i can certainly go back and find my post that stated "rest assured that an nsa team was assigned to this to make sure no more bugs are found".

i.e., the changes are that it is going deeper and more widespread, again, something i posted at least once in this thread alone

sorry buddy. :)

You just glommed(SP?) that off my *sneakier* post! :winkwink:

dang, you too! i think i stated this back on page 1, maybe page 2. i guess i'll have to drag it up! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

post #79 :winkwink:

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generally we do. (in theory). you always have the right to modify, view and change your personal data collected by some commercial service (like signing up for example to travel agency and booking there trip, or signing up to bookstore etc. etc.

like I said - in theory. I heard that in USA also exists can-spam email acts, yet USA is one of most spammed and spamming countries....

well we are one step in the right direction. I am not sure why you feel everyone thinks him as a 'hero' for no reason.

Whistleblowing IS the reason. and yes, that is possible to occur even without the presence of 'good'

and to the moron who feels that russia has a 'sordid' history.. highly amusing that our whistleblower uncovering massive government spying and intimidation, would be discredited by being exiled to such a 'not free' country...

ahhh...post 14 :)

i don't mind when anyone doesn't mind the things the NSA does - i do though

and i am happy that we (the public) know more now than some months ago and I wish to thank Snowden for that

and fyi dynamo i dont use facebook, twitter and I use encryption and anon services while using google :1orglaugh

can you imagine that ;-)

drat! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

cool, again, in which nation do you claim citizenship?

there is a reason that most of revolutions are made by young people......

i get your point...i just argue here on this forum as i dont have anything to do better now...
but the point is: you wont change my view and probably i wont change yours. I just feel sad for people who thinks that Snowden is traitor.... like someone said before: ideal useful idiots for goverment, brainwashed...
i'm sorry for this personal attack to all good guys, peace :)

it is secret :>....its not in North America though :)

i've never said snowden is a traitor.

i've said he's a not smart snoop who is not a hero.

i see. so you come to argue about usa freedom - point your finger and such, then hide where you live.

classic gfyer.

actually I said the US government is almost impossible to insult :1orglaugh I actually agree that I fail in insulting the US gov no matter what I write :1orglaugh

cant help but find humor in the fact that a traitor founded country like the USA, condemns people who release truthful documents, as traitors whilst spying on the whole world :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

the mental gymnastics are olympic :1orglaugh

your government is a corrupt lying spying floor mop...you know it is...

we are not talking about usa freedom, but on freedom in general.... actually spying that NSA was doing was directed on abroad countries. and I know that other agencies from other countries do the same thing...and we need more whistleblowers like ES ;-) from each country :)

this isn't a step in the right direction, it's where i've been all along.

sure whistleblowing is a reason and obviously nothing good other than the reveal itself is coming from it

and that is exactly my point about why snowden is not a hero. he didn't do anything great, he didn't do anything brave. nothing good is resulting from what he did. no one is better off now. and even more importantly, several things are worse.

what would be "smart" thing to do for him ? continue his work for 200k year and "sleep well" ?
go to media in usa and wait for "honest" proccess ? it was smart thing to do what de done, as he wants to live too...

like every goverment.....

well, we all know this is not true. but let's say it is, it makes your comments look even less genuine.

awareness of people is bigger and there is public debate, so he did what he wanted...

what you said, it doesnt value that much as argument..as there is no argument there...

eot from me, i go to watch movie :)

Touche' on the revolution statement..

I am the same, I am in the office today,reviewing year end financials..and frankly it is BORING with capital B... As far as Snowden being a traitor, I just think he is a kid who thought he will make the world a better place. And all he really did is screw up his world for himself.

Back in the early 70's there were these fellows that exploded an ANFO bomb at the Army math research center here in Madison. 2 brothers(Armstrongs) and 2 other friends(David Fine & Leo Burt). They did that to demonstrate against the war in Vietnam. However, they didn't know that a student was busy working in the building at the time and he was killed.

Eventually, 3 of the 4 were caught and went to jail. The building was repaired,the dead student memorialized. Yet the war went on for nearly 5 more years. It ended when the powers in charge decided they wanted it ended.

At the end of the day, the 4 men succeeded only in killing an innocent student and messing up their own lives.

how would i know what the smart thing is for a snoop who lied to get a job then breached his job boundaries to snoop on the snoops then ran away to china, clinging to 99% of the documents, then on to another human-rights violating nation where he then used all the documents he had as a bargaining chip in his *safety*?

we dont have a government :1orglaugh if we pick the wrong guys US gov democratically bomb us, so we have the guys your government supports :thumbsup technically speaking its the remote US corporate government acting like they are our government :1orglaugh...as are the governments of the surrounding regions...US installed...

its nice to actually have your own government like germany or russia...

So what's your point? I am not my government. I voted.

But you must realize that people like Obama are transient. They come they go. The people with names no one knows that are entrenched for years in government are the ones that really are the powerbase.

again, what he wanted has made things worse. i mean rly, who gives a shit what a fucking snoop wants? public debate? what's to debate? nothign about the reveal is being debated, many already know govs spy on each other/

what is being debated is whether or not snowden is a hero. and really, are we really that desperate for heroes in 2013 that we have to find an ex-snoop who ran away and used the documents as a bargaining chip in his safety as a hero?

isn't that kinda sad? that there are no better heroes?

Might not even be wise to post about it. :( :uhoh


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I never held you responsible for the actions of your government. Americans equate a (verbal) attack on their government as an attack on their country in general or as a personal attack. Same goes for the army.

I was specific in my post "the US government is almost impossible to insult"

If I suddenly stop posting you can assume you were correct.

considering the way the law is set up? he's communicating about all those things, with foreigners.

i'm sure for 95 % that you are from Former Yugoslavia (but not Macedonia) ? ;-) :) am I right ;-) ?

yup...3 US installed governments one next to the other :1orglaugh

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Lots of good came from it in some peoples eyes apparently. There was some feigned outrage from foreign leaders who are embarrassed to be publicly outed that they can't provide their head of state with a secure phone. This is then all followed with some feel good meetings of heads of state to continue to express feigned outrage to appease their voters. There will be some fake governmental policy reviews. There will likely be some new toothless laws which are most often worded in such a way that nothing really changes. There will be agency policy changes where the new policies will really just be the old policies as all laws pertaining to intelligence are filled with countless exceptions and caveats.

And... all the naive idiots of the world will get to say "see, things are different now" as their own government and foreign governments continue to monitor their phone calls, emails, text messages and other various digital communications... so they'll be happy and docile for another 5-10 years willfully ignoring the blatantly obvious truths of intelligence gathering and all allied governments cooperation in the very same things they claim to be outraged about.

We are in the middle of the second decade of common knowledge the USA and certain cooperating nations are monitoring all digital communications... but this won't slow any of the morons down from pretending to be outraged in 10 years when the subject comes up again.

Pretending to be upset at this or pretending anything is changed is a bit like giving the homeless junkie at the intersection $10.00. Its a feel good move that is quite literally the most selfish, self serving and obviously ineffectual gesture that allows them to get through the rest of the day patting themselves on the back saying 'see, i care' - as the junkie then takes that $10.00 to go OD on black tar heroin. That is the voting public.

there are now full blown press conferences with Obama about NSA spying and the White House is in full retreat- talking about limitations, transparancy, etc... Thanks Snowden.

He was programmed by his father from childhood to be an anti-gov nut job and his motives were all out espionage from the beginning...but hey he made the big sacrifice and we are all reaping benefits from it now.

Thanks man - sorry you have to live under hard core iron curtain surveilance now for the rest of your life (I'm sure he's under video now when he wipes his ass)...

Bummer but I bet you will end up hating Russian Gov far more than you ever did the US.