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baddog · 08-17-2013, 10:28 PM

Obviously more than 50' tall

2MuchMark · 08-17-2013, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TrafficTitan

I don't remember is saying anything about being in geostationary orbit. Looked more like low earth orbit. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to see details of it from Earth if it was that high up.

They don't say it, but it would have to be. It is always in the same place in the sky. It has no rockets to to move it. Something that big in low earth orbit would be torn to pieces by debris ("space garbage") and by the drag of the earth, and require almost constant rocket thrusts to nudge it back into orbit. Something that big and heavy would have to either be in Geo Stationary orbit or, I guess it might be possible that it is at the Lagrangian point (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point) where almost no propulsion of any kind would be required to keep it where it needs to be.

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Atmosphere doesn't escape because of the artificial gravity created by the wheel spinning.

The problem though is that the wheel could not spin fast enough to do this without squashing the people and buildings. It would also require much more energy to do this than it would to simply seal the wheel.

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Also the walls are high and curved slightly inwards.

Doesn't matter. don't forget that they don't just need to keep the atmosphere in - they also have to maintain the atmospheric pressure. Without enough pressure, humans would pop out of their skin.

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The sunlight I think is artificially created. That's not that the sun at all.

Nope! First you do see the sun in the movie while on Elysium and if they did use artificial light instead of the sun that would be yet another GLARING TECHNICAL ERROR. It would be hugely inefficient not to take advantage of the sun.

And in fact, one of the reasons why they have the med pods on Elysium is because there is so much radiation they people get alot of cancer. These handy-dandy med-pods fix them right up.

And to make my point, here is a picture from Elysium:

Notice the earth? The sun is to its right, yet the light on the leaves are coming from overhead.

They didn't always get it wrong though. This picture:

Is amazing. wow.

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The Med Pod technology is deliberately withheld from the general population. Only Elysium citizens can use it. Yes they are evil.

Ok they are evil, but they are also money-grubbers. Why didn't anything come up with the idea to install Med-pod stations on the ground and charge for their use? FUCK Elysium sucks.

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When it is rebooted it made everyone a citizen of Elysium. Most of the system is automated so now everyone gets Med Pods.

I know, but didn't this just kill you? The way to make a giant spaceship computer give free meds to everyone is to just reboot it? Don't you just want to choke the idiot who OK'ed the writing team here?

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Max's brain implant was not designed to hold that much data. They said it was 50Xbits. Also it could not be fully downloaded to anywhere but the Elysium core as the code was protected.

Weak plot point. Ok I guess as it explains the WHY, but still...

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They are not dressed like robots, they are robots.

Don't get me started on them thar robots.... I really couldn't tell if they were supposed to be robots or dudes in heavy armour.

This movie is sooooo insulting.

2MuchMark · 08-17-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Obviously more than 50' tall

It's ok. I know you're happy being fed pablum.

2MuchMark · 08-17-2013, 11:24 PM

Oops I was wrong. Elysium would NOT need a "roof" to keep the atmosphere in Sorry TrafficTitan, you were right about the atmosphere.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...cket-of-water/

baddog · 08-17-2013, 11:48 PM

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It's ok. I know you're happy being fed pablum.

That was a Canadian thing.

MPGdevil · 08-18-2013, 04:22 AM

An unrealistic Sci-Fi movie.. how rude.

SilentKnight · 08-18-2013, 05:39 AM

It's good to know that even in the hi-tech distant future of floating space stations and med pods that instantly cure leukemia and re-construct someone's head that's been blown to smithereens in a matter of seconds...they still fight with swords.

Matt Damon's character has all that exo-skeleton hardware attached to his body and he recovers from the backalley procedure in what...a few hours? No rejection or infection...and he's fully mobile and able to fight with it right away.

And in the future a dude in a burlap sack costume standing on Earth can shoot down spaceships with a shoulder-mounted RPG?!

I can turn my brain off and enjoy almost any sci-fi flick for what it's worth...but Elysium was mind-numbingly stupid with a shallow and transparent plot.

dyna mo · 08-18-2013, 06:18 AM

so where are we on this? seems like this list of errors has been debunked in this thread eh, but the movie still sucks?

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So many.... [Warning : Spoilers]

- Elysium is a giant spinning space station in geostationary orbit which is 22,236 miles straight up, but it takes spaceships that take off from the ground only about 3 minutes to get there.

- This would also mean that those little transport ships would have to travel a little more than 7,400 miles per hour. Even if they could do it they would have to accelerate at over 82 miles per second per second (about 3.74 g's) until they got half-way there and then decelerate at -82 miles per second per second to land. While the rebels could handle it the passengers couldn't. Yes of course this is just a sci-fi movie but I guess I was expecting 2001 a space odyssey.

- Elysium has an atmosphere yet nothing to contain it. This shown not once but twice as space ships "crash land" onto its "surface". Without a seal for its "sky" the atmosphere would escape.

- Elysium is always show "flat" or just about parallel to the earth. As the residents live on the inside-edge of a spinning wheel, sunlight would be coming in front the far edge of the wheel but instead it is always "overhead". The sun also never appears to change directions despite the spin of the wheel.

- Though not in the movie it is established that the residents of Elysium have "Med Pods" to cure all disease in every home (Because of increased exposure to radiation from space maybe?). If they are cheap enough to have in homes why aren't they on earth? They are cheap enough to make after all and even if they weren't it would still be much cheaper to pay to use it on earth than to fly to space to use it.

- "Re-Boot Elysium?" "To make all earthlings civilians"? "So everyone can be cured?" And the "code" is in someone's brain? That can be copied? That kills the host after it is copied? And that eventually just looks like random characters? Oh and they dress-up like Robots too. STUPID!

Elysium is a nice-looking movie for sure but check your brain at the door if you want to enjoy it.

adultmobile · 08-18-2013, 06:19 AM

bronco67 · 08-18-2013, 08:07 AM

Either we've all been subjected to one the most epic trollings ever, or Mark Prince is one of those guys that everyone wants to punch at the party.

bronco67 · 08-18-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

so where are we on this? seems like this list of errors has been debunked in this thread eh, but the movie still sucks?

Whether or not technical details are correct in a movie is number 500 in a list of what makes a movie good.

Sly · 08-18-2013, 08:21 AM

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Whether or not technical details are correct in a movie is number 500 in a list of what makes a movie good.

300 was my favorite movie until I counted the men in his squad. It was only 297! Blasphemy!

2MuchMark · 08-18-2013, 09:38 AM

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Either we've all been subjected to one the most epic trollings ever, or Mark Prince is one of those guys that everyone wants to punch at the party.

Oh come on now...

The whole point of the thread was to express my general dissatisfaction with the movie and how many movies (not just sci-fi) treat the audience like they are idiots.

Think about it : How many movies have you seen where the "Computer Nerd" is brought in and types "OVERRIDE SECURITY SYSTEM" to take it down? Or how many dial-tones have you heard on Cell Phones? Or just general nonsense on a computer screen? Some of today's movie makers seem to forget that the world is just a little more tech savvy than we were in the 50's.

Trolling? Sure, but at least some of the people in this thread got what I was trying to talk about.

peace.

dyna mo · 08-18-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Whether or not technical details are correct in a movie is number 500 in a list of what makes a movie good.

thanks??

SilentKnight · 08-18-2013, 01:28 PM

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300 was my favorite movie until I counted the men in his squad. It was only 297! Blasphemy!

They short-changed us a few Spartans?!!

Bastards!!

The Porn Nerd · 08-18-2013, 01:35 PM

I just wish movies weren't so fucking LONG these days!

pornmasta · 08-18-2013, 01:59 PM

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Where is the porn version ?

pornmasta · 08-18-2013, 02:01 PM

(never mind)

Si · 08-20-2013, 11:53 AM

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Nah... don't get me wrong I love sci-fi movies... maybe I'm just tired of the "action" flicks and want something that stimulates my noggin. I have been hoping that Europa Report would come to threaters near here but haven't see it yet.

One movie I am REALLY looking forward to is 2014's INTERSTELLAR. Written by Chris Nolan (Inception) and KIP THORNE (GASP!). Finally, some brain candy.

I watched Europa Report, it wasn't bad. I wouldn't worry yourself if you never watch it. It's a bit slow, and not that "stimulating" to be honest.

It was kind of like the first 30 minutes of a regular movie stretched out.

Jman · 08-20-2013, 11:58 AM

To me it looks like a "Smoke a Bowl" type of movie and I'll surely watch it ;)

2MuchMark · 08-20-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Si

I watched Europa Report, it wasn't bad. I wouldn't worry yourself if you never watch it. It's a bit slow, and not that "stimulating" to be honest.

It was kind of like the first 30 minutes of a regular movie stretched out.

Cool thanks for letting me know.

Some of the smartest sci-fi movies I've seen are:

- 2001
- 2010
- Brainscan
- Primer
- Forbidden Planet

I have high hopes for the upcoming "Gravity" too.

J. Falcon · 08-20-2013, 12:35 PM

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I've read about kids like you; I just figured it was an urban legend.

PR_Glen · 08-20-2013, 12:52 PM

yeah and the technology in lord of the rings was SO unbelievable.. elves that live 1500-3000 years SUUURE tolkein... how am i supposed to enjoy your shit with that stuff in it?

amaright?

chewbacca was real

Si · 08-20-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Cool thanks for letting me know.

Some of the smartest sci-fi movies I've seen are:

- 2001
- 2010
- Brainscan
- Primer
- Forbidden Planet

I have high hopes for the upcoming "Gravity" too.

No worries!

I'd give it a 6/10 at a push. It was like Apollo 18, but more "realistic", and not the kind of movie you could watch more than once.

A sequel could work and be made better, it was "Europa 1" so maybe they're planning on another movie (with the Europa 2 mission perhaps). It just felt like it was lacking something.

I'll have to check Gravity out!

bigluv · 08-20-2013, 04:01 PM

I feel your pain **********.

The "suspension of disbelief" guys miss the point - a good story is where you agree on the rules beforehand, allowing certain things to exist or happen, but then the rest of the story needs to hang together and make sense in context.

It's the same thing when movies or (more often) tv shows with lazy writing force their characters to do or say certain things to backstop certain other plot milestones they want to get to. But the character in character would never in a million years do or say such a thing.

My sense is, this is happening more and more, but maybe I'm just getting old.

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bigluv Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 850	I feel your pain **********. The "suspension of disbelief" guys miss the point - a good story is where you agree on the rules beforehand, allowing certain things to exist or happen, but then the rest of the story needs to hang together and make sense in context. It's the same thing when movies or (more often) tv shows with lazy writing force their characters to do or say certain things to backstop certain other plot milestones they want to get to. But the character in character would never in a million years do or say such a thing. My sense is, this is happening more and more, but maybe I'm just getting old.