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bronco67 · 10-25-2013, 08:38 PM

After the whole World War 2 thing, Germany can't say shit about shit.

Rochard · 10-25-2013, 09:09 PM

What exactly do people think the NSA does? It spies on other governments.

madeofmoney · 10-25-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

I call it as I see it. You mad? Gonna start crying?

Barry-xlovecam · 10-26-2013, 05:34 AM

Here is another link for you ..

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...e6c_story.html
The Justice Department on Friday informed a terrorism suspect in Colorado that it intends to use evidence against him gathered through the government’s warrantless surveillance program, a move that will likely lead to a constitutional challenge to the law. ...

... Supporters of the 2008 law say the federal surveillance court that oversees the law’s application has approved rules to protect Americans’ privacy. “Collection is done under the statute pursuant to procedures that the court has held are reasonable under the Fourth Amendment — and therefore are constitutional,” said one former senior national security lawyer, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity.

But critics argue it is unconstitutional because it allows the government to monitor telephone calls and emails without probable cause or any of the other safeguards that the Fourth Amendment’s protections against unreasonable searches ordinarily require. “It allows dragnet surveillance of Americans’ international communications,” Jaffer said. ...

You can't wish this away ... This whole NSA surveillance matter is heading for the Supreme Court again. An unconstitutional law is an illegal law, it's the same meaning.

Even soldiers do not have to follow illegal orders. But then the Nazi SS followed orders *the Nuremberg laws), the chain of command followed orders at My Lai, the Khmer Rouge followed orders ... This NSA affair may not be as drastic -- it is not murder. However, the NSA folks are following orders too -- illegal court orders.

So you are pissed at Snowden for not following what he believes to be illegal orders? That is for the Courts to decide. They will either hang Snowden for treason or vindicate him in the end.

This is the kind of shit that has led to the radicalization of the Second Amendment gun ownership rights. Defending personal freedom from a constantly more oppressive US government. When the government doesn't follow its own laws -- citizens will take matters into their own hands when pushed far enough.

I lived this during the Vietnam War era. Nixon's Enemies List, J. Edgar Hoover's illegal wiretaps, Pentagon Papers Leaker Daniel Ellsberg Praises Snowden, Manning => http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...nowden-manning this is the same shit all over again and I know how it worked out the last time -- I was there.

Rochard · 10-26-2013, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Here is another link for you ..

You can't wish this away ... This whole NSA surveillance matter is heading for the Supreme Court again. An unconstitutional law is an illegal law, it's the same meaning.

Even soldiers do not have to follow illegal orders. But then the Nazi SS followed orders *the Nuremberg laws), the chain of command followed orders at My Lai, the Khmer Rouge followed orders ... This NSA affair may not be as drastic -- it is not murder. However, the NSA folks are following orders too -- illegal court orders.

So you are pissed at Snowden for not following what he believes to be illegal orders? That is for the Courts to decide. They will either hang Snowden for treason or vindicate him in the end.

This is the kind of shit that has led to the radicalization of the Second Amendment gun ownership rights. Defending personal freedom from a constantly more oppressive US government. When the government doesn't follow its own laws -- citizens will take matters into their own hands when pushed far enough.

I lived this during the Vietnam War era. Nixon's Enemies List, J. Edgar Hoover's illegal wiretaps, Pentagon Papers Leaker Daniel Ellsberg Praises Snowden, Manning => http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...nowden-manning this is the same shit all over again and I know how it worked out the last time -- I was there.

Stop this already.

You are pointing out that the US government is going after someone they believe is supporting terrorists, they are doing everything legally, AND the Supreme Court has decided there is no reason to step in.

Once again, you pointed out a link where no laws have been broken.

TheSquealer · 10-26-2013, 07:59 AM

38 countries are pretending to be pissed because their voters expect them to react as such. This information was brought to the public attention by a 3rd party, and as such, politicians have to respond with shock and indignation and feign outrage as it is now hard to spin into something it isn't. It's silly theater for the ignorant masses as all matters relating to state security and espionage made public tend to be.

All countries spy. All countries gather intelligence legally and illegally to the best of their ability. All enemies spy on each other. All allies spy on each other. Germany spies on the US just as all other EU countries do.

The only crime in espionage is getting caught. Getting caught demonstrates that one party bested the other and the "offended" party must feign shock for the public as it provides absolute proof of their own ineptitude with which they manage their own security. After all, what does it say to the public about their leaders which can't provide their own head of state with a secure phone line.

The true crime is the degree to which the stupid and naive masses feel their misguided and ill informed opinions be heard and the unbridled ignorance and naivete with which they express them. Only a fist full of people know ALL the facts and that is the people who executing the operations and analyzing data. Those who allege themselves to be victims, often know very little and have very few facts. And further, the public only knows in these matters what both parties want them to know.

.... jmho

Barry-xlovecam · 10-26-2013, 08:15 AM

Anyone in the United States has his constitutional rights -- that is the law. DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE.

That is why Gitmo exists -- there are no constitutional rights there ...

Rochard · 10-26-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

38 countries are pretending to be pissed because their voters expect them to react as such. This information was brought to the public attention by a 3rd party, and as such, politicians have to respond with shock and indignation and feign outrage as it is now hard to spin into something it isn't. It's silly theater for the ignorant masses as all matters relating to state security and espionage made public tend to be.

All countries spy. All countries gather intelligence legally and illegally to the best of their ability. All enemies spy on each other. All allies spy on each other. Germany spies on the US just as all other EU countries do.

The only crime in espionage is getting caught. Getting caught demonstrates that one party bested the other and the "offended" party must feign shock for the public as it provides absolute proof of their own ineptitude with which they manage their own security. After all, what does it say to the public about their leaders which can't provide their own head of state with a secure phone line.

The true crime is the degree to which the stupid and naive masses feel their misguided and ill informed opinions be heard and the unbridled ignorance and naivete with which they express them. Only a fist full of people know ALL the facts and that is the people who executing the operations and analyzing data. Those who allege themselves to be victims, often know very little and have very few facts. And further, the public only knows in these matters what both parties want them to know.

.... jmho

Very, very true.

And yet people are up in arms thinking that our government is spying on ourselves. At the very same time, no one can produce a single link to an article that proves the US was spying on it's own citizens illegally. How long has Snowden been on the run? How many documents has he released?

All Barry has is links to the ACLU trying to shoot down the law. No one has ever been arrested, and the only one who has broken the law is Snowden.

Don't get me wrong. I am sure it happens. But there isn't an entire division of the NSA that intentionally violates the US constitution on a daily basis. If the US government believes someone in the US is violating the law, it get a warrant and does what it needs to do.

klinton · 10-26-2013, 09:54 AM

sleep well

http://www.theguardian.com/world/vid...ideo-animation

Jel · 10-26-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton

sleep well

http://www.theguardian.com/world/vid...ideo-animation

I'm stunned grown people would make this, and then come to the conclusion it was a good thing to publish.

Rochard · 10-26-2013, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Anyone in the United States has his constitutional rights -- that is the law. DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE.

That is why Gitmo exists -- there are no constitutional rights there ...

You are nearly as worse as Vendzilla. You've posted up dozens of links, yet not one that says the NSA illegally spied on anyone in the US. After all of this excitement about Snowden, he hasn't showed anyone where the NSA has broken the law. The only one who has broken the law is Snowden.

I don't give a shit about Gitmo. Anyone in Gitmo isn't a US citizen, didn't commit a crime in the US, and shouldn't be protected by the US Constitution. The US military, btw, doesn't operate under the US Constitution or even US law when it is outside of the US. The US Constitution just does't apply in the Middle East.

Stop being a fucking sheep already. Our government is most likely telling us lies. Our government is most likely spying on us. Our government is most likely walking all over the US Constitution. But stop posting up stupid links that all the other sheep tell you to post up that don't prove anything. It's not gonna be the NSA or the CIA or the FBI, or even the NRO; It will be some lamely titled "Studies And Observation Group" that has been sucking down billions in secret funds.

All approved by Congress, who has the lowest approval rating ever.

Barry-xlovecam · 10-26-2013, 01:30 PM

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Rochard · 10-26-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

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Why is it you cannot provide a single that proves the NSA did something illegal?

You people cannot debate to save your lives. You post up the same shit the rest of the sheep post up, crap about the ACLU filing a lawsuit, crap about a judge resigning, and then say it's proof the NSA is spying on US citizens.

Barry, you are like Vendzilla who reads two paragraph summary of a forty page report written by one person, and accepts it as fact, even though the forty page (congressional) report says the direct opposite of the summary.

I don't mean to start shit with you, and I am not even saying you are wrong. I'm just saying that you (and a lot of other people) seem to believe the NSA is illegally violating the privacy rights of Americans without a single thread of truth. You jump on the bandwagon because "Snowden says it is so" and believe it like a religion, but you cannot seem to find any proof.

Again, I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm saying prove to me you are right.

Barry-xlovecam · 10-26-2013, 11:32 PM

OK... The NSA can Shit on the FISA Law and the US Constitution.

klinton · 10-27-2013, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

I'm stunned grown people would make this, and then come to the conclusion it was a good thing to publish.

well, maybe it was made especially for not so brilliant minds to wake them up ?

sleep well anyway....

btw. many times I got feeling that politicans and some guys - like ie. NSA chief senor Clapper think that they have idiots in front of them...and LIE like we'd no brains......don't you have similiar feelings ? ;-)

Dirty Dane · 10-27-2013, 07:21 AM

Give Obama a break. He loves german porn. That's all.

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