Do you beleive the NSA when they say that they aren't actually looking at everyone? Be careful..... - GoFuckYourself.com

sperbonzo · 08-01-2013, 09:38 AM

.... what you search for on Google...

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/natio...earches/67864/

"Google Pressure Cookers and Backpacks, Get a Visit from the Feds
AP

Philip Bump 10:09 AM ET

Michele Catalano was looking for information online about pressure cookers. Her husband, in the same time frame, was Googling backpacks. Wednesday morning, six men from a joint terrorism task force showed up at their house to see if they were terrorists. Which prompts the question: How'd the government know what they were Googling?

Catalano (who is a professional writer) describes the tension of that visit.

[T]hey were peppering my husband with questions. Where is he from? Where are his parents from? They asked about me, where was I, where do I work, where do my parents live. Do you have any bombs, they asked. Do you own a pressure cooker? My husband said no, but we have a rice cooker. Can you make a bomb with that? My husband said no, my wife uses it to make quinoa. What the hell is quinoa, they asked. ...

Have you ever looked up how to make a pressure cooker bomb? My husband, ever the oppositional kind, asked them if they themselves weren?t curious as to how a pressure cooker bomb works, if they ever looked it up. Two of them admitted they did.

The men identified themselves as members of the "joint terrorism task force." The composition of such task forces depend on the region of the country, but, as we outlined after the Boston bombings, include a variety of federal agencies. Among them: the FBI and Homeland Security.

Ever since details of the NSA's surveillance infrastructure were leaked by Edward Snowden, the agency has been insistent on the boundaries of the information it collects. It is not, by law, allowed to spy on Americans ? although there are exceptions of which it takes advantage. Its PRISM program, under which it collects internet content, does not include information from Americans unless those Americans are connected to terror suspects by no more than two other people. It collects metadata on phone calls made by Americans, but reportedly stopped collecting metadata on Americans' internet use in 2011. So how, then, would the government know what Catalano and her husband were searching for?

It's possible that one of the two of them is tangentially linked to a foreign terror suspect, allowing the government to review their internet activity. After all, that "no more than two other people" ends up covering millions of people. Or perhaps the NSA, as part of its routine collection of as much internet traffic as it can, automatically flags things like Google searches for "pressure cooker" and "backpack" and passes on anything it finds to the FBI.

Or maybe it was something else. On Wednesday, The Guardian reported on XKeyscore, a program eerily similar to Facebook search that could clearly allow an analyst to run a search that picked out people who'd done searches for those items from the same location. How those searches got into the government's database is a question worth asking; how the information got back out seems apparent.

It is also possible that there were other factors that prompted the government's interest in Catalano and her husband. He travels to Asia, she notes in her article. Who knows. Which is largely Catalano's point.

They mentioned that they do this about 100 times a week. And that 99 of those visits turn out to be nothing. I don?t know what happens on the other 1% of visits and I?m not sure I want to know what my neighbors are up to.

One hundred times a week, groups of six armed men drive to houses in three black SUVs, conducting consented-if-casual searches of the property perhaps in part because of things people looked up online.

But the NSA doesn't collect data on Americans, so this certainly won't happen to you."

.Time to move....

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Sly · 08-01-2013, 09:42 AM

I'm trying to figure out why they would expose an operation like that without doing any background research on the potential targets first. It's either sloppy, stupid, or made up.

"Can you make a bomb out of a rice cooker?" They just sound like retards. That is something they should already know.

CyberHustler · 08-01-2013, 09:46 AM

sperbonzo · 08-01-2013, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Why laughing? Personally I don't find it funny. Is there something I'm missing here?

This paragraph alone should be chilling....

"Ever since details of the NSA's surveillance infrastructure were leaked by Edward Snowden, the agency has been insistent on the boundaries of the information it collects. It is not, by law, allowed to spy on Americans ? although there are exceptions of which it takes advantage. Its PRISM program, under which it collects internet content, does not include information from Americans unless those Americans are connected to terror suspects by no more than two other people. It collects metadata on phone calls made by Americans, but reportedly stopped collecting metadata on Americans' internet use in 2011. So how, then, would the government know what Catalano and her husband were searching for?"

And they tell them that this is happening 100 TIMES A WEEK??? (and that is just in that region!!).

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_Richard_ · 08-01-2013, 10:01 AM

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I don?t know what happens on the other 1% of visits and I?m not sure I want to know what my neighbors are up to.

dyna mo · 08-01-2013, 10:01 AM

technology will prove to be the bane of our existence.

brassmonkey · 08-01-2013, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_

_Richard_ · 08-01-2013, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Why laughing? Personally I don't find it funny. Is there something I'm missing here?

This paragraph alone should be chilling....

"Ever since details of the NSA's surveillance infrastructure were leaked by Edward Snowden, the agency has been insistent on the boundaries of the information it collects. It is not, by law, allowed to spy on Americans ? although there are exceptions of which it takes advantage. Its PRISM program, under which it collects internet content, does not include information from Americans unless those Americans are connected to terror suspects by no more than two other people. It collects metadata on phone calls made by Americans, but reportedly stopped collecting metadata on Americans' internet use in 2011. So how, then, would the government know what Catalano and her husband were searching for?"

And they tell them that this is happening 100 TIMES A WEEK??? (and that is just in that region!!).

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interesting the part where the agents admit to searching themselves. wonder if they get 'random visits' from coworkers.

and if not, isn't that glaring security breach?

Emil · 08-01-2013, 10:12 AM

Put some hidden iframes on a high traffic site and make random google searches using bomb-related keywords.

Tom_PM · 08-01-2013, 10:27 AM

Keep Calm
And Carry On
With Your Freedom

Rochard · 08-01-2013, 10:38 AM

So who is going to try it - do a search and see if they show up at your doorstep.

_Richard_ · 08-01-2013, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

So who is going to try it - do a search and see if they show up at your doorstep.

well.. did you?

dyna mo · 08-01-2013, 11:24 AM

i just googled "free doughnuts for nsa snoops"............standing by for an onslaught.

just a punk · 08-01-2013, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Do you beleive the NSA when they say that they aren't actually looking at everyone? Be careful.....

The question is... LOL

just a punk · 08-01-2013, 11:29 AM

The Counter Strike gamers must be fucked up in your police state.

Rochard · 08-01-2013, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_

well.. did you?

I did not. I don't like it when cops show up on my door step so I'll pass.

RyuLion · 08-01-2013, 11:31 AM

oppoten · 08-01-2013, 11:39 AM

J. Falcon · 08-01-2013, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Is there something I'm missing here?

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Yeah, you're an idiot.

sperbonzo · 08-01-2013, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Yeah, you're an idiot.

Really? What exactly was it about this post that would cause you to insult me personally and question my intelligence?

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J. Falcon · 08-01-2013, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Really? What exactly was it about this post that would cause you to insult me personally and question my intelligence?

.?

Just fucking with you, take it easy.

ReggieDurango · 08-01-2013, 01:29 PM

I'll say it before and I'll say it again I do not give a fuck if NSA is spying on me. I am not doing anything illegal. I don't care if they jerk off to my sex calls with my girl. I'm an exhibitionist, that's why I'm in porn!!!

DWB · 08-01-2013, 01:34 PM

Can't say I'm surprised. At this point I assume everything everyone says is being monitored online.

Freedom... fuck yea!

RyuLion · 08-01-2013, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Really? What exactly was it about this post that would cause you to insult me personally and question my intelligence?

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Yeah man, he was just messing with you, he loves using the word: texts a lot..

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Texts

Captain Kawaii · 08-01-2013, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

.... what you search for on Google...

.Time to move....

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Yes it is.

Looks like opposing forces have joined together. Ideology and technology merged.

2012 · 08-01-2013, 02:23 PM

mromro · 08-01-2013, 02:42 PM

You say you don't care if they spy on you because you are doing nothing wrong.

The question should be, "I'm doing nothing wrong. So why do you feel the need to spy on me?!"

nexcom28 · 08-01-2013, 03:05 PM

The whole world is fucked, not just china and North Korea but also America and Europe.

Vendzilla · 08-01-2013, 03:16 PM

I love how people say, "I'm not doing anything illegal"

How do you know, how many new laws are passed every year?

oppoten · 08-01-2013, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

How'd the government know what they were Googling?

Quote:

a program eerily similar to Facebook

Honestly I don't know why you're complaining. It's your tribe, working for your people.

They should pay you to go undercover on Stormfront, if they haven't already.

Cyber Fucker · 08-01-2013, 03:38 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell_1984

_Richard_ · 08-01-2013, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell_1984

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

time for some updated reading

2012 · 08-01-2013, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell_1984

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

time for some updated reading

LeRoy · 08-01-2013, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Why laughing? Personally I don't find it funny. Is there something I'm missing here?

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Cyber Fucker is an idiot.. pay no attention to his trolling posts

Dead · 08-01-2013, 04:31 PM

^^^^ That book should be a must read for anyone interested in one possible outcome. Brilliantly wrote and expressed.
This thing is not going away, every day our privacy and "personal life" is eroded until the day we can strike that comment from the english language....have a plan, stick to it, and know, sooner is better to save any chance of self preservation. Fuckers are into everything, do not kid yourself.

DWB · 08-01-2013, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I love how people say, "I'm not doing anything illegal"

How do you know, how many new laws are passed every year?

Very valid point.

Many people are arrested every year for doing things they didn't know were illegal. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse.

dyna mo · 08-01-2013, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I love how people say, "I'm not doing anything illegal"

How do you know, how many new laws are passed every year?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

Very valid point.

Many people are arrested every year for doing things they didn't know were illegal. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse.

not only that, one can simply be charged with breaking a law, then it's up to you to prove your innocence. i was reading recently about the guy who got out of a traffic ticket for running a redlight by showing the judge his dashcam video of him not running the light. but he had to go through the process and the local court system there made him jump through hoops too. apply the same thing here. police/authorities are monitoring the local isp traffic whilst enjoying a doughnut when they think they hear you say something stupid, boom, citation. prove your innocence.

right.

xholly · 08-01-2013, 10:29 PM

http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/01/emp...te-not-google/

sperbonzo · 08-02-2013, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

I'll say it before and I'll say it again I do not give a fuck if NSA is spying on me. I am not doing anything illegal. I don't care if they jerk off to my sex calls with my girl. I'm an exhibitionist, that's why I'm in porn!!!

They write thousands of new laws and federal regulations every year, many of which are so vaguely written that you can be charged with almost anything.... Even lawmakers don't know what is there. It' is estimated that the average US citizen unknowingly violates a federal law three times a day.

Take a look at some.

http://uscodebeta.house.gov/download/download.shtml

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BladeZ · 08-02-2013, 07:41 AM

We all got spied on
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/...TEwNDEyWj.html

_Richard_ · 08-02-2013, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

They write thousands of new laws and federal regulations every year, many of which are so vaguely written that you can be charged with almost anything.... Even lawmakers don't know what is there. It' is estimated that the average US citizen unknowingly violates a federal law three times a day.

Take a look at some.

http://uscodebeta.house.gov/download/download.shtml

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that's awesome.. weight of bureaucracy

well yesterday NSA apparently thinks Canada and Mexico is apart of the 'homeland'

not happy.

ilnjscb · 08-02-2013, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_

that's awesome.. weight of bureaucracy

well yesterday NSA apparently thinks Canada and Mexico is apart of the 'homeland'

not happy.

And George Orwell thought that "Homeland" would be called "Oceana" - SEE he was wrong! Nothing to see here, there are a few small details that he got wrong, stay fat and happy!

Two Minutes of Walmart

Vendzilla · 08-02-2013, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

not only that, one can simply be charged with breaking a law, then it's up to you to prove your innocence. i was reading recently about the guy who got out of a traffic ticket for running a redlight by showing the judge his dashcam video of him not running the light. but he had to go through the process and the local court system there made him jump through hoops too. apply the same thing here. police/authorities are monitoring the local isp traffic whilst enjoying a doughnut when they think they hear you say something stupid, boom, citation. prove your innocence.

right.

Because of the patriot act, if you get thrown in jail, even if you post bail, you have to be cleared by the DHS before they can release you. That's a minimum of 24 hours

sperbonzo · 08-03-2013, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

And George Orwell thought that "Homeland" would be called "Oceana" - SEE he was wrong! Nothing to see here, there are a few small details that he got wrong, stay fat and happy!
The
Two Minutes of Walmart

Actually, Oceania referred to the UK/NATO

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johnnyloadproductions · 08-03-2013, 01:45 PM

From what I understand, on some services (like google gmail) there is an upstream capture that collects everything raw for 3 days, in effect a rolling buffer. They store meta data separately from the raw data (data about data).

It has gotten bad where they spied on people to the 3rd degree, saying that if someone talked to a terrorist suspect, who then talked to someone else, that other degree of separation was enough for them to tap you.

If you don't like it just use a VPN (hidemyass etc) and use fake accounts where ever you go.

Listen to the security now Podcast with Steve Gibson, they discuss PRISM among others extensively now.

Captain Kawaii · 08-03-2013, 08:38 PM

England was Airstrip One. UK? I dunno. Carry on..

ilnjscb · 08-04-2013, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Actually, Oceania referred to the UK/NATO

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what was NA then? I can't remember. All I know is it looks like canada isn't far enough

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