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Listen, I know exactly what it's like to work hard. I spent 32 years busting my hump at a chicken assembly plant in Mexico City. I started at the bottom of the totem pole, just like everyone else did back then. For the first 2 years I was kicked in the balls by the townfolk, every day, until I finally earned their respect! Only then was I allowed to even TOUCH the chicken parts. Two years attaching legs, four grueling years attaching the wings... I was determined to work my ass off and get to the top! Then 30 years later all of my labor and devotion paid off, and it finally happened - I was a beaker! No more slimy parts for me, now I just take the chicken, slap on a beak, and cash my check! So don't tell me about hard work. I put in my time young fella! |
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Apart from the seasons, there is time in the shipyards where you also need to be there as well and its just draining. You wake up one day and have no clue where many years went. You can't really have a life and can't have relationships. I could probably count on one hand the number of people i know that fish full time like that who didn't end up coming home one day to find the wife had drained the accounts and ran off with someone. I was never a fan of crabbing. Its a very hit and miss and the thing with crabbing is that its even more work when you're not catching anything. If you've watched Deadliest Catch (many of those guys are from Kodiak), you get what I mean. Setting pots, hauling pots, stacking pots on deck, running for 30 minutes, setting pots again etc etc etc. Whether they are full of crab or not, the work is brutal and money is hit and miss. You see and remember all the big paydays... but dont really see 1/2 the fleet that had a disappointing season. Typical crab pots weigh about 750 pounds empty and after pushing them around on deck a few 1000 times, with no sleep, little food and no money, everyone is basically exhausted and homicidal. Fishing pollock is a bit different if you are delivering to a shore based plant, you are fishing maybe 24 hrs, then running to town for 24-48hrs to offload.. then back out for 24 hrs or whatever. If you are delivering to floating processors, then you might be on a schedule where you deliver every 18hrs or something, so basically you set the gear (the net) and just tow it until its time to deliver... usually transferring 200 tons at a time. To my point about hard work and bettering ones self, i have not been to dutch harbor in a decade and STILL have people calling me to do one money season. 2 years ago, i was offered a job to fill in for someone for "A Season" which is when the fish are more valuable as they are filled with roe and could have made around 80k or so for 45 days work, but didn't go. It's just not worth it to me. But its testimony to the power of hard work, getting along with people, bettering yourself, learning as much as you can and always trying to out-work everyone around you.... There is always a huge demand to hard workers and talented people and those people always land on their feet. |
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It is a testament to hard work when years later people are still calling you to work for them. When I was 18 I went to work for Radio Shack, which is (or at least then in the 1989 was) a shitty place to work. I didn't realize it at first. I worked my ass off, learned everything I could and was quickly promoted from part time seasonal help to full time and within 6 months I was basically the assistant manager because I would do the books, make bank drops, I had keys and an alarm code so I would open the store and could run the place. The problem is they don't pay worth a shit. I got minimum wage or 6.25% commission, whichever was more. The store I was in was one of the smaller stores so there just wasn't the foot traffic to make much money and anytime I tried to do outside sales (like I once went to a local private school and talked to them about buying computers) they would tell me that I can't do that. I had some good weeks including one when a guy came in bought 14 cell phones for his company (they were about $1200 each then), but it became evident that the only way to move up was to join the management training program and work towards that. I didn't really care for the place and hated the district manager so I ended up leaving. The final straw was when the store moved, I put in a ton of overtime helping get the new location set up and moving everything over and then they didn't want to pay me for those hours and told me I should just volunteer to do that work. I went on vacation a few months later and never went back. Three days into my vacation I went in and gave the manager my keys. He was pissed that I wasn't going to give them notice. I told them I was giving 10 days notice, I was just going to be on vacation during it. Six months later I get a call from the manager asking if I would consider coming back. He tells me he has gone through four people since I left and I was the best employee he ever had. I told him if he had said that while I worked there instead of always shitting on me as a way to impress the district manager and had he gone to bat for me to get me more money I might have stayed. While his call didn't really get me anything that would better my future, it did feel good knowing that he had finally realized my worth and I learned things while working there that I was able to use later down the road to help me make more money so it was a nice stepping stone that also helped me appreciate better jobs in the future. |
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On a side note that is sort of interesting... 1981 was the last big year for Red King Crab. Seasons were very long - months and months and they were getting several dollars a pound. People made huge money. Random felons who couldn't speak English could be walking down the dock and get a job just because a boat would be short a man and had to leave right then and there and that guy could make 30k or more a month. After that, they were gone and it was basically state-wide. Bering Sea side and Pacific side. just a massive die off. 1982 came and there was nothing. As far as I know, there is still no explanation for it. Same thing happened to a major shrimp fishery as well. Even today, Red King Crab seasons are basically very short... couple weeks or less. Quote:
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Recently she got together with a dozen or so people she graduated culinary school with. With the exception of one who is working for a famous chef in Los Angeles the rest are all still line cooks and were talking about how lucky she was to get the job she has. She said she went on a rant explaining that it wasn't luck. She worked hard and put herself out there. She didn't just come in, do her job well enough to not get fired and then go home. She said most of them just shook their heads and didn't get it. They didn't seem to make the connection be working hard and smart and moving up. |
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Imagine a place like Dutch Harbor... its remote and flying in and out is very dependent on weather. There used to be no police there. So someone could butcher someone else and eat the body and it still might take 3 weeks for police to get there. That part was nutty. I saw a lot of crazy shit happen with no help to be found. Particularly in a few villages where I spent my summers growing up. Alaska Natives + Alcohol + Too Much Free Time = Bad Times for All. Quote:
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According to Dan Masonson, the former corporate communications manager of the National Football League (NFL), and supported by the NFL Players Association - 46 percent of NFL players last year had a college degree. High IQ's ? Not in finance ..... ( they must be supporters of the $20 min wage crew) According to Sports Illustrated, roughly 78 percent of NFL players are bankrupt or under financial stress within two years of retirement. |
No I dont agree that raising them that much would help. The people doing the work will still be lazy. If they want more make them earn more. Raise the min up by 40cents per hour and if they want more than that give them commission.
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I worked for Radio Shack as well for a decade during the 90's and was manager after a couple of years, but I made that happen without managers help mostly. I got tired of literally babysitting one managers kid on his day off (while working alone) so moved to the biggest store in the district. The day that manager told me to follow a guy around the store "because he's a 'n-word'" I left his store and moved to where I still am because this is where the largest district office is for this region. Got my own store and worked at several even winning two 50% sales gain awards back to back when I realized something. The ct-350 cell phones were discontinued down to zero dollars so I got the entire country to send me all their good stock, "sold" them for 1 penny provided that the people signed up with the carrier. I literally had a line going out the store that summer for almost two solid months in a row, it was kick ass business with HUGE profits (and bonuses). Nobody was doing that back then in the 90's; giving away free phones with contract.
I got tired of that job when we got a thankless prick for a district manager who loved the "bro's" club more than people in adult do. Just a gossip lover who spent his days on the phone bullshitting. I was all about working hard and serving the customer, not being one of the cool kids on the block and wearing a fancy watch. Still am. When I started making more money in adult than I did at my job, I took a demotion and finally quit to start doing this full time in late 1999. Before that it was years at a commercial photo lab preceeded by years in manufacturing and quality control of military and commercial circuit boards. Some people are going to just work hard enough not to get fired no matter what the wage is, and some are going to work hard because that's what they're supposed to do internally. When I started working, minimum wage was 2.75 or so per hour and if you suggested it might be $5 the same exact people would be telling you how society would collapse just like today. The actual number isn't important it's the mindset. It's not just "OMG that's too much for me to pay!" It's long term and widespread ripple effect. |
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People with their hand out wanting entitlements or endless excuses and blame for their own poor choices in life. :disgust |
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WTF! The "Typical time"(*not average) spent in pro football is 2 years. You need 5 years or more to get a retirement check. Nobody would be bankrupt with a retirement check. Keep trying though. Face it; the reason you are debating this is because you have nothing more than a high school diploma and the only way to poke at the college athletes who are better looking, more manly and praised, is to call them stupid. You still lose though. . * Not using average because a 10 yr vet makes two 1 year players fit in the average of 4 yrs when that's total bullshit since 2/3 of that set only had one year. |
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That is not what these programs are for..... kids who have parents and at college. These programs and their funding are for those who lose their jobs, and have a family to support while they get back on their feet as a short term, stop gap, solution. :disgust |
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I remember a guy buying 8 cans of whip cream (too get high off of whatever aerosols it contained) by using food stamps. Some people truly are helpless, makes it hard to distinguish with all the leeching of the system. |
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I guess this is what you get in a society where no one can be picked last in baseball, hit in dodge ball, fail a grade with an F, be held back, told no for any want or desire, and they never get to know what being disciplined by a parent is without the cops being called. I am not sure which is worse, the punk ass parents or the lifetime politicians who cater to this garbage. :disgust |
minimum skills needed. minimum wage earned.
besides that, fast food, as tasty as it might be, destroys your body. i'd rather not pay them any more for making me fat!!! i can get fat for free! |
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So fast food workers wanting a raise is now considered an entitlement program? Where the fuck do you people come up with this bullshit?
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There is a seafood processing plant in Bellingham Washington. Seafood plants employ a lot of cheap labor that require no skills or education. My friends family owned this plant (and a few more). At the time, the business was valued at about $50,000,000.00. It was a decent sized operation.
Boats bring in fish on ice. Flounder, sole, rockfish etc. When they hit the dock, guys go into the fish holds and shovel them into brailers where they are then put on ice until processed (fillets etc) Growing up in Alaska, this sort of work was basically 7.00 an hour work. Zero skills, zero talent required. In fact, most couldn't even speak English and prayed for overtime. Basically, they didn't even want to work if they couldn't work 18hr days - because most Mexicans, unlike lazy Americans understand the value of hard work and pride themselves on working hard. I was stunned to learn my friends company though was paying them $15.00 an hour. PLUS full medical and dental, paid vacations and so on. These sorts of costs, radically change the economics and viability of the business. Guess what? These uneducated, unskilled morons were unionized. That means that in addition to getting many times more than anyone else in history paid for this work, they were also never satisfied. They, in their minds, were always being exploited and taken advantage of. Net result... the company eventually had to scale back operations at that plant and fire most of them. This is exactly where the conversation where the uneducated, unskilled and to put it politely "unsophisticated" lowest common denominator of society determines they are entitled to more and more and more, irregardless of the economics of the business leads. And when business is bad... how much money and benefits do they give back? Zero. |
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We also understand that you can't just arbitrarily and radically change the economics of trillions of dollars worth of companies. :2 cents: |
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well other then spending all the money they make and putting it back into the economy... The reason why mcdonalds workers don't make $15 an hr is because it would hurt corporate profits. The minimum wage when taking into account inflation has been in decline for decades while corporate profits continue to skyrocket. You complain about handouts to poorer people while the corporations enjoy absurd amounts of corporate welfare while making record profits. Just keep repeating what your Koch masters say. http://tcf.org/assets/images/blog_im...or-part-ii.png http://tcf.org/assets/images/blog_im...es-decline.png http://static1.businessinsider.com/i...-inflation.jpg |
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2) Bad news buddy. Businesses are in the business of making a profit. That is not just how a business survives and employs people, its how an economy works and grows. Money is not created in a vacuum or by government. it is created by entrepreneurs. 3) We live in a capitalist country. Not the Soviet Union. If you want to be paid more... work harder, better yourself and create value to employers in yourself. Otherwise, you are free to start your own business to demonstrate how wrong every business owner is. If we were the best educated and most skilled and talented nation on the earth and rocket scientists were routinely working at McDonalds for 7.00 an hour, i'd have some concerns. However, i have never met an unskilled, uneducated person that didn't feel he deserved more.. so... 4) If people aren't beating down your door to hire someone because they are the best at what they do, they work harder, they are highly skilled, easy to get along with and always get the job done.. then that individual needs to do a little soul searching rather than blaming Walmart. Lets stop pretending that companies don't want talented people and great employees and are willing to pay for them. |
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The point being, if you want more money, you acquire a skill through a trade or education. If you are going to be unskilled and easily replaced, then you get what the market value of that sort of job is. Minimum effort and investment in your skillset equate to minimum wage. You're paid what you're worth to the business. :2 cents: |
Agreed on the minimum wage is what minimum skills earn. It's just that as the cost of living increases the minimum wage should as well. It's still minimum. More earnings relative to expenses, more spendings. More money, less welfare.
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It's not in the high pay for minimal skill, easily replaced, lazy workers business. :2 cents: |
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Yep, every minimum wage worker is lazy and looking for a govt handout. Would you have more respect for them if they were out there selling crack or sucking dick for a living? What happened, did a McDonalds fry cook worker steal your woman or something? |
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That being said, while I appreciate your weak attempts to go off topic with your unrelated personal bullshit, it would appear you are the leader of the fry cook union. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh |
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Ha! It's clear you don't know me and that you have difficulty with facts as well as memory. But that does not surprise me in the least. Let's revisit shall we.... 1. You said and I quote .... " Almost every football player getting paid has completed a degree from a major University." THIS IS FALSE AS STATED BY THE NFL. LESS THAN 50% HAVE DEGREES. 2. You make the astoundingly absurd statement that: "Why don't you retire 2 years after college and see how fucking bankrupt you become." Your logic is so flawed I'm convinced you are a teenager. First you state that "Almost every football player getting paid has completed a degree" Then you state that I shouldn't be shocked when they go bankrupt because they only played pro ball for 2 years .. really? LOL! If after two years, these college educated geniuses couldn't play pro ball, they could certainly get jobs. College educated, former pro athletes don't have issues getting work. 3. You make a definitive ( and ignorant ) statement that I am.. lets see... what was it : "you have nothing more than a high school diploma and the only way to poke at the college athletes who are better looking, more manly and praised, is to call them stupid." a. I have my masters degree. b. I played football in college c. I NEVER said that they are stupid. I stated a fact. "78 percent of NFL players are bankrupt or under financial stress within two years of retirement" I have tremendous respect for college athletes. Especially those that go on to complete their degrees. But I have to tell ya .. I am coming here less and less because it makes me feel like John Malkovich in Burn After Reading .. and it kinda makes me long for the same fate. |
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I think a lot of people here should just be paying double for content, design, hosting and coding. After all, you don't want to be seen as greedy and trying to turn a profit.
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WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE JUST READ SOME OF THE THINGS WRITTEN AND ANSWER TO THAT! These people are working an entry level job with NO SKILLS. An unskilled labor job that a fucking monkey could od. THAT IS WHY THEY DON'T MAKE MORE THAN THE MINIMUM WAGE. Fuck! I know you're not a dumb person. So that means you are intentionally overlooking that fact. They have NO skills. This is usually their first AND temporary job. IF they work at McDonalds for a period of time AND they DO A GOOD JOB...they have opportunity to make MORE than minimum wage because they become valuable to the company. Goddamn! This is making my brain hurt. |
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Sadly, they all require some level of work and investment. Whether in experience, skill, time, or education. Some people are up for the challenge and willing to sacrifice some of their precious time for a better standard of living. Other want government hand outs or expect $15.00 because they showered and showed up for work that day. :disgust |
If McDonald's could raise prices by $0.68 and be able to afford doubling everyone's wages, they would have done this long ago without raising anyone's pay. Corporate would make more money, franchisees would make more money and shareholders would make more money.
Could it be, that the author of the article making these claims has not been informed of simple supply and demand laws? When the prices of goods increases, the demanded quantity decreases. Past that, the idea that McDonalds employee wage boost would help the economy is a fallacy. Money in the private sector has the same net effect regardless of where it is. Economies are driven by savings, investment and production. Not consumer spending. They represent a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the workforce. Suggesting they can stimulate the economy better than one of their customers is bizarre. |
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The minimum wage when taking into account inflation has actually declined since the 1970s. I'd post more graphs illustrating this but I've already posted enough (5-6 I believe). Why not just do away with child labor laws. Or the minimum wage completely. Or just bring back slavery, at least then you get free room and board. The government is here to regulate and private enterprise is here to optimize profits. Unfortunately due to rulings like citizens united, private companies just dictate whatever the fuck they want which isn't in your average person's best interest. Meanwhile republicans keep passing voter ID laws disenfranchising groups of poorer voters... government just is getting hilarious but private corporations aren't the answer. |
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http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2013/04...-rude-service/ "The fast-food giant pays its crew members an average wage of $7.63 an hour -- or $16,000 a year for working 40 hours a week for a year, according to the employer review site Glassdoor.com. That's about on par with other fast food outlets. But fast food service is among the lowest paid, and fastest growing, jobs in the country. While flipping burgers used to be a part-time pocket-change job for teens, it's become a major employer of working families in the U.S. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says that two thirds of fast food workers are female; their median age is 32 years old." This is not people's first job, this is a job people are attempting to survive and supports families. Plenty of proud people that refuse to sit at home and just take a check so they work hard in fast food. But feel free to keep with the narrative the Koch brothers keep feeding you that all fast food workers are young and lazy. |
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McDonalds I go to all the time. Just was there this morning to grab a hotcakes and sausage. Very young girl took my money. Very young man gave me my order. Standing a few feet behind that young man was a guy who looked to be in his 30's wearing a tie. I'm going to guess he is a manager and makes MORE than minimum wage. Furthermore...it doesn't matter if the guy handing me my food was 50. Bottom line is it's UNSKILLED labor. What part of that can't you understand? You don't pay people more money than what the job is worth. If they are worth a fuck, they will kick ass and go a great job and rise up by being promoted. Just like the guy in the tie did at McDonalds. You aren't thinking straight about this. EDIT: And your comments about the Koch brothers have absolutely nothing to do with unskilled labor making low wages. That has been the case since long before the Koch brothers were even born. It's called "REALITY". Get used to it. Or...change our society into one that just hands people money no matter what their skills are or the relative value of the job being done |
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Around here they are paying $9 an hour. It's an entry level job or a retired person returning to work to supplement their social security -- that is sad in itself -- if they are there to have something useful to do all kudos to them. |
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According to glassdoor.com (http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/..._D_KO11,24.htm), your guy with the tie is making an average of $9.67 an hour as a shift manager. So bust your ass and you can take home an average of $19k a year. Bust your ass and make under $20k a year lol. Not everyone has it easy like us sitting around playing on the internet. And I know this has been around a lot longer then the Koch brothers, but they and other like minded people have been pumping hundreds of millions into the media (really anywhere) to point fingers at poor people who are just trying to survive. I just bring up the Koch brothers because this is what they are doing and you can see how badly they are suffering from the current recession by yet another graph http://sourcewatch.org/images/d/d9/K...rs_fortune.png |
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