So i did not request the updates bc i need to figure out why se is not good.

[Paully]

Oh gawd

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

No its not friggen possible.
The biggest companies in porn do 300 to 600 joins a day.

Well there ya go, who knows?
How do we know they do 300-600? Because someone posts stats or says so or we (most likely) extrapolate?

You have no idea how many joins I do a day, nor do you know how many VDBucks (or anyone else) does so really, at the end of the day, who friggin' cares. :D

All I know is I want MORE baby!!

Edit: I suppose if you worked for a company and were privy to stats you could see what they were doing. Maybe you worked for one of these companies? Anyway, it's Titty Tuesday here so fuck it:





Peace.

<//////////////>~~~

[American Psycho]

Do the math.

Yes more pls.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

Do the math.

Yes more pls.

Math? Oh man, at this hour 1 + 1 = 5 for me LOL

But yes I know, at 300 a day, at $29.95 that's 10 sales. 600 would be 20 sales. Or at $24.95.....

Ah but VDBucks said this was a fraction of his biz so let's triple or quadruple that, so....40 joins a day? 50? 60? Who knows, as I keep saying, round and round, and we end up back at.....
TITS!





Now she is calling so gotta go:

[Paully]

Your with Kora, Porn Nerd? She's a nice girl. Helped me with Layla and my ex one night.

My best.

Paully

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by beaner

@vdbucks
If you are selling straight up membership get rid of nost of that scrub.
But the scrub is not the biggie... the *mesh* of pre join and join page is. As well as a lot of smaller details.
I have never heard you could lose merchant account immediately. It goes in varying levels of review unless straight up something shady is going on.

How many years have been running this with no scrub?

What does your CB ratio look like?

[bean-aid]

^^it is not no scrub... just not ridiculous scrub.

If you have a legit pay site hit me up. If you offer $100 for free join, im not the guy.

[Femjoy Michael]

Originally Posted by beaner

"I don't bill enough to justify a merchant account."
Response:
Bullshit... you can get a real merchant account billing $500/month

"Affiliates are an issue"
Response:
Plenty of solutions for affiliate tracking that are either 1 time purchases or insignificant monthly costs to your bottom line.

"I don't want to handle customer service."
Response:
It takes as much time to provide customer support as it does log into gfy and find your favorite O'rly pic and post it.

And why do merchant account??



Really, enough is enough already. The up to snuff test ultimately lies within the last step of any join process. Why pull your hair out?... it is that last step you need to control!

Thank you for the great thread Beaner. This is good info for everyone.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Well, we push much more than 300-600 a day, that amount is just through our merchant account (via Netbilling). We've tried pushing more through Netbilling but end up with a lot more declines than we do with pushing about 60% of our traffic through Epoch, 20% through Verotel and 20% through Netbilling.

We just recently removed Zombaio from processing any new sales (except for 2nd step in the cascade) because they're getting worse and worse at getting us our money and they've been doing some shady shit with the payout dates to "solve" that problem. It really sucks though because we were able to process more sales through them than we do through Verotel but it is what it is I guess.

As far as our servers go, we're currently undergoing a shit load of major overhauling and reconfiguring our entire network so some things are a bit slower than they should be right now.

As for the rest, I'm not really sure what we could improve/change... I'm just a server admin and coder/developer heh, and I'd venture to say we have a lot of room for improvement when it comes to the billing side of things.

So this awesome awesome program is averaging $2200USD a day ($450 * 5) - with some of the most amazing content there is. Good data.

[James_Hotmovies]

you can lose your merchant account without much notice. That's why you need multiple accounts and relationships with 3rd party billing companies.

you can also get fined heavily for not following poorly defined rules.

there are risks and rewards to everything.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

So this awesome awesome program is averaging $2200USD a day ($450 * 5) - with some of the most amazing content there is. Good data.

We're close to 700k gross this year so far, by years end I'm projecting us to be just under a million. So on average, we're just about averaging 2,200 per day.

One of our newest sites (Asian Sex Diary) had a dry spell - promo wise - of about 8 months, otherwise we'd easily have broken 1 mil, and probably would've done about 1.3 mil or more this year. In January 2013 I was actually projecting us to hit 1.2 million this year, but we're not going to hit that number due to the aforementioned 8 month dry spell; and to be honest, it pisses me off to no end.

I don't see why I'd lie, nor do I have a reason to lie, about our stats in a thread like this when I'm looking to capitalize on even more sales. I mean, I know that 3rd party processors end up costing us quite a bit, and at the end of the day, I'm open to any and all advice that could realistically increase our bottom line. I don't pretend in any way whatsoever to have all this billing stuff figured out, nor do I claim to be a pro at how to best optimize our join income. When all is said and done, we're just 2 guys with a few employees, and we're still learning the ropes in a lot of ways; so if I see a chance to further increase our profits, then you can bet your ass I'm going to at least hear the person out.

If this were some nonsense thread about "post your stats for 2013" and I was here trying to claim we push x figures then I could see some people not buying them but seriously, my number 1 goal in business is to maximize profits, so to come in a thread like this and bullshit doesn't do me, or my company, any good whatsoever.

And to be honest, you can believe me, or don't. I really don't give a shit.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

We're close to 700k gross this year so far, by years end I'm projecting us to be just under a million. So on average, we're just about averaging 2,200 per day.

One of our newest sites (Asian Sex Diary) had a dry spell - promo wise - of about 8 months, otherwise we'd easily have broken 1 mil, and probably would've done about 1.3 mil or more this year. In January 2013 I was actually projecting us to hit 1.2 million this year, but we're not going to hit that number due to the aforementioned 8 month dry spell; and to be honest, it pisses me off to no end.

I don't see why I'd lie, nor do I have a reason to lie, about our stats in a thread like this when I'm looking to capitalize on even more sales. I mean, I know that 3rd party processors end up costing us quite a bit, and at the end of the day, I'm open to any and all advice that could realistically increase our bottom line. I don't pretend in any way whatsoever to have all this billing stuff figured out, nor do I claim to be a pro at how to best optimize our join income. When all is said and done, we're just 2 guys with a few employees, and we're still learning the ropes in a lot of ways; so if I see a chance to further increase our profits, then you can bet your ass I'm going to at least hear the person out.

If this were some nonsense thread about "post your stats for 2013" and I was here trying to claim we push x figures then I could see some people not buying them but seriously, my number 1 goal in business is to maximize profits, so to come in a thread like this and bullshit doesn't do me, or my company, any good whatsoever.

And to be honest, you can believe me, or don't. I really don't give a shit.

I don't know who here you think doesn't believe you. I do. You can certainly be generating that level of sales with your Program (congrats).

Free advice (worth what you paid for it): I would look to other 3rd party billers besides Verotel, Segpay, Zombaio or any of the other European-based companies. Try CCBill and/or Epoch. But also, at the volume you're doing, you would be a good candidate for a merchant account so I would look there, even beyond NETBilling.

Originally Posted by Paully

Your with Kora, Porn Nerd? She's a nice girl. Helped me with Layla and my ex one night.

My best.

Paully

Yes, Kora's my girl (or really, I'm Kora's guy). She's amazing and a really good person so I'm not surprised she helped out. Will send along your kind words.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

I don't see why I'd lie, nor do I have a reason to lie, about our stats in a thread like this when I'm looking to capitalize on even more sales. I mean, I know that 3rd party processors end up costing us quite a bit, and at the end of the day, I'm open to any and all advice that could realistically increase our bottom line. I don't pretend in any way whatsoever to have all this billing stuff figured out, nor do I claim to be a pro at how to best optimize our join income.

I'm not sure what thread carried over here... all I know is what you wrote above, is why I started this thread. Why I relentlessly sought after an adult merchant, why I failed my first release, why I restructured, redesigned, rethought the process and then launched with success in October in adult. It is an exact replication of what I saw in 2010 with mainstream merchant account.

It is simple stuff that is overlooked. The first tip on your forms is this:
Do not list the price on the pre-join page. Offer 2 options only... a trial and a purchase now. Use artwork to do it and def. collect username, password, email on the pre-join.
The credit card page I haven't checked out yet...
You are using netbilling which is a step in the right direction... I need to check your join forms still.

I don't want this thread to turn into a vdbucks pre-join, join form, customer service, DBA name on credit card statements thread so just send me an email if you really want to step up that part of your game.

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by James_Hotmovies

you can lose your merchant account without much notice. That's why you need multiple accounts and relationships with 3rd party billing companies.

you can also get fined heavily for not following poorly defined rules.

there are risks and rewards to everything.

You can lose your 3rd party billing account as well without any notice