ya'll posting in a camgirl troll thread

i didn't post that for you. lolz. you make it very clear very many times that you do not care. that's pretty much all you post in fact. don't care. i get it.... we get it.

i posted it for the folks that understand how out of control and automatic and widespread the nsa snooping is.


snowden's only amplified that.

and thats the sad irony of history (being protected by "freedom lovers" ex KGB guys). and Swowden, asked in June (before landing in moscow) by glen greenwald what he thinks that will happen with him said : "probably nothing good".... so, yes you are right....
anyway Russians and Putin killed Litvienko guy (google it) and Litvienko was loudly saying that Putin came to power by false flags operations (bombs in apartaments in Russia in 1999)..and he was saying many other things actually, not so good about Russian goverment....
Snowden wanted to have some debate not on him but on leaks and tech issues that leaks are about...And thats what is going on in the world...well, at least in that part of world who "thinks". so i think that he is still hero....
all powers and govs are the same - they want more power and control...it doesnt matter if its Russian gov, French, German or American...the rest is up to society if they allow small fraction to control rest....and Snowden leaks are saying about some VERY dangerous situation in current democracies...imagine how powerfull is database of action of every human being (who uses phones and Internet) and his believs, thoughts, actions, friends, networks and so on...
now take best mathematics in the world, let them make algoritms on human behavior and its like predicting future (almost)...I still believe in chaos , not in orders, govs and money and power greedy and hungry people....

yes its real, and as "advanced" internet user you should already know that...;-)

Putin was in power well before the apartment bombings. Putin was President the moment he was named Prime Minister. The election was 6 months out and that gave him 6 months to campaign to gain the popular vote. Putin came to power because it was put to Yeltsin (who was little more than a babbling, incoherent drunk and pill junkie in his last couple years) that if he resigned, he and his daughter would not be prosecuted for all the theft, corruption and abuses of power. Putin was decided to be President of Russia more than 6 months before he was appointed Prime Minister by Yeltsin... the actual election was 6 months later after Yeltsin resigned. The bombings were a pretext to attacking Chechnya again. Putins main promise in his campaign was to destroy the Chechen rebels. The apartment bombings, though sad, were real. Though its often impossible to know what is real and what isn't in a world of secrets and lies, I did know someone who was on the prosecutors team in the apartment bombings. Besides, there is nothing magic or technically difficult about placing 50kilos of cheap explosives in the ground floor of a concrete panel building that by design, is built to fall like a house of cards. There was however no shortage of bad propaganda leading up to the 2nd war with Chechnya constantly showing staged "battles" by "rebels" etc. The problems with Chechnya were also very real and they were a very real threat in the region and to the safety and security of both Russia and neighboring states.

The "false flag" stuff is usual conspiracy theorist nonsense. What is very real, is how Moscow capitalized on the events (apartment bombings, Chechen rebel raids into Dagestan etc) to blow them up into more than they were and keep people in a frenzy (with operation whirlwind and crap like that which affected every single person practically in the nation).

Snowden has made some claims but so far he hasn't proven anything although he has tens of thousands of documents. No one has been arrested, and to date the only one who seems to have broken the law is Snowden himself.

Everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon saying "I don't want my emails being read" without understanding that the NSA isn't reading our emails in bulk.

fuck the NSA ! I don't want my emails being read in bulk!! :mad::mad:

i'm with you, fuck that shit! :warning

you get my point...it helped him to "strengthup" his image in public... and it was false flag....

and if you'd look into human's history, then you'd know that false flags ops are real and not (always) made by conspiration theorists :)

he came to power in 1999, exactly enough to prepare September operations...especially for the guy who was exKGB and who was chief of FSB (former KGB) in the same 1999

Then you are traitors.

if they read them 1 at a time i'd be ok with that, but bulk reading- no.

yeah! one at a time is ok so they understand the exact context of them mails I be sending! bulk reading is not ok!! we need to start a petition :mad::mad:

now look who profited from 9/11, what changed in politics and you will get point....

i have the sneaky suspicion you are about to be intellectually dominated. i'd buckle up.

I agree. :thumbsup

the dude is a 100% hero, thanks to him we all know how dirty the US gov is towards their own people and their partners. This guy should get a Nobel prize

by you ?

you already proved yourself in many posts here :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

yes, i've proven common sense. and that i think a hero does something heroic and valuable. not destuctive and cowardly

you've proven you fall for conspiracy thoeories and think a coward that has done absolutely nothing good for anything or anybody is someone you look up to.

got it.

hero
: a person who is admired for great or brave acts or fine qualities

there is nothing great about snowden, he was a snoop who snooped on snoops.

there is nothing brave in snowden. he stole shit and ran for safe haven in communist countries that are historically human rights violators and then used 95% of what he stole as a bargaining chip in his *safety*.

there are no fine qualities about snowden. snowden is a snoop who lied to get a snoop job, went beyond his job boundaries to access the data he stole and then ran away.


nevermind the fact he has done more damage than good, he's not a hero by definition.

Bullshit!

He is a patriot and certainly a hero. If there had been more people like him the USA might not have been sold out and become the pathetic joke that it has become.

WAKE UP - the rest of the world is learning the truth and they are pissed!

and you fall for bull...it ;-)

despite Snowden's good intentions some people and some govs could be actually happy from Trust Crisis on EU-USA or South America- USA... (well, S.America actually never had to trust USA that much ;-), so...)
this is politics...and this is repercussion of Snowden leaks...
each gov is spying, I only hope that public debate started and more and more people will start using cryptography and be more concious of net privacy and so on :)

i'll ask again,

what good has snowden done?

just 1 thing even.

name 1 single good thing that has resulted from what snowden did.

he explosed that the US Gov is spying on their own citizens
he exposed the NSA is spying on all their partners and this is pretty intense and big
he showed that the US Gov is doing this just to collect info to gain more power/knowledge

he risks his own life to come out with this info, not many people do that

my question is not what he did, but what good came from it.

we all are quite familiar with the expose, what good has come from that?

he didn't risk his life. well, up until he ended up in russia he didn't risk his life. if he had any brains, he would have been able to learn that his nsa snoopy colleagues before him who exposed the nsa are still alive and well and living their lives in their own homes in the usa.

the results are not good, think that the good old US lost some credibility

everybody loses. don't get me wrong. the expose was bad news. i get that. i also separate the message from the messenger, the message can be important and the messenger can still be a dolt.

but watch, this will cause a bigger embracing of snooping. more nations will snoop deeper and broader and tech will *progress* with even more snoopiary devices that are cloaked, hidden, not known, wtfever.

this is not going to cause snoops to throw-away all their fancy tech, very very much the opposite.

the only ones who he is destructive against are the people who suppress your freedom. And you are defending these people. It boggles my mind how a citizen (you) is defending a privacy invading, big brother police state who steps on your freedom like it's dogshit on a sidewalk. Think it's time to wake up now.

i defy you to find 1 post i've ever made defending what you said.

again, just 1.

you snowden fanbois get so blown away by the rotor wash of this that you choose not to even read.

it's just more proof that many of you can't think in terms of complex processes.

Sorry to say but you see it wrong, the totally trust in the US went from X to zero, atleast that is what you hear/feel here in Europe. I hope it will not affect the US economy since we all know that JP and CN are keeping the US on live support

i don't see shit wrong. since when is total trust of the usa in europe going from x to zero a good thing?

it's not. for anyone. economic meetings between nations have already been canceled due to this.

that's what i keep stating- nothing good came from this, not 1 single thing.

what good came from it?

the world finally took note of the massive illegal spying that was going on?

talk about a fucking easy one. jesus.

again, how is that good?

how is taking note of the fact that the nsa snooped merkel's phone good?

Pig shit. There has been military...industrial...scientific and medical spying...the eintireity of every ones life on this earth...by every nation that has the ability to spy. Persons from various countries are periodically caught and those on the receiving end squawk loudly for as long as they can then the squawking slowly goes away and it is back to business as usual. Actually it is not really back to business as the spying neverr stops.

note to self:

nsa snooped merkel's phone


got it. now what.

check my phone for bug/ not call merkel? complain on adult forum?

if it were good you all would not be talkig about it on your isp-provided internet, facebooking it to friends, googling it on goog, emailing, texting, chatting, icquing, tweeting, etc.

you would value your privacy and take responsibility for it by shutting down the access points the snoops use.

no, it's business as usuall for the snoops, moreso now, rest assured, there's been a team assigned to making sure no other bugs on dignitaries are discovered

and it's business as usual for the rest of us who us all the tech the tech use to snoop on us.

let's at least be honest about that.

how is it good that all the illegal spying on reporters, dissidents, local leaders, world leaders, has become 'mainstream news'?

may you do me a favour? you mind explaining how that's bad?