DWB

That is a hard pill for many to swallow, especially brainwashed, delusional Americans like theking, but it's the painful truth.

When your wife and 10 year old daughter are getting their tits and hooch groped at the airport to board a plane, while you stand there watching, unable to say a word about it, the "terrorists" not only won, but they knocked it out of the fucking park.

So what we drop bombs on them in return, they still won on an epic level. We can bomb them to rubble and dust, but they still turned the world, especially the USA, into a police state, CCTV and drone having, fear zone.

Muslim extremists are in this for the long haul. The western world is not, nor do they even understand what that means. In the end, way down the line, Muslims win globally. And every one the western world kills or wrongly imprisons, his martyrdom breeds more extremists willing to die for the cause. You can't win against an enemy like that.

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JockoHomo

It is a hard fight certainly...intelligence against human stupidity which is why all atheists should become outspoken militant atheists. We need to make as much noise as those assholes. We have numbers of fellow atheists in the shadows who are taught to respect religion...well FUCK ALL RELIGIONS.

They ALL need to be destroyed for us to progress. Show them no mercy and mock those who perpetuate these superstitious ridiculous practices and rituals...they do not deserve any special treatment. Their time has come and gone.

DWB

The world needs to rid itself of organized religion, there is no doubt about that. But it is the ultimate form of control, so I doubt it's going anywhere.

SilentKnight

Thanks for posting that. I've watched several of Dawkin's interviews and debates..but hadn't seen that one.

47 mins. well spent.

theking

I find it difficult to believe that anyone would think that putting cameras in your local park will stop terrorism...or did they intend to say..."to stop terrorism in your local park". How many terrorist attacks have you had in your local park/parks. I would think that cameras might...at the least...be a help in reducing the number of terrorists attacks in your local park. What city do you live in that terrorists have been been making attacks in your local park? I can't recall any national news reports about terrorist attacks in any city's local park/parks.

Educate me and explain to me how putting cameras in a local park is letting the government...local or otherwise...strip away anyone's freedom? What freedom does the cameras deny you?

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_Richard_

you mean to say, your mother was afraid of the cold war

and now she's afraid of some other 'war' that is more applicable to her daily life?

that's an unfortunate coincidence

theking

Of course we can win against an enemy like that...on any given day...we just have to get angry enough to do it.

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The U.S. is not a police state in any way...shape...fashion or form.

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You can - but you'd have to be willing to think and act with equal fervour as they do. Fight fire with fire...so to speak. And for the most part the West doesn't have the stomach for that sort of eye-for-an-eye determination.

Some would say we'd be compromising our ideals by lowering ourselves to their level. That two wrongs don't make a right.

There'd be no winners in the final outcome.

I fear this is a 'battle' that's already been lost.

winter_

bin laden was a man who would gouge out your eye balls for looking at the naked body. richard dawkins is a man who will sell himself out to the highest bidder for his own sake. so he makes a point on the face of it about liberty but i stopped reading when it was over a jar of honey. the united states government are a tyranny just a freak show. talk about freedom and liberty? seriously? if the united states wants to be a dictatorship let them i say, because the people will either be with them or not, and if not, then they will just not withstand an overthrow. those politicians are just on a power trip they think will never end.

_Richard_

im sorry, are you referring to genocide?

theking

In a fight to the death...there is always a winner and a loser. One is dead...the other is not...even if the one that is not dead eventually dies of wounds received...he still is alive when the fight ended...thus the winner.

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And just what has the 'winner' (who dies of his wounds anyway) - actually won?

theking

Victory...and I am a fan of General MacArthur...who once said "there is no substitute for victory".

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SilentKnight

Victory?

So, despite a mutually assured destruction...as last man briefly standing - you've won...a word?

SilentKnight

Does the systematic extermination of fanatical terrorists qualify as genocide?

theking

If it needs to go that far to obtain victory...then yes. That has been my philosophy in the military...on the battle field and it has been my philosophy as a civilian...with me there is no substitute for victory.

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dyna mo

no, she wasn't afraid of the cold war. that was my point.

bhutocracy

My folks brought me some wild honey with truffles from Tasmania. Fucking delicious. We don't have the liquid ban though.

_Richard_

hard to say, when the obvious result would be funding more terrorists

could be a way for the master race/s to take over tho

ahh, it seemed like you were saying her fears had changed

my understanding of the time was 'the nuke', was what everyone was afraid of

theking

BTW...seldom...if ever...is there the possibility of "mutually assured destruction". The term was used during the "cold war" because between the U.S.S.R. and the U.S. each side had around 25,000 nuclear weapons among other weapons...but even then the term was not necessarily true.

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SilentKnight

If not 'mutually assured destruction' - then at least large scale casualties and collateral damage on both sides that would render any claims of winning - a rather hollow victory.

tattooboy

Our real enemy is standing behind both sides of the 4 wars we are already in. In fact they have funded both sides of almost every war in history. These people are also on record eugenicists and on top of inbreeding in an attempt to make super humans, also have killed more people in history than anything else ever has through democide. Democide by the way is the killing of people by there goverment and the numbers do not include military deaths or anything like that. These people have been slowly succeeding where folks like Hitler failed. This is not my opinion. They write about it often.

crockett

You tell me.. Obviously there is about zero chance for terrorism in a random park, yet I'm sure the cameras will come in quite handy monitoring whom is hanging out there..as it was in a not so up class area..

Ironically the day after the same news station reported that one of the local cities was taking down "red light" cameras at the busiest intersection in that town.. The city was claiming that accidents had decreased dramatically due to the cameras because people stopped running red lights. The reporter asked why take them down if they were solving a problem.. The city official claimed it was a UN-needed expense at that point..

Turns out that the city police were not writing as many tickets after the camera went active , but of course the city official wouldn't admit they were removing the cameras to increase ticket revenue.

Both of these were around the Orlando area.

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theking

Well...I don't think your "explanation" educated me...that the cameras in the park are taking away freedom...unless you feel that people in a shady neighborhood should have the right to practice shady things in the local park.

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dyna mo

look at it militarily- if you are not winning a war/battle........you are losing it. and that's a fact. war is a zer-sum game, you are the victor or the vanquished.

sucks to write that but, no matter how i try and dice it, this is a post-9/11 world and that means fear. fear means terrorism has won/is winning.

dyna mo

well, she did practice desk drills growing up but that was in the 1950s and the nuke thread dissipated........the enemy was *the evil empire*. communism. that was a long way from home. this war on terror is right here at home and the enemy isn't an amorphous construct like communism, it's some chechnyan rebels, it's al quada, et al, on&on, it's terrorism of all sorts to be concerned about.

winter_

i'm keeping it real how about you. that is how prison is like, i already knew all that before i went in. divided by race, it just seems that is all they know. it comes in and off the street, in to the prisons. out of the prisons, on to the street, in to our communities. this neighbourhood i live in, a gang neighbourhood. you name it it happens.

theking

Well...I personally do not know a single person that walks around in fear.

It does remind me of a story that has been told in various forms. A Highway Patrolman pulled over a man for excess speed. He noticed a pistol on the dash of the car. He reached in and took the pistol off of the dash and asked the man if he had anymore fire arms and if so hand them to him. The man reached into the dash and pulled out an Army Colt .45. semi automatic pistol. He then reached under his car seat and pulled out a .32 snub nose revolver. Then he reached inside his shirt and pulled out a .38 Smith and Wesson revolver with a four inch barrel. After that he reached down and pulled up his pants leg and removed a .25 semi automatic pistol from his right Wellington boot. The Officer asked...well is that it. The man said no...I have some weapons in the trunk. The officer said...lets see 'em.

The man exists his car and opened up the trunk...and in the trunk was a .12 gage pump shotgun... a .30.06 bolt action rifle with scope...an AR15...and a .22 Magnum semi auto rifle. The Officer said damn man do you legally own all of these weapons and the man answered in the affirmative...plus he had several weapons at his house. The Cop said who the hell are you afraid of and the man answered...Not a goddamn soul.

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Exactly..."CONCERNED" about...not feared.

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dyna mo

sure. i hear you. we all pretty much go about our daily lives. i'm not trying to suggest my mom won't leave the house or travel, etc. but it's something we've chatted about.

but re: this thread and fear, for me, the author in the op hit the nail on the head with the honey bottle tweet, as much as i usually hate twitter battles and that nonsense. but it's exactly like the snowglobes, the fear is being forced upon us by knee-jerk government reaction(aries). freedoms have been replaced by devices to reduce the fear of terror. look how much money we've spent on it since 9/11, look how many government agencies and more have been created to handle the terror *threat*. that's a fear-based reaction.

theking

You view it as fear...I view it as being concerned...trying to stay one step ahead...trying to prepare...etc. The terrorist only needs to get lucky one time...we have to get lucky every time.

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QFT. They can make bombs and explosives out of absolutely anything , to look like absolutely anything and can hide it absolutely any where. People bitch they feel like they have no rights, no privacy etc. I personally would rather give up just a little bit if it means saving lives. WTF reason did dude have for having a $3 squeeze jar of honey-like product for AND feel the need to make a big deal over it being taken. He is the same kind of person who will bitch and blame the govt. when something bad happens and the govt fails to protect us.

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Jim_Gunn

It sure is moving in that direction. The police have become militarized, they are violating many American's civil rights on a daily basis and the list of innocent people that have murdered across the country due to overly aggressive and inflexible tactics grows every week.

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If any citizen of the U.S. feels that their civil rights have been violated by anyone...which includes law enforcement...there are several different ways to persue a civil and/or criminal charge/charges. If anyone that is a concerned citizen thinks a law enforcement Officer/Officers have unlawfully taken the life of any person...innocent or otherwise..there are multiple avenues that one can persue to bring the Officer/Officers up on civil and/or criminal charges.

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the police around here drive those big clumsy dingy looking pieces of shit, they are holdens. we just laugh at them. they would be better off with mazdas probably the police forces of asia use them.

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DamianJ

How many lives have been saved by the TSA and cameras everywhere since 9/11?

$8.1 BILLION a year it costs.

the TSA is quoted as admitting that "there have been no attempted domestic hijackings of any kind in the 12 years since 9/11."

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...irplanes.shtml

DWB

But there is the rub, it won't happen. Unless the fight is brought to American soil and the USA becomes a battle ground, it isn't going to happen.


Parts of it are heading that way.

I travel all over the world, often to real police states, so I have a real reference here and am not just talking out of my ass. I have less hassles in communist countries like Laos, Vietnam, Cuba, and China than I do in my home country. Wrap your head around that for a minute. How could that even be possible? How could the only place in the world, besides at a border crossing or airport, that I've ever been asked to "show my papers" and then treated like a criminal for no reason whatsoever, is in my home country, and not in the communist regimes that we were taught are so evil?

No matter how you want to spin the fact that your privacy is eroding, and all the CCTV cams, drones, and militarized police are a good thing, they are not. Just be happy you live in a relaxed area and not in one of the more uptight places.



Westerners are not willing to die simply for their belief in God. Western soldiers just do what they are told, and fight the battles they are told to fight. If given a choice, they would choose not to fight. Meanwhile, extremists believe all non believers must die and are willing to sacrifice themselves in the process. Until that changes, Muslim extremists have the upper hand. That is just the way it is.

Shagbunny

Richard Dawkins is brilliant, I follow him on Facebook as his page is really interesting with many updates daily

Vendzilla

Let's face it, the scary thing in our lives in the Government
It was them that voted to go to war in a region that has been at war for a thousand years. We got involved and pissed a bunch of people off and they figured out how to attack us. The government didn't have the cold war anymore and yield more power when we are at war with someone.

That's why we are still there. Now we just send in drones.

So here we are, losing more rights than we even know of, they control how we fly, how we drive, how we work, what health plans we have and we have lost all privacy.
They have taken over. Soon, our voting rights will be lost to illegal aliens. There are more unemployed that have fallen off the unemployed insurance than are on it. Middle class in disappearing. Government agencies are growing in power with Executive Orders.

Hell, we can be told that a new law will not effect peoples insurance over and over again, just to find out many will lose their insurance, a complete lie, and still people will defend the person for saying those lies.

All the time they are saying it's for the better good

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Agreed 100%

Bin Laden (and the U.S. Govt.'s overreaction) have transformed us after 9-11.

But when you really think about it, it was just a dozen guys with fucking box cutters!
And the airlines put a stop to that ever happening again when they put steel locked doors on the pilot cabin.

And yet we are all treated like criminals when we try to fly somewhere. And we are spending billions and billions of dollars on the fucking TSA (which if I were Pres. would be shut down tomorrow)

So yes, "terror" means "fear". I'd say Bin Laden "won".

We are too fucking scared to get on an airplane without being treated like criminals and allowing strangers to sift through our personal belongings, xray us naked, and frisk us.

I know I'm not scared. Planes used to get hijacked and bombed all the time, and yet the world still turned and we still didn't have to give up our freedoms.

But now? People are more than happy to be searched because they are scared.

And when someone stands up against it? Rochard calls them a "jackass".

And it's not just Rochard. It's millions of scared people who think it's necessary to have an organization like the TSA and to be searched.

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mstyanda

My house has never been robbed or burned down either, yet I still carry homeowners insurance. I have never been at fault in a car accident to appreciate the full value of my car insurance either, but I still spend the money on it. I spend a few grand a year for my various insurances for the sake of basically protecting just me. 8.1 billion a year to protect billions of people seems about comparable in the grand scheme of things.

Then there is the theory that while it is true there have been no attempted hijackings could the reason why be because of the presence of the TSA? Look at the Boston Marathon. Had that happened on a plane whether hijacked or not there would be a lot more than 3 casualties I am quite sure.

Also while they say there have been no hijack attempts there certainly have been tons of attempts to take all kinds of actual weapons, chemicals and small explosives on planes. Who knows what their game plan was had they ever actually made it on the plane.

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Robbie

So it's been 12 years since "9-11" and we are to think that spending billions and billions of dollars and being treated like criminals has made us "safe".

Okay...let's look at the 12 years BEFORE 9-11 when there was no TSA...
There was ONE incident from 1989 to 2001 on a U.S. flight.
ONE.

Here it is:
"1994: FedEx Flight 705 experienced an attempted hijack by disgruntled employee Auburn Calloway as it left Memphis, Tennessee, with the intention of using it as a cruise missile against FedEx HQ. He was subdued by the flight crew before an emergency landing back at Memphis"

So a disgruntled employee attempted to hijack a cargo plane and failed. Lol.

There ya go. The FACTS.

And now we are spending all this money and being treated like criminals...all over a dozen guys with fucking box cutters back in 2001.

It's so goddamn insane that I can't even wrap my head around how any of you can justify that.

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