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I overlooked this Todd loves Lydia and will kill to protect her - that is def being set up...good point

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Lawyer will not die as he has his own show coming

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dyna mo

todd's love for lydia will certainly go unrequited,he's going to go aggro,,,,,,,,,,,,+ todd's already killed 2 kids and went in to abduct the baby, what's next??

todd's going to kill walt jr.



eh??? huh>>> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

Sarah_Jayne

If Lydia gets killed then Meth Damon will probably kill just about anybody.

izombie

I think no matter what happens by the end Walt will take the ricin and then turn himself into the DEA and confess everything to save his family, but before that he will secure the money somehow by killing the Nazis or possibly blackmailing the Grey Matter couple. The Nazi guys have been built up to be so evil they are gonna have to be killed I think. I was heartbroken that Andrea was killed almost as much as when Jane died, but I have a weak spot for hot goth chicks.

I saw Brian Cranston on a talk show several months ago and the host addressed the bad things Walt had done, and Brian hinted that in the final episodes that Walt will ultimately redeem himself.

I'm glad that they killed Hank he was an asshole, family or not I damn sure wouldn't expose my millions to save him.

mineistaken

I read that show will be about his younger days before he became a lawyer.

mineistaken

Interesting to see so many going for Jeesse and/or Walt being dead. My guess is that neither of them will die (unless its cancer).

boziffous

Walt blackmails Gretchen into laundering his remaining 11 million for his family by threatening to tell Elliott about his and her past together.

Walt kills Todd, Uncle Jack and the other Nazi's with the M60. In the aftermath Jesse escapes without Walt ever knowing that he is still alive.

Walt poisons Lydia with the ricin by putting it into some Stevia packets which she uses in her tea.

Walt mails in a confession tape to the DEA admitting to everything and also clearing Skyler.

Jesse kills Walt in front of his family.

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This actually makes a lot of sense.

Relentless

Walt kills uncle jack
Jessie kills todd and Lydia
Walt kills Jessie
Brock kills Walt

Brock goes off into the sunset with 80M ;)

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seeandsee

Walt siting in caffe, people entering caffe, walt family coming in cafe, more people entering caffe, BLACKOUT, END

original ending yea

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Sopranos.......... ? ........... ?

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It wouldn't surprise me if this all ended with more questions than answers

bronco67

Me too. Not only will they not die...but they might be on semi-good terms at the very end.

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Was that scene not one of the greatest things ever on television?

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I cannot even make a guess.....

BUT....

Walt contacts the police and has THEM raid the Nazi camp.... Jesse escapes and Walt kills him, he is overcome by cancer dying next to Jesse leaving clues for his son when his son discovers the money and the formula for the blue meth......his sons eyes go wide, the end

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dyna mo

i'm contemplating not watching the finale.

it's not going to be what i want or expect, i fully expect to be let down by watching it.

by not watching it, i can still have hope it will wrap-up in a profoundly good way.

bronco67

Why do you guys think Walt still wants to kill Jesse? Months have passed, he has other things on his mind now. He didn't even want to do it in the first place, and tried to avoid it until there was no other option. I think it's number 500 on his list of things to accomplish.

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dyna mo

jesse's the whole reason it all came crashing down. if he hadn't partnered up with shrader, shrader would be alive, walt would have his money, etc........
white holds grudges very well.


one person unaccounted for yet here is marie. they've made a big deal of her telling walt to kill himself and her rambling on the the shrink too.

hmmmmmmmmm.

bronco67

I think you have the wrong idea about who Walt is. We'll see next week, then check back into this thread for some gloating.

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yes, after 5 years, watching each and every episode at least 3x each, many such as "the fly" even more, partipating in bb forums, reading reviews, discussing the show for years irl, here and else,,,,,,,,,,

that somehow i'm wrong about one of the most ambigous, vague characters ever presented on television? moreover, and the entire premise of the show is about that character changing characters,

and i'm wrong.


got it.

dyna mo

if i wanted to gloat i'd point out how several of you were wrong about uncle jack and his global corporation of nazis.

for starters.

dyna mo

the entire reason to bring grey matter back up these last 2 episodes is due to how ww carries a grudge. he would not have been lit up like that over that tv interview if he wasn't harboring a resentment against elliot and gretchen, the interview and his reaction to it, reminded us of that loose end the writers are planning on tynig up.

that loose end is the grudge. holding onto grudges is a big part of the ww character.

Paul

What was the significance of this episode? Was that the episode that signified the return of Walt's cancer?

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boziffous

Walt's reasons for killing Jesse now(revenge) aren't the same as they were before(loose cannon). Actually, I don't think killing Jesse is on Walt's list at all only because he probably thinks Jesse is already dead. If Walt finds out Jesse is still alive then very likely that Jesse moves to the top of the list. Surely the feeling is mutual for Jesse.

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dyna mo

it's pointed to as one of the more cerebral episodes. apparently it's one of those cheaply made tele episodes that the show uses current sets and props and such, show like this are usually shot because the season is over budget, etc.

i forget what the hollywood term is for an episode like this but there's a phrase for it.

these sorts of episodes usually are very mediocre filler episodes but "the fly" hit it out of the ballpark with a very good show.

I happen to think they got lucky, mostly...


i guess my point is that this is a fictional, creative work, there is no right or wrong here. bronco may disagree with my view but it's not right to say my idea of the character is wrong.

fogfever

When Walt gets to Uncle Jack's compound, Jessie is cooking a batch of blue meth while showing the process to Lydia and Todd.
Walt kills all of Uncle Jack's men... goes down to the lab.

Walt, Jessie and Lydia have a meeting of the minds and whatever happens from there could be a lot of different scenarios.

georgeyw

I really hope you are wrong on this one, I want a huge finale.

His entire life has been turned upside down, he has lost his family, hell he has lost absolutely everything.

Who in Walt's mind do you think is the catalyst for this ? Here is a hint, Walt doesn't think it was Walt.

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Bottle episode.

And I would not really consider "Fly" a typical bottle episode because it's really an encapsulation of what the whole series has been about.



Another awesome scene is when Walter talks about the moment he should have walked away, when he could have simply stopped and didn't, and he's realizing just how deep he had gotten and that there is no way out but just keep on going and see it through... regret, guilt, resignation, sweet jesus that was one of my favorite moments in the entire series.


I understand your need to see Walt and Jesse's relationship go back to the way it was, but the whole point of the series is PRECISELY the deterioration of it.

Never mind Walter seeing Jesse as the reason for the cluster-fuck that he finds himself in by ratting him out to Hank.

Remember, the difference between Walter and Jesse is that Jesse feels guilt, Walter sees absolutely nothing wrong with the things he has done. That's one of the BASIC, FUNDAMENTAL differences in their characters.

You think Jesse is about to forgive Walter for having poisoned Brock? For ordering Uncle to kill him, then when they spared him, kept him in a cage like an animal, forced him to cook meth for them and as result having to watch Brock's mom get shot?

I seriously doubt it.

Now another possibility would be that Jesse uses the same trick that Walter used in the first season to poison Krazy 8 and his buddy, combine chemicals to poison Uncle and his cronies since the fuckers don't bother with masks.

Then when he's leaving Walter finds him and kills him, or Jesse kills Walter using his surprise at seeing him alive.

I seriously doubt there's gonna be a happy ending for anyone.

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Jel

I'm with that - no reason to bring those back in, and fits in just right with Walt not being to even give 100k to his family - this way his crimes haven't been in vain

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(and I was one of them!)

CPA37710T

guys, the last episode is called "FELINA"

wich in spanish means "female cat"

dont forget the latin girl exporting meth to europe, she will end up being kingpin , todd will be the army for her, hes stupid, she will manipulate.

Walt story will end up tragically, but the meth business is there to stay in the hands of the woman that is exporting meth to europe, is it that hard to see?

boziffous

One theory floating around the web is that "Felina" may actually be a reference to the song "El Paso" by Marty Robbins.

"El Paso" lyrics

Out in the West Texas town of El Paso
I fell in love with a Mexican girl.
Night-time would find me in Rosa's cantina;
Music would play and Felina would whirl.

Blacker than night were the eyes of Felina,
Wicked and evil while casting a spell.
My love was deep for this Mexican maiden;
I was in love but in vain, I could tell.

One night a wild young cowboy came in,
Wild as the West Texas wind.
Dashing and daring,
A drink he was sharing
With wicked Felina,
The girl that I loved.

So in anger I

Challenged his right for the love of this maiden.
Down went his hand for the gun that he wore.
My challenge was answered in less than a heart-beat;
The handsome young stranger lay dead on the floor.

Just for a moment I stood there in silence,
Shocked by the FOUL EVIL deed I had done.
Many thoughts raced through my mind as I stood there;
I had but one chance and that was to run.

Out through the back door of Rosa's I ran,
Out where the horses were tied.
I caught a good one.
It looked like it could run.
Up on its back
And away I did ride,

Just as fast as I

Could from the West Texas town of El Paso
Out to the bad-lands of New Mexico.

Back in El Paso my life would be worthless.
Everything's gone in life; nothing is left.
It's been so long since I've seen the young maiden
My love is stronger than my fear of death.

I saddled up and away I did go,
Riding alone in the dark.
Maybe tomorrow
A bullet may find me.
Tonight nothing's worse than this
Pain in my heart.

And at last here I

Am on the hill overlooking El Paso;
I can see Rosa's cantina below.
My love is strong and it pushes me onward.
Down off the hill to Felina I go.

Off to my right I see five mounted cowboys;
Off to my left ride a dozen or more.
Shouting and shooting I can't let them catch me.
I have to make it to Rosa's back door.

Something is dreadfully wrong for I feel
A deep burning pain in my side.
Though I am trying
To stay in the saddle,
I'm getting weary,
Unable to ride.

But my love for

Felina is strong and I rise where I've fallen,
Though I am weary I can't stop to rest.
I see the white puff of smoke from the rifle.
I feel the bullet go deep in my chest.

From out of nowhere Felina has found me,
Kissing my cheek as she kneels by my side.
Cradled by two loving arms that I'll die for,
One little kiss and Felina, good-bye.

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My 100% assured prediction. GUARANTEED:




















I won't be watching.

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The letters of "FELINA" is an acronym for "FINALE"
I think you are right that Lydia will be part of the empire. But the door is still open for Walt, Jesse or even Skyler to be co-manager of the empire with her.
Walt's main goal is to go back and re-claim his empire and not have it fall into someone else's hands. He is very intelligent and determined and I think it is still possible that he kills off the nazis and leaves the blue meth empire in the hands of his family somehow - even if he dies in the process

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It could end like the nick cage movie lord of war

all walts family dies and walt goes back to cooking to be king again

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Well maybe Jesse, but not Skyler, shes got no idea how to make the meth. Theres a crazy thought i had while high, i know the chances are low, but what if in the end elliot and gretchen ally with Lydia?, theyre both powerful, they have grey matter and maybe they start doing it in an industrial scale!!!

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Walter Dies Uncle Hank is the new Heisenberg

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That would be absolutely fucking brilliant beyond belief hahahaha

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Sarah_Jayne

lol..I saw that a couple months ago and since then have been floating it as my favorite theory.

moodyjones

Walter White JR. turns out to be using meth all along.

And it was the blue stuff.

and DIES.


The Irony.

akkad47

Writing this before I read all the other theories here:

- The Ricin is for Lydia to sneak in her Tea. Walt originally wanted to turn himself in after calling the Feds from the Tavern's booth. Watching the Report where he sees Elliot and Gretchen discredit him after it's mentioned the Blue Meth is still in Circulation in both the South West and Europe is what triggers him to return home instead. Killing Lydia makes sure the distribution of the Blue Meth dies.

- The Machine Gun is obviously for Jack and his Nazi Crew, maybe even for Jesse so that the Blue Meth dies once and for all production wise

- As for conflicts between Skylar, Marie and Flynn...... I got nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them, if not all of them end up dead.

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walter kills everything that moves.

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I disagree.

I think Walter realized that Jesse is alive because he knows that Todd couldn't make his pure meth, even following his recipe. So the fact that blue, pure "Heisenberg"-quality meth is circulating again means Jesse wasn't killed by Uncle.

Remember, Walter made a deal with Uncle, kill Jesse and he'd cook for them one last batch because Todd couldn't manage to do it.

So on top of having killed Hank, of having taken his money, Uncle and his buddies didn't kill Jesse, whom he sees as the reason the chain of events got started.

So Walter is going back to kill Uncle's gang and Jesse.

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