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dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

I call it as I see it. You mad? Gonna start crying?

lolz, already forgot about your big pig analogy and your lack of time?

fucking dipshit.

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 08:18 AM

waaa, i don't have time to actually debate a topic, only time to be a sackless dipshit drive-by troll.

oh wait, i have plenty of time to be a sackless troll.

hahahahahahaha

too fucking funny.

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 08:20 AM

gotta lol @ teh gfy. having a respectful dialogue with anothe gfy'er, a troll has to try and turn the thread into an opportunity to get attention for being a sackless wonder.

MaDalton · 10-24-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i got a lot closer with the post i made above re: euro defense spending and nato, illustrating the lack of germany resources spent on defense, not even the required 2%. and also the lack of ability in the libya crisis.

not saying we don't have interests we are interesting in protecting over there, but the fact is the fact, europe can't defend itself by itself.

2% required by whom?

and not bombing Libya was actually a political decision - like back in the day not assisting to attack Iraq. You see what happened to both countries after you bombed them into freedom...

and once again - defend us against whom?

I am not aware that we are in danger in any way.

Rochard · 10-24-2013, 08:22 AM

All countries do this. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself.

Germany has the Bundesnachrichtendienst, which has three hundred locations in Germany and "other countries". If they aren't spying on other countries, why are they there?

ThunderBalls · 10-24-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

gotta lol @ teh gfy. having a respectful dialogue with anothe gfy'er, a troll has to try and turn the thread into an opportunity to get attention for being a sackless wonder.

Oh lookie, I made the little right wing board whore blow a gasket.

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

I have better things to do than to sit here for hours debating with someone that obviously has the mental capacity of a 10 year old.

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gibberish

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Oh lookie, I made the little right wing board whore blow a gasket.

riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

2% required by whom?

and not bombing Libya was actually a political decision - like back in the day not assisting to attack Iraq. You see what happened to both countries after you bombed them into freedom...

and once again - defend us against whom?

I am not aware that we are in danger in any way.

you're surrounded by friendly democratic nations, of course you are mostly safe. again, it's not my policy, i mentioned earlier i have no idea who your boogie man is. if it's time to move on from ww2, i would agree, as i mentioned.

but as illustrated, the euro defense network is not up to par. not saying we should prop it up, maybe we should, i don't know. but if you don't want that help, i am comfortable enough with how far past ww2 we all are

to clear out of there even more so than we have and let europeans deal with europe. i would vote for that in fact.

Barry-xlovecam · 10-24-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

one nation
under surveillance

Gawd, that is so close to the truth.

In the era of the 1960s and 1970s it was even worse. J. Edgar Hoover's FBI had all sorts of lists and illegal wiretaps domestically and god knows what the CIA was doing.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

All countries do this. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself.

Germany has the Bundesnachrichtendienst, which has three hundred locations in Germany and "other countries". If they aren't spying on other countries, why are they there?

To think otherwise is naïve as hell ...

Snowden's revelations do not surprise me and will have little effect on national security or on national "spying" policy. The allegations just bring public attention to a very long term governmental policy of spying on people. (Long term like back to ancient times.) Tempest in a teapot really.

_Richard_ · 10-24-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Gawd, that is so close to the truth.

In the era of the 1960s and 1970s it was even worse. J. Edgar Hoover's FBI had all sorts of lists and illegal wiretaps domestically and god knows what the CIA was doing.[/INDENT]

God knows, or the Cia, but we really need to find out

Joshua G · 10-24-2013, 08:49 AM

sadly, the military industrial complex has so much power, a mocha chocolate ivy league liberal POTUS is powerless to get it under control.

just wait til the pentagon starts producing killer robots!

sperbonzo · 10-24-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

sadly, the military industrial complex has so much power, a mocha chocolate ivy league liberal POTUS is powerless to get it under control.

You actually buy into the idea that he is trying to do anything to "get it under control"?????

.

ilnjscb · 10-24-2013, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

sadly, the military industrial complex has so much power, a mocha chocolate ivy league liberal POTUS is powerless to get it under control.

just wait til the pentagon starts producing killer robots!

Ummmm he is not powerless at all.

MaDalton · 10-24-2013, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

All countries do this. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself.

Germany has the Bundesnachrichtendienst, which has three hundred locations in Germany and "other countries". If they aren't spying on other countries, why are they there?

you know - comments like this really drive me nuts

of course every country has their own intelligence, it's not a secret

but they do not wiretap Obamas phone and in return we do expect he doesnt wiretap Angies phone

because they are allies

_Richard_ · 10-24-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

you know - comments like this really drive me nuts

of course every country has their own intelligence, it's not a secret

but they do not wiretap Obamas phone and in return we do expect he doesnt wiretap Angies phone

because they are allies

but but!

'keep your enemies close.. '

Joshua G · 10-24-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

You actually buy into the idea that he is trying to do anything to "get it under control"?????

.

well...no i understand he's not doing anything. its just that one would expect a generic liberal would be someone who may try to cut the defense budget as opposed to a generic republican. But there is no difference in the parties anymore. obama = bush.

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 09:12 AM

i'm concerned now about german defenses. if they can let a wiretap through to the chancellor's cell phone, maybe we should have a bigger presence over there.

hahahahahahaha

i keed!

fuck you thundernoballs.

slapass · 10-24-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i got a lot closer with the post i made above re: euro defense spending and nato, illustrating the lack of germany resources spent on defense, not even the required 2%. and also the lack of ability in the libya crisis.

not saying we don't have interests we are interesting in protecting over there, but the fact is the fact, europe can't defend itself by itself.

They probably can. And it is odd as fuck that we feel any need to do it for them at this point. We should drop our spending to 2% of GDP and get out of our debt isssue in a decade.

Joshua G · 10-24-2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Ummmm he is not powerless at all.

well that would be far worse. at least if he were powerless he could pass the buck to his secdef. But what your suggesting is that he has the power to stop the NSA & chooses not to.

sperbonzo · 10-24-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

well that would be far worse. at least if he were powerless he could pass the buck to his secdef. But what your suggesting is that he has the power to stop the NSA & chooses not to.

Not only does he not choose to do anything to stop it, he has actively increased it's power, scope and activities.....

.

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

They probably can. And it is odd as fuck that we feel any need to do it for them at this point. We should drop our spending to 2% of GDP and get out of our debt isssue in a decade.

i would think you are right.

unfortunately, it's one of the few things i am unoptimistic about. a defense needs an enemy. our military industrial complex will make sure there always will be 1+

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 09:30 AM

a great example of that for me is the cold war. when we had big bad russia as an enemy we had zero terrorist enemies. none.

cold war ends and we instantly have terrorist enemies and a lot of em.

Joshua G · 10-24-2013, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

a great example of that for me is the cold war. when we had big bad russia as an enemy we had zero terrorist enemies. none.

cold war ends and we instantly have terrorist enemies and a lot of em.

this is not correct.

there was the 1982 bombing of marines in beirut.

there was libya & quadaffi, who bombed US citizens in nightclubs until reagan responded.

then there was the lockerbee bombing, which was revenge for the US blasting an iranian jetliner out of the sky a year earlier.

pornguy · 10-24-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i don't think that's the point - the point is that Germany is besides the UK and France the biggest NATO ally and you usually don't spy at least on the head of governments of your closest friends

Keep your friends close and trust no one.

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

this is not correct.

there was the 1982 bombing of marines in beirut.

there was libya & quadaffi, who bombed US citizens in nightclubs until reagan responded.

then there was the lockerbee bombing, which was revenge for the US blasting an iranian jetliner out of the sky a year earlier.

sure, you can point to a few examples of foreign terrorism but that's not what i was talking about.

again, i am saying the cold war ended and the military industrial complex needed an enemy to replace russia, terrorism was that enemy.

it's extremely well documented.

Rochard · 10-24-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

you know - comments like this really drive me nuts

of course every country has their own intelligence, it's not a secret

but they do not wiretap Obamas phone and in return we do expect he doesnt wiretap Angies phone

because they are allies

They don't?

I am willing to bet that Germany tries to read all US diplomatic traffic every chance they get; It's in their best interests to do so. Every government is most interested in knowing the position of other governments on a large variety of issues and political matters.

The difference is all countries have the desire, but not all countries have the ability.

Joshua G · 10-24-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

sure, you can point to a few examples of foreign terrorism but that's not what i was talking about.

again, i am saying the cold war ended and the military industrial complex needed an enemy to replace russia, terrorism was that enemy.

it's extremely well documented.

bro, you said there were "zero terrorist enemies. none." perhaps you did not articulate your point adequately.

in any case, the complex did a horrible job identifying terror as the enemy to replace russia. osama declared war on USA in 1998. blew up the USS cole. the complex shrugged. wasnt until 911 & a plane was flown right up its ass did the pentagon care about al qaedas.

the big enemy after the cold war was gonna be china if you recall. The complex was flying planes into china & we had to apologize when one of our planes landed in china.

sandman! · 10-24-2013, 10:18 AM

Relentless · 10-24-2013, 10:23 AM

I'm strongly against the NSA prism program... That being said... does anyone think that was the start of nations trying to spy on each other? If you think Germany never tried to tap Obama's phone... you are naieve at best.

Spying on other nations... is what the entire CIA is supposed to do. Spying on our own citizens without due process is not what any governmental agency is supposed to do.

Barry-xlovecam · 10-24-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

[S]pying on other nations... is what the entire CIA is supposed to do. Spying on our own citizens without due process is not what any governmental agency is supposed to do.

That is what FISA Court is supposed to be for (but 'secret courts' are generally corrupt, point in case). Snowden showed that they are bypassed or are simply lay-downs issuing blanket warrants. So, the FISA law means little to the NSA. That part has to change.

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

bro, you said there were "zero terrorist enemies. none." perhaps you did not articulate your point adequately.

in any case, the complex did a horrible job identifying terror as the enemy to replace russia. osama declared war on USA in 1998. blew up the USS cole. the complex shrugged. wasnt until 911 & a plane was flown right up its ass did the pentagon care about al qaedas.

the big enemy after the cold war was gonna be china if you recall. The complex was flying planes into china & we had to apologize when one of our planes landed in china.

no biggie, i usually go on recollection but,

specifically: there was not a FOCUS or importance placed on terrorism as an enemy.

yes, i recollect china, which belies my point of replacing the enemy. china didn't catch on, terrorism did.

RandyRandy · 10-24-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i would say: the support for Obama is melting faster than an ice cube in hell ;)

Remember 2008, when 200,000 Germans greeting Obama in Berlin, like he was a rock star/second coming of Christ? What a distant, faded memory that has become.

MaDalton · 10-24-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy

Remember 2008, when 200,000 Germans greeting Obama in Berlin, like he was a rock star/second coming of Christ? What a distant, faded memory that has become.

absolutely

_Richard_ · 10-24-2013, 11:41 AM

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Remember 2008, when 200,000 Germans greeting Obama in Berlin, like he was a rock star/second coming of Christ? What a distant, faded memory that has become.

got europe good, didn't they?

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy

Remember 2008, when 200,000 Germans greeting Obama in Berlin, like he was a rock star/second coming of Christ? What a distant, faded memory that has become.

they also turned out in droves for hassellhoff!

Rochard · 10-24-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

That is what FISA Court is supposed to be for (but 'secret courts' are generally corrupt, point in case). Snowden showed that they are bypassed or are simply lay-downs issuing blanket warrants. So, the FISA law means little to the NSA. That part has to change.

Snowden didn't prove anything at all. If anything, he proved that the NSA is working with the courts exactly as they should. They go through the courts as required, but when the make a mistake and pull data by accident (such as pulling all 212 area code numbers) they report themselves (and don't use the data).

Snowden "claims" that "certain people can access any information at any time". He is most likely correct. At some point in time, someone somewhere needs to be able to log into a computer the data required - but only if they have a warrant. To date, Snowden has yet to prove this is being done on a regular basis or in bulk or at all.

On top of this, the only one who has broken laws here is Snowden.

Sly · 10-24-2013, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

absolutely

MaDalton · 10-24-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

On top of this, the only one who has broken laws here is Snowden.

this is simply not true.

theking · 10-24-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-929725.html

one step too far?

Unless I am mistaken...I think the President has personally assured her this did not happen.

MaDalton · 10-24-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Unless I am mistaken...I think the President has personally assured her this did not happen.

read the fine print - they said "not currently and not in the future".

they did not say never

Antonio · 10-24-2013, 12:20 PM

_Richard_ · 10-24-2013, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

read the fine print - they said "not currently and not in the future".

they did not say never

sort of distinction escapes many.. especially when they like it that way

pimpmaster9000 · 10-24-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

At some point in time, someone somewhere needs to be able to log into a computer the data required - but only if they have a warrant.

o shut up...just shut the fuck up....

where is the "warrant" to tap merkels phone?

****crickets chirping*****

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 12:27 PM

international law doesn't count!

_Richard_ · 10-24-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

international law doesn't count!

'... unless it's in our favour!'

theking · 10-24-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

read the fine print - they said "not currently and not in the future".

they did not say never

I am not speaking about they. I heard on the news that a singular person...President Obama...assured her that the story is not true. Either he is telling what he thinks is the truth or not. Heads of state do lie when they think a lie is the better course of action.

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 12:38 PM

pimpmaster9000 · 10-24-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

President Obama...assured her that the story is not true.

yes yes the word of a US president is fucking scripture carved in stone LOL

bill clinton did NOT have sex with that woman

bush DID find WMD in iraq

and fuck no! the NSA does not spy according to obama

fuck If i was merkel I would believe you guys SOOOOOOOOOOOO much

BIGTYMER · 10-24-2013, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Snowden didn't prove anything at all. If anything, he proved that the NSA is working with the courts exactly as they should. They go through the courts as required, but when the make a mistake and pull data by accident (such as pulling all 212 area code numbers) they report themselves (and don't use the data).

Snowden "claims" that "certain people can access any information at any time". He is most likely correct. At some point in time, someone somewhere needs to be able to log into a computer the data required - but only if they have a warrant. To date, Snowden has yet to prove this is being done on a regular basis or in bulk or at all.

On top of this, the only one who has broken laws here is Snowden.

The FISC acknowledged that NSA misled it for three years. And the NSA lied and routinely withheld information from Congress.

klinton · 10-24-2013, 12:51 PM

i dont trust any goverment..they all want to spy and take more control...just that...
it is the same in Germany, UK, Russia, China and USA...and it was the same from 1000s of years, you may even read that in ancient greek tragedies- good cases of unchangable human nature of power hungry people and greed for more power and more, more....so dont be fooled that Germans, French or other gov guys dont spy on their citizens....
Snowden

i'm pretty sure that some people are very angry at him in USA..just some people....50 years ago hippies were saying that "one man, one word,one song can change world..." today we have Senor Snowden, true hero of human liberties and basically - guy with balls...

and what else ? its irony of history that ex KGB guy Putin is giving asylum to exspy from USA....and in the same time the same ex KGB guy is jailing greenpeace activists because they wanted to tell about possible earth devastation....and that las thing is saddest actually, more important than whole NSA, Obama, Putin and money...but sadly most of the people don't see nothing more than end of their nose....

and what else ? its another irony of history that today German people and its goverment are kind of haven of common sense in politics etc. while USA, being savior of Europe 70 years ago changed to some kind of oppresive Empire in international politics....kind of , of course, as it still good country with (few) great people

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,333	gotta lol @ teh gfy. having a respectful dialogue with anothe gfy'er, a troll has to try and turn the thread into an opportunity to get attention for being a sackless wonder.

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Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	sadly, the military industrial complex has so much power, a mocha chocolate ivy league liberal POTUS is powerless to get it under control. just wait til the pentagon starts producing killer robots!

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,333	i'm concerned now about german defenses. if they can let a wiretap through to the chancellor's cell phone, maybe we should have a bigger presence over there. hahahahahahaha i keed! fuck you thundernoballs.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,333	a great example of that for me is the cold war. when we had big bad russia as an enemy we had zero terrorist enemies. none. cold war ends and we instantly have terrorist enemies and a lot of em.

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klinton So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: online Posts: 8,766	i dont trust any goverment..they all want to spy and take more control...just that... it is the same in Germany, UK, Russia, China and USA...and it was the same from 1000s of years, you may even read that in ancient greek tragedies- good cases of unchangable human nature of power hungry people and greed for more power and more, more....so dont be fooled that Germans, French or other gov guys dont spy on their citizens.... Snowden i'm pretty sure that some people are very angry at him in USA..just some people....50 years ago hippies were saying that "one man, one word,one song can change world..." today we have Senor Snowden, true hero of human liberties and basically - guy with balls... and what else ? its irony of history that ex KGB guy Putin is giving asylum to exspy from USA....and in the same time the same ex KGB guy is jailing greenpeace activists because they wanted to tell about possible earth devastation....and that las thing is saddest actually, more important than whole NSA, Obama, Putin and money...but sadly most of the people don't see nothing more than end of their nose.... and what else ? its another irony of history that today German people and its goverment are kind of haven of common sense in politics etc. while USA, being savior of Europe 70 years ago changed to some kind of oppresive Empire in international politics....kind of , of course, as it still good country with (few) great people