I'm still not commenting on this mess.

too late!! You just did!!! :)





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I find it absurd that an American biker is actually forcing me to agree with you. :1orglaugh

You guys know Rex (Virtual Girl). I remember a few years ago him and his brother rode Route 66 from Chicago to Santa Monica. On the last day I met up with them and we rode thru Beverly Hills, Hollywood, Santa Monica. I could not believe that they were riding as if they were on the streets of Paris.

I stopped them and explained they could split lanes, but there was a right and wrong way to do it. His brother and I were laughing about it over lunch the other day.

So basically, in hindsight, with how it turned out (not how it *may* have turned out), he did the right thing. I agree :)

I've been driving with Rex in his Cayenne in Paris and almost peed my pants :winkwink:

I feel real bad for the real victim of this unfortunate incident.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-...18479728166870

if doing the right thing means getting beaten up, family terrorized, car smashed, people run over and paralyzed, i will work to avoid being put in that situation. for instance, i certainly wouldn't be multitasking while driving my family calling 911 to speak with the operator about erratic drivers, giving them the needed mile marker info, license plate info, who i am, what i am driving, etc et al on&on, blah blah.

instead, i would be using my brain to get my family out of the precarious situation by changing lanes and possibly exiting the freeway when i noticed the crazy sea of headlights fast approaching in my rear view.

Of course avoiding such situations is always preferable. As a professional taxi driver in NYC, I've been able to avoid any such situations even after logging in over 1 million city miles (2 Crown Vics and I'm on my 2nd Camry Hybrid). I want to run over pedestrians and bicyclists every time I drive - but I've managed to avoid that so far.

The SUV driver is probably a typical "Sunday Driver". Probably didn't look in his rear-view mirror. Probably talking to his wife. Maybe distracted by his 2 year old. Then he was surrounded and it was too late. Probably never had a chance to get out of the way fast enough for these guys' liking. Thugs who unsuccessfully tried to convene in Times Square and couldn't - so they were already pissed off.

We could go back and forth all day and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But I will only offer one fact: The Roosevelt Hotel is for European tourists. The next time you're in NY, PM me for a better hotel selection.

yes, your's is an excellent point of view, as a taxi driver your job is to get your patrons to their destination safely, avoiding hazardous pratts and pitfalls, as many as there are in nyc.

and not only were the bikers agitated about not being able to make their destination point, the mob mentality in a pack like this is strong. especially with sport bike packs like this, more than h-d herds. i've ridden with both and come across both while driving. sport bike packs, imo, are more aggressive.

are they retarded ?

well, those riders are going to be in deep shit

I have no doubts. I will have to see if I can find my helmet cam footage of riding with him.

Until that exact point it started, he was unaware - that doesn't make hm wrong, just because you ar mr. xyz would have been aware prior to that. So yep, given what actually happened here, and without all the ifs, buts, and maybes, he did exactly the right thing armed with the knowledge and experience he had. Absolutely.

To those feeling sorry for the biker, they do it all the time and the brake check bump is a classic move from these pieces of shit to extort money or to just harass people who are foreign/helpless looking/have family/etc.

Same bitches in 2011:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=81e_1380656714

He got sent out with his door key around his neck - I'd say yep :1orglaugh

I fucking hate pricks like these, I hope everyone of them gets their licence suspended.
Idiots.

The only reason the SUV driver got beaten was because he didn't lock his doors or didn't back up and over them to escape the bikers as they attacked him when he was blocked by stopped traffic. He could and should have been able to get away without being beaten and still not get charged with any crime.

i would hope that in hindsight, the driver realizes that his unawareness/willingness to be distracted is what allowed him to lose control of his situation- requiring him to run over people to get out of it. it would be then that knowledge and experience is acquired. that means realizing he did something wrong.

And what is door-key boy holding in his right hand? A piece? Nope - menthol cigarettes! A live, walking, talking stereotype.

no, he got beaten because he chose to not pay enough attention over his responsibilty of safe driving. for instance, adding to his distractions by calling 911 to report erratic drivers. that's not putting the occupant's safety first. making that call does not increase the safety of that drive, it distracts. so sure, i get it, he's a distracted sunday driver that made it worse on himself by getting even more distracting calling 911

that why he got his ass beat. not saying that's right or fair, i'm saying that's life. there are dipshits everwhere.

That's stretching the definition of doing something wrong a little too far for me :2 cents:

He did nothing wrong, found himself in a situation caused by others doing wrong, and from then on did everything right.

We'll obviously never agree, and I knew that before I posted so I'm not sure why I did really - perhaps I shoulda saved myself the 5 mins of posting by going on my own awareness and past experiences that these disagreements never get resolved :thumbsup :winkwink:

lol I thought that was some crappy cellphone at first but yeah :1orglaugh

I would feel immediately threatened if I were suddenly surrounded by 100 bikers and one more more of them was trying to make me slow down or stop on a freeway. I might feel like George Zimmerman. Might not. But might. There is no standard for how you're supposed to deal with completely off the wall shit that happens once in your lifetime.

i don't feel like we need to agree. i have views and state them, people critique :winkwink: that view and i reply back supporting it. you have your's and supprt it, they are separate and have nothing to do with the other. as long as it doesn't get personal, i'm fine
you've never made it personal with me so i've never made it personal with you.

Exackery :)

Bullshit

Where are you getting all your presumed facts?

LOL at you thinking the douche in my avatar is me. I guess the cartoon in your avatar is you? :1orglaugh

What's wrong with Vendzilla? Serious question. :helpme

again, i am only referring to myself, and for me knowledge comes from experience. many tend to agree.


i'm getting my presumed facts from the very same places you are getting yours from.


i'm getting actual fact from the same places and from personal experience, which is what i am doing- putting myself in his shoes.

it's a fact he called 911 to report erratic drivers. it's a fact talking on a wireless device is distracting.

+1

One of the NY papers reported that he actually opened his door. He was so close to getting out of it. When you get exit the highway where he did, you have three choices: bear to the left for the upper level of the GW Bridge, bear to the right for the lower level, or go straight for 178th Street and the Cross Bronx Expressway. He went straight - had he gone left or right he would have been on the bridge, heavily patrolled by police officers.

Screaming wife and kid in the car, surrounded by a horde of thugs, I'd venture to say he was out of his element. "Evading a Motorcycle Gang" is not a course taught at Columbia University, where the driver graduated from.

Wait. . .you mean Jel isn't Al Bundy either???

He went less than 25mph somewhere years ago and overheated.

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You are going by a newspaper report, so you know for fact he was on a handheld device and it wasn't his wife? And you know that he made the 911 call at the same time that he got checked? And you know he was exceeding the speed limit?
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i never stated he was on a handheld, i stated he was on a wireless device. the report stated he was the one making the call.

i also never stated he was on the 911 call when he was brake checked. i stated that by making the call he is distracting himself from the situation at hand. moreover, any 30 something year old with a degree from columbia has the brainwaves to realize that the 911 operator is not going to send out th epolice to save this guy at mile marker 142, no wait, mile marker 143, no,....... so the call is an offensive act, not defensive.

finally, i didn't state i know he was exceeding the speed limit. in fact, what i wrote was an effort to display further that i understand where this guy was coming from. that's why i wrote that he "was probably not going too much over the speed limit" knowing full well that the natural flow of traffic is generally a bit over the speed limit and it is safer to merge with the flow of traffic than not. maybe he wasn't, it really doesn't matter, i'm not trying to suggest he was wreckless, my point was i understand his mindset at the time- sunday drive.

i know you get that.

Dyna Mo..you are only digging yourself deeper with your monday morning quarterbacking - assuming stuff happened that we just dont know about...

Could he have done things better to avoid any initial confrontation? Probably.. but no one is talking about that - the only issue is did he do the right thing during the time period that the video shows. Looks like he did

Anyone else notice that this is pretty rare? And why the fuck do all of these criminals video tape themselves all the time?

eh? digging myself deeper into what? i'm speaking of my personal experience and my attitudes, you can judge that and think that digs some sort of gfy hole but i'm not assuming anything more than anyone else.

fact is, in that situation i would have not lost control of my vehicle.

what makes you think that's the only issue here? are there rules on this thread? fill me in, what post where they in.

otherwise, the situation started before the video started and i can certainly speak to my experience about that. i put myself in his shoes and assesed the situation, i've said repeatedly that i get this guy, i understand what happened and what he did.

that's called empathy, that's only diggin a hole at a place like gfy. i would think a hole was dug by gfyers laughing and hi-5ing about running over people.

Showing empathy for the injured is fine - although when it's a thug who raps about being a cocaine dealer and has never been a legal driver of anything much less a motorcycle (while showing off rad street bike insanity videos) - who was injured during the act of criminal assault (probably) on an innocent family with toddler...well yes it's fine to show empathy for him but doing so in the form of criticizing the driver isn't going anywhere... thats all Im saying

Dude, you make so many assumptions it isn't even funny. You cause me to wonder if you know what a Sunday driver is . . . judging by the videos, the PUNKS on motorcycles were primarily Sunday driver/weekend warrior types as no sane rider would put themselves in that situation.

You have a link to this 911 call? For the record, I have had cops ask me the mile marker.

Something similar to this happened in Las Vegas a couple of months ago near the airport tunnel entrance. Was the first time someone got injured, but it wasnt the first time these asshole sportbikers have taken over a stretch of hiway. It's also not the first time the motorcyclist incites an incident and then tries to play the victim.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/22676...aught-on-video

Even IF he was on the phone with the police...BLUETOOTH?! Hes in a luxury truck. For all we know the 9-11 operator TOLD him to get out of that situation as fast as humanly possible. Could be the reason no tape has been released.

i'm not showing empathy for the thug(s). i'm holding back commenting on the one who is paralyzed other than pointing out that is a consequence of this event.

my empathy is for the driver. i fully understand his flight or fight running over bikes and bikers to get out of an explosive situation. i fully understand his probably being a sunday driver. i get being distracted while driving.

so after 2 pages peppered with gfyers stating they'd happily run over people, i.e., putting themselves in the same situation, i finally chimed in.

the only difference is i hit the rewind button a bit and said if i were him i would have realized the situation unfolding when i saw a bunch of jiggling headlights fast approaching in my rear view.

several people took issue with that, calling me a sociopath, bullshitter, not capable of understanding, etc.

don't all the hands free vehicles use bluetooth for that?

lolz, sure thing baddog, nevermind the fact my post completely covered your questioning.

again, not sure what your beef is here or what you are expecting me to change here.

i put myself in his shoes and made a comment that i would have seen it coming. you can nitpick assumptions all you want, that doesn't mean i don't know how i would react in a situation with a pack of bikes coming up on me.


so fill me in, what is it you want here?

Why do you figure "his probably being a sunday driver"

And where is the link to this 911 call you know all about?

gotcha - I'm with ya

One time I was in a similar situation being terrorized in my car by a group of hostile dudes and I drove out of it by taking off (literally OFF) the drivers door of his Porsche - cops showed up and ticketed me for it too. (got out of it...) So thats probably why I sided so heavily with the driver - sitting trapped in a car can mean death when seriously mean motherfuckers want to hurt you.

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why wouldn't i figure he was being a sunday driver? it was sunday, his wife and toddler were in the car. should i have figured he was driving nascar?


i don't know where the link is.