epitome

Actually, many companies that pay minimum wage (think McDonald's) rely on those people to prep and sell the product. That is actually extremely valuable to the enterprise.

Not getting into the minimum wage argument, just pointing out your error.

Magnetron

Let's all look at the bright side of this.

If it wasn't for the minimum wage law and increases of said minimum wage, the poor people would have revolted long ago over their 25 cent hourly wages deemed generous and eaten the filthy rich people.

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L-Pink

And after tonight thanks to Gov Brown illegals can legally get California drivers licenses and legally drive their illegal asses to the higher wage jobs.

Huge

doesn't a flopper do something in porn? maybe i'm thinkin' of a fluffer..

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Where did you read that? What state did you come from?

He has proven his idiocy early on; we should be thankful.

The fucker does not even live in our country, much less this state. He is going full retard.

What does democracy have to do with minimum wages?

tony286

well said

keysync

Magnetron, You should really consider buying a jet ski. They are awesome!

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How many people would raising the minimum wage lift out of poverty and off of welfare?
How many people being ridiculed for not trying to improve themselves got their entry level position for just that reason?
Historically, how has raising the minimum wage helped or hurt the economy as a whole?
Why do the same few people whine whenever there's a discussion about raising wages to what still amounts to far less than a living wage?

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Barefootsies

An entry level JOB is not a CAREER nor should you be paid as such for an UNSKILLED position.

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tony286

Not everyone is smart. There used to be factories for these people to make a living. Those are gone, I dont see kids in fast food I see adults working there because they have no other options.
Its like people on welfare are pieces of shit, these who are working are pieces of shit because they would like to make a whole 15 bucks an hr.

Its like make up your mind which way you want it lol. Youre funding what should be businesses expenses thru your tax dollars when these people are paid shit?
Alittle fyi truman almost doubled min wage and the world didnt end and prices didnt go thru the roof.

Magnetron

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It won't take long to see if a higher minimum works.

If it doesn't those businesses affected will lose money and close. Companies like McD's know their demographics. If they can't afford the increase they will simply raise the prices of their products.

No matter, there will always be a loser when people in government who don't run businesses think they know more than people who do.

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Barefootsies

Life's about choices.

It's not my responsibility to make sure that every piece of shit unskilled worker or apathetic lazy teenager on the planet is making $15.00/hour with all of the latest apple gadgets and living like MTV Cribs. If you want those things, you sacrifice the same as many successful did and go to school or learn to climb the corporate ladder.

This comes down to personal accountability and responsibility. The buck stops with YOU.

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Magnetron

Is Scrooge McDuck the president of this fantasy world you live in where absolutely no one receives a cost of living adjustment?

It is more expensive to exist in 2013 where gas is $3.59 a gallon and the federal minimum wage is $7.25, then it was in the 1988 when gas was 89 cents a gallon and the min wage was $3.35.

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Barefootsies

While it's been apparent through most of this thread, at this point, you're just trolling for effect. The topic is not about cost of living adjustments. This is about entry level unskilled workers wanting to make the wages of a skilled worker who has a career.

If you can be replaced by a Craigslist and trained within a day, then you're unskilled. You should be paid the bare minimum. If you do not like it, acquire some skills, go get an education, or learn something that makes you more of an asset to a company where they are willing to pay you more.

It's not up to society to pay you for making bad life and career choices.

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Barefootsies

Funny how that works with the rabble.... between entitlements and blame for their failures in life.

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L-Pink

It's the cheap ass AMERICAN CONSUMER that dictates a low wage not business.

American consumers don't care manufacturing jobs moved to China or they would insist on buying "made in America" labeled goods at slightly higher prices. They don't.

If there is a demand for something American business would fill it. If a fast food owner opened a location guaranteeing $15 an hour and great benefits per entry level worker he would be out of business in 6 months.

The same people whining here about low wages would be to cheap to pay the higher food prices and shop at the cheaper restaurants. American consumers are all about price and not about pride in quality. Why do you think the largest retailer in the country is fucking walmart. American consumers don't care their clothes are made in sweat shops. American consumers don't care their Christmas ornaments are made by 10 year old children locked in dirt floored rooms. They sure as shit don't care about the person flipping a burger.


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arock10

Minimum wage should be tied to cost of living, inflation, etc with automatic periodic increases.

Raising the minimum wage to $10 will simply bring it in line of the min wage in the 1970s when accounting for inflation.

Entry level job pay has fallen since all of us had our chances for entry level jobs.

But hey keep ignoring the people trying to work and feed themselves and just keep patting yourself on the back that you are so successful in life and you did it all by yourself with no help from anyone and certainly nothing the government did.

Barefootsies

You mean the people who invested their life savings, or 18 hours a day for however many years, sacrificing time with family, went to college, learned a trade, climbed the corporate ranks, and putting their blood, sweat and tears into a business to achieve some level of success?

Right.

Why wouldn't someone who's busted their fucking ass feel good about just giving their hard earned money made through years of sacrifice to someone with their hand out feeling they are entitled to the same standard of living "just because" or saying it's unfair. Life's not fair, and the sooner you understand this concept, the better off you'll be.

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Nobody is forcing you to do anything. Your profile says you live in Michigan. So if you don't like the minimum wage law in California and it pisses you off so much then stay out of California and don't patronize any such businesses. What's the problem? The people of California can vote the people responsible out if they don't like it or maybe they do like it. Who knows. But it's not for you to unilaterally declare.

And it's a whole $2 an hour over three years. Geez.

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the wage is still less than what we pay kids, and 'rabble', up here. we're doing fine.

signupdamnit

I know. With the way some act in regards to this you would think California was passing some kind of penis confiscation law for all registered Republicans. People get ridiculous sometimes. I could see the reaction if it were $20 an hour and nationwide but it's nothing near that. It's two dollars over three years bringing the minimum to $10 there. Come on, people.

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theking

I recently read that if the minimum wage in 1968 would have kept up with inflation/the cost of living...the minimum wage now would have to be $21 plus dollars per hour.

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In another article I read that 40% of American workers make less than the 1968 minimum wage when adjusted for inflation/the cost of living.

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Bryan G

Are some people seriously complaining about fast food workers making $10/hr? Really?? Lol why do you give a fuck? Because your burger might go up in price 25 cents? 10 bucks an hr is still a shitty wage. Chill the fuck out and worry about your own life and income.

Barefootsies

When we want your opinion on anything business related, we'll stop by the scarf section of our local gay consignment shop. Until then, stick to know what you know... the Canadian Utopian dream.

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Hey you fat fuck. So am I right? You pissed because the 2 dozen burgers your fat arse eats a week will go up in price. You're pretty pathetic to worry about someone making $10/hr. Worried that they make more money than your sorry ass?

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bushwacker

I am in agreement that the minimum wage should be raised. However, at the end of the day these jobs are ENTRY level positions, mainly for high school, and college kids.

If you are still flipping burgers in your thirties, and this is your primary source of income, well then you have failed at some point in life.

Sly

Just for you buddy.

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I already pointed out how extreme Capitalism gives birth to the need for welfare. Once the simple facts are laid bare on the table, there really isn't much more to debate.

Even with a $2 increase, Whopper Floppers still have quite a ways to go before they start making the same hourly wage as electrians, carpenters, plumbers, mechanics, etc.

Hell, I made $19 hourly delivering parts and tools to electricians at O'Hare back in 2002. The electricians were well above $37 then, the foreman beyond that plus transportation and fuel cards. And we're not even factoring in the matched 401K contributions or yearly bonuses. Oh, and 100% medical and dental insurance.

LOL

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Its best to speak percentages when speaking about matters like this. Its whole 25% increase. Pretty huge.

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Spread out over such a long period of time that it kind of makes the 25% less huge.

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I know you like to troll but the ultra rich have a lot of splainin to do, ricky. And barry is about to drop larry summers back into the fed job to get the last few drops out of the collective american cock before barry hits the speech circuit...

Ever tried to go to a "good school"? One that can actually land you a "good job"? Like buying a house.

I can see prices going up a nice tick at fast food slop pits so get your happy meals now.

Captain Kawaii

Those days are long gone.

arock10

The average mcdonalds worker is 30 years old. Considering they employ 760,000 people in the US that is a lot of failures.

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Everyones life is exactly what they make it. Thats the sad truth about our existence that losers want to deny in order to stomach being losers.

There used to be something called "The American Dream" - the idea everyone embraced (mostly immigrants as locals were too busy whining about unfairness) where everyone could work hard and excel and better their lives. THats been replaced with laziness, self entitlement and the general idea/excuse that everyone must be a victim of someone else if they don't have a new corvette in their garage.

Ever hear an athlete complain about unfairness? About racism? About bias? No. Why? The stopwatch and stats always tell the truth regardless of race, creed or color. Life is no different.

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TheSquealer

What a horrible fucking message to society to sit and argue that the guy washing the lettuce shouldn't be expected to move up in life, improve his skills, his education and job, he should just demand more money for washing lettuce. Thats how the USA will remain an economic super power. By vilifying success and those who work 80hrs a week and risk it all... and instead letting the inmates run the asylum. Makes perfect sense.

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TheSquealer

And now... what the fuck. Fast Food in the USA is a life long career - not a first job. Not a temporary measure. Go team.

Time to learn Chinese. You people are fucked and you are dragging the nation down with you.

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The world needs ditch diggers too.

theking

"Everyones life is exactly what they make it. Thats the sad truth about our existence that losers want to deny in order to stomach being losers."

That is utter pigshit. We are not born equal physically or mentally...genetics come into play and not everyone is born into the same environment...are not raised the same nor supplied with the same tools.

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Magnetron

Back in the 90's - I installed, maintained and cleaned natural gas grills, fireplaces and lamps around the Chicagoland area for about $15 to $20 hourly. Those Suburbanites always had money to burn and never wanted to get their hands dirty.

Another example of an unskilled labor position with generous pay I lucked into
that probably no longer exists today.

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That guy is sure doing a lot of whining, squealing and blaming unskilled Americans for what exactly again .......?

Ahhhhh, that explains why.

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Well if you pay someone one cent an hour and give them a one cent raise then that's a 100% raise. But it's still only two pennies an hour. $8 an hour is a very low wage these days. As is $10 an hour. Over three years it's 67 cents a year added. But at 3% inflation 24 cents of that is ate up by inflation. And I'd have to read the article again but didn't they say the last raise in the minimum wage in CA was back in 2007 or 2008? Six years at 24 cents each would be $1.44 right there just for inflation. But it's not even being raised the full $2 until 2016. So 9 years @ 24 cents equals $2.16. So if they are raising it only $2 then that isn't even keeping up with inflation!

For the people who say that "fast food jobs" and the like aren't worth anything and that all the people in these jobs are "losers" I think you are wrong. What makes them losers really other than the rate they are being paid? Think about it. In the 50s and 60s often these jobs were pretty respectable. For example there was no shame at all in being a clerk for Sears. And from what I understand it meant a middle class life. The same for working in a diner as a cook or waitress. All that happened was over time we made it so these jobs paid lower class wages and with that we started looking down upon the people performing them. It seems that is prerequisite for justifying the low wages.

Anyway It seems as if some people can only feel better about themselves when they put down others.

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Shut up you fucking loser! j/k