Obama: 'This is the moment' to get immigration reform done

[Vendzilla]

Really?

38 countries are pissed at us for spying on them using the NSA

Obamacare website is a major fuck up, no one can sign up and CMS told the white house about it and they launched the site anyways. Obama of course denies knowing anything about it. I'm surprised that he's not blaming Bush for it.

And now he wants to reform immigration?

Fix what you started , damn this is the worse president in history!!!

[keysync]

Business as usual.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Really?

38 countries are pissed at us for spying on them using the NSA

Obamacare website is a major fuck up, no one can sign up and CMS told the white house about it and they launched the site anyways. Obama of course denies knowing anything about it. I'm surprised that he's know blaming Bush for it.

And now he wants to reform immigration?

Fix what you started , damn this is the worse president in history!!!

I think it will be close but...I think history will select President Bush as being the worse President.

[PornMD]

[bronco67]

This is Obama throwing out a piece of meat for the Republicans to bite into. But they're too butt-hurt and stupid to realize its a life line for their dead party.

[kane]

Originally Posted by bronco67

This is Obama throwing out a piece of meat for the Republicans to bite into. But they're too butt-hurt and stupid to realize its a life line for their dead party.

Right now the republicans are going off about the Obamacare websites. The funny thing is none of the Obamacare stuff actually goes into effect until January. So long as they have it fixed and running smoothly by then all will be forgiven.

The republicans will also have to switch their fight to immigration reform. If Obama gets his way it could make millions legal and those people will likely vote democrat.

I was reading a few weeks ago about how there is so many Mexicans moving into Texas that it could turn Texas into a blue state in the next 10 years.

[Due]

Originally Posted by kane

Right now the republicans are going off about the Obamacare websites. The funny thing is none of the Obamacare stuff actually goes into effect until January. So long as they have it fixed and running smoothly by then all will be forgiven.

The republicans will also have to switch their fight to immigration reform. If Obama gets his way it could make millions legal and those people will likely vote democrat.

I was reading a few weeks ago about how there is so many Mexicans moving into Texas that it could turn Texas into a blue state in the next 10 years.

I'm an immigrant, I'm waiting for my kids to get a green card. While they wait they can't travel out anything, why not make it easier to get a green card? USA is build by immigrants from all over the work

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by kane

Right now the republicans are going off about the Obamacare websites. The funny thing is none of the Obamacare stuff actually goes into effect until January. So long as they have it fixed and running smoothly by then all will be forgiven.

The republicans will also have to switch their fight to immigration reform. If Obama gets his way it could make millions legal and those people will likely vote democrat.

I was reading a few weeks ago about how there is so many Mexicans moving into Texas that it could turn Texas into a blue state in the next 10 years.

I'll take Mexicans over rednecks any fucking day. Let 'em have it.

[bronco67]

Also, the GOP is fucked both ways. If they vote against helping immigrants, they can rule out getting any Latino vote in any upcoming election. If they vote for it, like Kane said -- fresh democrats to vote against them.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I'll take Mexicans over rednecks any fucking day. Let 'em have it.

You won't be thinking that in a few years unless you are Mexican.

L.A. is in full-on slum-i-fication mode. The US middle class tax base is starting to flee the country. In 8 years I will be a citizen of another country.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Also, the GOP is fucked both ways. If they vote against helping immigrants, they can rule out getting any Latino vote in any upcoming election. If they vote for it, like Kane said -- fresh democrats to vote against them.

Republicans have successfully redistricted themselves into office for a long long time. Many Latinos are not as blue as you think. Caesar Chavez was not that blue. He was against illegal immigration, for example. That's why he is not the poster child for activists.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Republicans have successfully redistricted themselves into office for a long long time. Many Latinos are not as blue as you think. Caesar Chavez was not that blue. He was against illegal immigration, for example. That's why he is not the poster child for activists.

Every 10 years...

[Vendzilla]

Wow, you guys went all dem's vs gop?
It's the president that is the OP
The Obamacare website is just the tip of things, the actual costs are going to piss people off when it hits them. Deductibles and copays are really high to keep the insurance itself low. This is going to cost working people a lot of money and benefit only people that are poor.
Having the world pissed at you because of us spying on them is not going to help world relations and that's a very bad thing for trade

[Rochard]

Grow the fuck up.

Thirty-eight countries are pissed because what they've known all along - and every administration has been doing since the beginning of time - has become common knowledge. Cry me a fucking river. Anyone who didn't think this was happening daily is stupid.

The website will be fixed. Build a bridge and get over it.

Now, let's talk about immigration. Yesterday I saw Obamaboy saying we need to give "those here illegally" incentive to become legal. Bullshit. Anyone here illegally needs to be arrested, period. They are breaking the law, period. Lock them up and then send them home.

[Sly]

"This is the moment for deflection", is what he meant to say. And it worked. Read this thread again.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Grow the fuck up.

Thirty-eight countries are pissed because what they've known all along - and every administration has been doing since the beginning of time - has become common knowledge. Cry me a fucking river. Anyone who didn't think this was happening daily is stupid.

The website will be fixed. Build a bridge and get over it.

Now, let's talk about immigration. Yesterday I saw Obamaboy saying we need to give "those here illegally" incentive to become legal. Bullshit. Anyone here illegally needs to be arrested, period. They are breaking the law, period. Lock them up and then send them home.

I doubt that the U.S. has enough money to lock them up and then send them home...especially over and over and over again.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by theking

I doubt that the U.S. has enough money to lock them up and then send them home...especially over and over and over again.

you guys have been doing it for 100 years

create some hubbub about the evil mexicans, submit legislation that would make your founding fathers revolt again, and then over a million go back home

rinse repeat, every 20 years

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I'll take Mexicans over rednecks any fucking day. Let 'em have it.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Really?

38 countries are pissed at us for spying on them using the NSA

Obamacare website is a major fuck up, no one can sign up and CMS told the white house about it and they launched the site anyways. Obama of course denies knowing anything about it. I'm surprised that he's not blaming Bush for it.

And now he wants to reform immigration?

Fix what you started , damn this is the worse president in history!!!

anything to take attention off obama care

[theking]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

anything to take attention off obama care

There is not anything that he can do about the website...he is not a programmer...he has ordered people to fix it...it will play out one way or the other. So yes he needs to move on to other things.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

There is not anything that he can do about the website...he is not a programmer...he has ordered people to fix it...it will play out one way or the other. So yes he needs to move on to other things.

I disagree. He needs to own this and fix it before moving to something else and fucking it up
I still want the economy fixed.

He keeps boasting about all the new jobs he has created
In California, there are more people unemployed and not getting unemployment than those getting unemployment.

[Dead]

Originally Posted by theking

There is not anything that he can do about the website...he is not a programmer...he has ordered people to fix it...it will play out one way or the other. So yes he needs to move on to other things.

Give the guy a break! We all failed at our first web site

and the POS, whoops POtuS should have way more important things to fucking worry about then this project, it failed, he failed. Period

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by theking

I doubt that the U.S. has enough money to lock them up and then send them home...especially over and over and over again.

That can be a huge issue. However, I think the jails out here on the west coast are basically run by Hispanics. It's just a matter of numbers - we have a high percent of Hispanics here. (Don't you watch Sons Of Anarchy?)

My wife is a confirmed Democrat, and when I saw Obama say this on TV I commented and she's like "What did you just say". Sorry, I am not a full time Obama fan.

We already have a route for people to become US citizens, and breaking the law and coming here illegally is not one of them. If you try to give these law breakers citizenship, two things happen:
1) You get citizens that have already broken a lot of laws in the US and will continue to do so
2) You encourage others to come here illegally.

We cannot do this.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I disagree. He needs to own this and fix it before moving to something else and fucking it up
I still want the economy fixed.

He keeps boasting about all the new jobs he has created
In California, there are more people unemployed and not getting unemployment than those getting unemployment.

He has owned it...and he has ordered it to be fixed...and that is all he can do about the website...period. How do you expect the President to fix the economy?

I told you a long time ago...that in my opinion...the golden days are over...all of those people that are unemployed will for the most part remain unemployed. The jobs that are gone will never return. The economy is and has been showing growth ever since Obama has been President...low growth...but the corporations are worth more than ever in history...the number of people becoming millionaires are growing in numbers...the stock market is doing very well and is getting higher and higher.

The number of poor people are growing and will continue to grow...because of population growth and new technologies replacing workers...the middle class is shrinking...more of them are moving into the upper middle class...some are moving into the lower middle class or even lower.

BTW...to be poor in America is to be rich in more that 50% of the countries on this earth.

Times have changed and will not regress...end of story.

BTW...the constitution gave/gives very little domestic power to the office of the Presidency. He is basically just a figure head when it comes to domestic issues. His primary power domestically is he has the bully pulpit. It is the Congress that has the domestic power and controls the purse strings. At least one poll only gave the Congress a 5% approval rating...but guess what come the elections almost every one holding office will be reelected.

[Sarah_Jayne]

I wasn't aware that we can only deal with one issue at a time now.

[adendreams]

Vendzilla looks like hes getting close to the breaking point...white rage is a powerful high.

The Republicans have crippled themselves so badly with the ill-conceived shutdown, looks like they will lose the house...so yea might as well get immigration done now and kick the far right in the belly while they are down.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by theking

....all of those people that are unemployed will for the most part remain unemployed....

My wife and I went to Subway for lunch today and there was a new woman working behind the counter. It was very sad. She must have been 35-40 years old, and making a sandwich was kicking her ass. It's a fucking Subway sandwich, it's not fucking rocket science. First thing you need to make the sandwich is the bread. She grabs the meet and then looks around like she's missing something and can't seem to figure it out.

Some people just aren't unemployable, and others will never rise above minimum wage.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by theking

BTW...the constitution gave/gives very little domestic power to the office of the Presidency. He is basically just a figure head when it comes to domestic issues. His primary power domestically is he has the bully pulpit. It is the Congress that has the domestic power and controls the purse strings.

Unless it's EVIL BUSH of course.

He had absolute power over everything and even now poor Obama's troubles are ALL caused by BUSH.

The ObamaCare website doesn't work? Bush did it.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Rochard

My wife and I went to Subway for lunch today and there was a new woman working behind the counter. It was very sad. She must have been 35-40 years old, and making a sandwich was kicking her ass. It's a fucking Subway sandwich, it's not fucking rocket science. First thing you need to make the sandwich is the bread. She grabs the meet and then looks around like she's missing something and can't seem to figure it out.

Some people just aren't unemployable, and others will never rise above minimum wage.

It may have also been her first day on the job and she was nervous. I know in my life the first day I started some jobs, even if I knew what I was doing, I was nervous and wasn't fantastic at it.

I wouldn't call her unemployable until she has had a little time on the job to practice it.

If a few weeks have gone by and she still sucks then yeah, she has issues.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by adendreams

Vendzilla looks like hes getting close to the breaking point...white rage is a powerful drug

I keep telling you he is gonna snap. He got hit on the head in a bar fight and he's never been the same since. He's off his rocker.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by kane

It may have also been her first day on the job and she was nervous. I know in my life the first day I started some jobs, even if I knew what I was doing, I was nervous and wasn't fantastic at it.

I wouldn't call her unemployable until she has had a little time on the job to practice it.

If a few weeks have gone by and she still sucks then yeah, she has issues.

She told us it was her fourth day but if she's thirty-five or forty years old and just starting an entry level job.... That pretty much says it all.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Unless it's EVIL BUSH of course.

He had absolute power over everything and even now poor Obama's troubles are ALL caused by BUSH.

The ObamaCare website doesn't work? Bush did it.

All Presidents take the bulk of the blame...current and past.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Rochard

She told us it was her fourth day but if she's thirty-five or forty years old and just starting an entry level job.... That pretty much says it all.

She was laid off from her job at a company that she worked for since she graduated from UC Stanford 20 years ago. She worked as an IT and was making 92 grand a year. She had not made a sandwich since she was a teen and had made a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. That is the rest of the story...goood day!

[kane]

Originally Posted by Rochard

She told us it was her fourth day but if she's thirty-five or forty years old and just starting an entry level job.... That pretty much says it all.

You would think at her fourth day she would be a little better and not completely lost.

I won't judge why she is at this job at that age. Shit happens in life.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by kane

You would think at her fourth day she would be a little better and not completely lost.

I won't judge why she is at this job at that age. Shit happens in life.

but judging is all we have!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by theking

She was laid off from her job at a company that she worked for since she graduated from UC Stanford 20 years ago. She worked as an IT and was making 92 grand a year. She had not made a sandwich since she was a teen and had made a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. That is the rest of the story...goood day!

LOL. No.

This chick never went to college, and never worked in IT. I am guessing she never made more than minimum wage a day in her life.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Rochard

LOL. No.

This chick never went to college, and never worked in IT. I am guessing she never made more than minimum wage a day in her life.

She was married to a guy for the past 20 years that provided her with an envious life style. She lived in a mansion. She had a full time maid...drove a new Lincoln SUV that was traded in every two years for another new one. She had $100,000 line of credit at a club in Reno. She was living the life. Three years ago her husband had his first and last heart attack. She soon learned that he was in debt up to his neck...she sadly watched as debt collectors slowly but surely took all of her possessions and life style away from her untill it was all gone. She had never worked a day in her life...had zero skills...only had a high school diploma...so after an entire year of searching for a job...living in her rundown 1990 Ford Van...she found a job making sandwiches. She was and is so happy to have a job but was and is so nervous to do well she can hardly function. And that is the rest of the story...goood day!

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Really?

38 countries are pissed at us for spying on them using the NSA

Obamacare website is a major fuck up, no one can sign up and CMS told the white house about it and they launched the site anyways. Obama of course denies knowing anything about it. I'm surprised that he's not blaming Bush for it.

And now he wants to reform immigration?

Fix what you started , damn this is the worse president in history!!!

Seriously dude is there a single fucking thing that Obama could do, that you wouldn't bitch and moan about? The right has used immigration reform as a campaign promise for the last 3 elections and now you don't support it because Obama does? Really?

Can you even say one thing that Obama has done that you approve of?

[slapass]

The illegals prop up ss. They get fake cards and pay in but can't ever collect. So of course the republicans are against stopping that. Their fan base is all on ss or soon will be.

[kane]

Originally Posted by theking

She was married to a guy for the past 20 years that provided her with an envious life style. She lived in a mansion. She had a full time maid...drove a new Lincoln SUV that was traded in every two years for another new one. She had $100,000 line of credit at a club in Reno. She was living the life. Three years ago her husband had his first and last heart attack. She soon learned that he was in debt up to his neck...she sadly watched as debt collectors slowly but surely took all of her possessions and life style away from her untill it was all gone. She had never worked a day in her life...had zero skills...only had a high school diploma...so after an entire year of searching for a job...living in her rundown 1990 Ford Van...she found a job making sandwiches. She was and is so happy to have a job but was and is so nervous to do well she can hardly function. And that is the rest of the story...goood day!

It actually isn't to see that she could have been married and was as stay at home mom who hasn't worked at all for the lat 10-15 years then got divorced, has no real work experience or job training and now needs to provide for her kids so she is working at Subway for now while trying to figure out what to do.

A friend of mine's wife is just that way. She was 22 when they were married and she was pregnant when they got married. The only job she ever had was part time as a waitress. She hasn't worked for the last 15 or 16 years. If they got divorced she would be screwed.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by slapass

The illegals prop up ss. They get fake cards and pay in but can't ever collect. So of course the republicans are against stopping that. Their fan base is all on ss or soon will be.

Umm did you happen to pay attention to any US election in the past 10 years? Illegal immigration has been one of Republicans top bitches and moans. They have supposedly wanted to stop illegals from entering the country for years and years.

Have you not heard about the fences they kept trying to build? Ironically, while Bush was in office they never seemed to worried about it but the last two elections that was one of their big deals.

In fact this is just one of the many topics where Vendzilla bitched about illegals..

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1006...ht=immigration

and another..

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=9862...ht=immigration

and another..

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=9809...ht=immigration

Seems it was a big deal to Vendzilla, until Obama decided to work on it, now he's against it.. go figure..

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by crockett

Umm did you happen to pay attention to any US election in the past 10 years? Illegal immigration has been one of Republicans top bitches and moans. They have supposedly wanted to stop illegals from entering the country for years and years.

Have you not heard about the fences they kept trying to build? Ironically, while Bush was in office they never seemed to worried about it but the last two elections that was one of their big deals.

Wait until you see some of the shit that was on Maddow tonight. The second segment had a whole 15 minute thing about this guy...it's already been labeled the most racist Daily Show interview ever.



Then after she talks about him, it gets incrementally worse with some other knuckleheads saying stupid shit -- during the week the GOP was supposed to be starting their big "get more ethnic people under our tent" week.

They can't get out of their own way.

On FOX news, they sit around and bitch and speculate about everything that's bad about liberals. But MSNBC has a constant supply of retarded hijinks by members of the GOP. It's not a liberal conspiracy. It's all captured on video. These are the low class maggots that occupy space in our government.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by crockett

Seriously dude is there a single fucking thing that Obama could do, that you wouldn't bitch and moan about? The right has used immigration reform as a campaign promise for the last 3 elections and now you don't support it because Obama does? Really?

Can you even say one thing that Obama has done that you approve of?

At the very least you have to give him credit for being so damn consistant.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by theking

She was married to a guy for the past 20 years that provided her with an envious life style. She lived in a mansion. She had a full time maid...drove a new Lincoln SUV that was traded in every two years for another new one. She had $100,000 line of credit at a club in Reno. She was living the life. Three years ago her husband had his first and last heart attack. She soon learned that he was in debt up to his neck...she sadly watched as debt collectors slowly but surely took all of her possessions and life style away from her untill it was all gone. She had never worked a day in her life...had zero skills...only had a high school diploma...so after an entire year of searching for a job...living in her rundown 1990 Ford Van...she found a job making sandwiches. She was and is so happy to have a job but was and is so nervous to do well she can hardly function. And that is the rest of the story...goood day!

Her time would be better spent learning how to deep throat cock all over again.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rochard

At the very least you have to give him credit for being so damn consistant.

Not very consistent when you bitch and moan about immigrants soon as Obama was elected while ignoring it when Bush was in office, because it became a "Right wing" talking point.

Only to then bitch and moan that Obama tries to do something about it. Perhaps if you mean he constantly bitches and moans about Obama..