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  • sperbonzo
    I'd rather be on my boat.
    • May 2003
    • 9750

    #1

    Do you beleive the NSA when they say that they aren't actually looking at everyone? Be careful.....

    .... what you search for on Google...


    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/natio...earches/67864/


    "Google Pressure Cookers and Backpacks, Get a Visit from the Feds
    AP


    Philip Bump 10:09 AM ET

    Michele Catalano was looking for information online about pressure cookers. Her husband, in the same time frame, was Googling backpacks. Wednesday morning, six men from a joint terrorism task force showed up at their house to see if they were terrorists. Which prompts the question: How'd the government know what they were Googling?

    Catalano (who is a professional writer) describes the tension of that visit.

    [T]hey were peppering my husband with questions. Where is he from? Where are his parents from? They asked about me, where was I, where do I work, where do my parents live. Do you have any bombs, they asked. Do you own a pressure cooker? My husband said no, but we have a rice cooker. Can you make a bomb with that? My husband said no, my wife uses it to make quinoa. What the hell is quinoa, they asked. ...

    Have you ever looked up how to make a pressure cooker bomb? My husband, ever the oppositional kind, asked them if they themselves weren?t curious as to how a pressure cooker bomb works, if they ever looked it up. Two of them admitted they did.

    The men identified themselves as members of the "joint terrorism task force." The composition of such task forces depend on the region of the country, but, as we outlined after the Boston bombings, include a variety of federal agencies. Among them: the FBI and Homeland Security.

    Ever since details of the NSA's surveillance infrastructure were leaked by Edward Snowden, the agency has been insistent on the boundaries of the information it collects. It is not, by law, allowed to spy on Americans ? although there are exceptions of which it takes advantage. Its PRISM program, under which it collects internet content, does not include information from Americans unless those Americans are connected to terror suspects by no more than two other people. It collects metadata on phone calls made by Americans, but reportedly stopped collecting metadata on Americans' internet use in 2011. So how, then, would the government know what Catalano and her husband were searching for?

    It's possible that one of the two of them is tangentially linked to a foreign terror suspect, allowing the government to review their internet activity. After all, that "no more than two other people" ends up covering millions of people. Or perhaps the NSA, as part of its routine collection of as much internet traffic as it can, automatically flags things like Google searches for "pressure cooker" and "backpack" and passes on anything it finds to the FBI.

    Or maybe it was something else. On Wednesday, The Guardian reported on XKeyscore, a program eerily similar to Facebook search that could clearly allow an analyst to run a search that picked out people who'd done searches for those items from the same location. How those searches got into the government's database is a question worth asking; how the information got back out seems apparent.

    It is also possible that there were other factors that prompted the government's interest in Catalano and her husband. He travels to Asia, she notes in her article. Who knows. Which is largely Catalano's point.

    They mentioned that they do this about 100 times a week. And that 99 of those visits turn out to be nothing. I don?t know what happens on the other 1% of visits and I?m not sure I want to know what my neighbors are up to.

    One hundred times a week, groups of six armed men drive to houses in three black SUVs, conducting consented-if-casual searches of the property perhaps in part because of things people looked up online.

    But the NSA doesn't collect data on Americans, so this certainly won't happen to you."






    .Time to move....






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  • Sly
    Let's do some business!
    • Sep 2004
    • 31376

    #2
    I'm trying to figure out why they would expose an operation like that without doing any background research on the potential targets first. It's either sloppy, stupid, or made up.

    "Can you make a bomb out of a rice cooker?" They just sound like retards. That is something they should already know.
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    • CyberHustler
      Masterbaiter
      • Feb 2006
      • 28725

      #3
      “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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      • sperbonzo
        I'd rather be on my boat.
        • May 2003
        • 9750

        #4
        Originally posted by CyberHustler

        Why laughing? Personally I don't find it funny. Is there something I'm missing here?


        This paragraph alone should be chilling....

        "Ever since details of the NSA's surveillance infrastructure were leaked by Edward Snowden, the agency has been insistent on the boundaries of the information it collects. It is not, by law, allowed to spy on Americans ? although there are exceptions of which it takes advantage. Its PRISM program, under which it collects internet content, does not include information from Americans unless those Americans are connected to terror suspects by no more than two other people. It collects metadata on phone calls made by Americans, but reportedly stopped collecting metadata on Americans' internet use in 2011. So how, then, would the government know what Catalano and her husband were searching for?"



        And they tell them that this is happening 100 TIMES A WEEK??? (and that is just in that region!!).



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        • _Richard_
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Oct 2006
          • 30991

          #5
          I don?t know what happens on the other 1% of visits and I?m not sure I want to know what my neighbors are up to.

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          • dyna mo
            just a fucking jerk
            • Dec 2008
            • 68184

            #6
            technology will prove to be the bane of our existence.

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            • brassmonkey
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              • Sep 2005
              • 77396

              #7
              Originally posted by _Richard_
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              • _Richard_
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Oct 2006
                • 30991

                #8
                Originally posted by sperbonzo
                Why laughing? Personally I don't find it funny. Is there something I'm missing here?


                This paragraph alone should be chilling....

                "Ever since details of the NSA's surveillance infrastructure were leaked by Edward Snowden, the agency has been insistent on the boundaries of the information it collects. It is not, by law, allowed to spy on Americans ? although there are exceptions of which it takes advantage. Its PRISM program, under which it collects internet content, does not include information from Americans unless those Americans are connected to terror suspects by no more than two other people. It collects metadata on phone calls made by Americans, but reportedly stopped collecting metadata on Americans' internet use in 2011. So how, then, would the government know what Catalano and her husband were searching for?"



                And they tell them that this is happening 100 TIMES A WEEK??? (and that is just in that region!!).



                .
                interesting the part where the agents admit to searching themselves. wonder if they get 'random visits' from coworkers.

                and if not, isn't that glaring security breach?

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                • Emil
                  Confirmed User
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 5658

                  #9
                  Put some hidden iframes on a high traffic site and make random google searches using bomb-related keywords.
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                  • Tom_PM
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                    • Feb 2005
                    • 16443

                    #10
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                    • Rochard
                      Jägermeister Test Pilot
                      • Dec 2001
                      • 75733

                      #11
                      So who is going to try it - do a search and see if they show up at your doorstep.
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                      • _Richard_
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 30991

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Rochard
                        So who is going to try it - do a search and see if they show up at your doorstep.
                        well.. did you?

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                        • dyna mo
                          just a fucking jerk
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 68184

                          #13
                          i just googled "free doughnuts for nsa snoops"............standing by for an onslaught.

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                          • just a punk
                            So fuckin' bored
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 32393

                            #14
                            Originally posted by sperbonzo
                            Do you beleive the NSA when they say that they aren't actually looking at everyone? Be careful.....
                            The question is... LOL
                            Obey the Cowgod

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                            • just a punk
                              So fuckin' bored
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 32393

                              #15
                              The Counter Strike gamers must be fucked up in your police state.
                              Obey the Cowgod

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                              • Rochard
                                Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                • Dec 2001
                                • 75733

                                #16
                                Originally posted by _Richard_
                                well.. did you?
                                I did not. I don't like it when cops show up on my door step so I'll pass.
                                Herschel Savage
                                Brooklyn, NY

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                                • RyuLion
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 32369

                                  #17

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                                  • oppoten
                                    NAME THE JEW
                                    • Nov 2007
                                    • 4793

                                    #18

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                                    • J. Falcon
                                      www.AdultCopywriters.com
                                      • May 2006
                                      • 31645

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                      Is there something I'm missing here?




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                                      Yeah, you're an idiot.
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                                      • sperbonzo
                                        I'd rather be on my boat.
                                        • May 2003
                                        • 9750

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by J. Falcon
                                        Yeah, you're an idiot.
                                        Really? What exactly was it about this post that would cause you to insult me personally and question my intelligence?





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                                        • J. Falcon
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                                          • May 2006
                                          • 31645

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                          Really? What exactly was it about this post that would cause you to insult me personally and question my intelligence?





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                                          • ReggieDurango
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Nov 2007
                                            • 4784

                                            #22
                                            I'll say it before and I'll say it again I do not give a fuck if NSA is spying on me. I am not doing anything illegal. I don't care if they jerk off to my sex calls with my girl. I'm an exhibitionist, that's why I'm in porn!!!

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                                            • DWB
                                              Registered User
                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 31779

                                              #23
                                              Can't say I'm surprised. At this point I assume everything everyone says is being monitored online.

                                              Freedom... fuck yea!

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                                              • RyuLion
                                                • Mar 2003
                                                • 32369

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                Really? What exactly was it about this post that would cause you to insult me personally and question my intelligence?





                                                .?
                                                Yeah man, he was just messing with you, he loves using the word: texts a lot..

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                                                • Captain Kawaii
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Oct 2007
                                                  • 6748

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                  .... what you search for on Google...

                                                  .Time to move....



                                                  .
                                                  Yes it is.

                                                  Looks like opposing forces have joined together. Ideology and technology merged.

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                                                  • 2012
                                                    So Fucking What
                                                    • Jul 2006
                                                    • 17189

                                                    #26
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                                                    • mromro
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Jan 2011
                                                      • 770

                                                      #27
                                                      You say you don't care if they spy on you because you are doing nothing wrong.

                                                      The question should be, "I'm doing nothing wrong. So why do you feel the need to spy on me?!"

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                                                      • nexcom28
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • Jan 2005
                                                        • 3716

                                                        #28
                                                        The whole world is fucked, not just china and North Korea but also America and Europe.

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                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                          • 23200

                                                          #29
                                                          I love how people say, "I'm not doing anything illegal"

                                                          How do you know, how many new laws are passed every year?
                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                          think about that

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                                                          • oppoten
                                                            NAME THE JEW
                                                            • Nov 2007
                                                            • 4793

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                            How'd the government know what they were Googling?
                                                            a program eerily similar to Facebook
                                                            Honestly I don't know why you're complaining. It's your tribe, working for your people.

                                                            They should pay you to go undercover on Stormfront, if they haven't already.

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                                                            • Cyber Fucker
                                                              Hmm
                                                              • Sep 2005
                                                              • 12642

                                                              #31
                                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell_1984

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                                                              • _Richard_
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Oct 2006
                                                                • 30991

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Cyber Fucker
                                                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

                                                                time for some updated reading

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                                                                • 2012
                                                                  So Fucking What
                                                                  • Jul 2006
                                                                  • 17189

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Cyber Fucker
                                                                  Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

                                                                  time for some updated reading










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                                                                  • LeRoy
                                                                    Porn Pusher
                                                                    • Jul 2007
                                                                    • 13364

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                                    Why laughing? Personally I don't find it funny. Is there something I'm missing here?

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                                                                    • Dead
                                                                      They left the door open
                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                      • 4755

                                                                      #35
                                                                      ^^^^ That book should be a must read for anyone interested in one possible outcome. Brilliantly wrote and expressed.
                                                                      This thing is not going away, every day our privacy and "personal life" is eroded until the day we can strike that comment from the english language....have a plan, stick to it, and know, sooner is better to save any chance of self preservation. Fuckers are into everything, do not kid yourself.

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                                                                      • DWB
                                                                        Registered User
                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                        • 31779

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                        I love how people say, "I'm not doing anything illegal"

                                                                        How do you know, how many new laws are passed every year?
                                                                        Very valid point.

                                                                        Many people are arrested every year for doing things they didn't know were illegal. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse.

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                                                                        • dyna mo
                                                                          just a fucking jerk
                                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                                          • 68184

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                          I love how people say, "I'm not doing anything illegal"

                                                                          How do you know, how many new laws are passed every year?
                                                                          Originally posted by DWB
                                                                          Very valid point.

                                                                          Many people are arrested every year for doing things they didn't know were illegal. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse.
                                                                          not only that, one can simply be charged with breaking a law, then it's up to you to prove your innocence. i was reading recently about the guy who got out of a traffic ticket for running a redlight by showing the judge his dashcam video of him not running the light. but he had to go through the process and the local court system there made him jump through hoops too. apply the same thing here. police/authorities are monitoring the local isp traffic whilst enjoying a doughnut when they think they hear you say something stupid, boom, citation. prove your innocence.

                                                                          right.

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                                                                          • xholly
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jan 2009
                                                                            • 817

                                                                            #38
                                                                            http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/01/emp...te-not-google/

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                                                                            • sperbonzo
                                                                              I'd rather be on my boat.
                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                              • 9750

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by ReggieDurango
                                                                              I'll say it before and I'll say it again I do not give a fuck if NSA is spying on me. I am not doing anything illegal. I don't care if they jerk off to my sex calls with my girl. I'm an exhibitionist, that's why I'm in porn!!!
                                                                              They write thousands of new laws and federal regulations every year, many of which are so vaguely written that you can be charged with almost anything.... Even lawmakers don't know what is there. It' is estimated that the average US citizen unknowingly violates a federal law three times a day.


                                                                              Take a look at some.

                                                                              http://uscodebeta.house.gov/download/download.shtml




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                                                                              • BladeZ
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                • 272

                                                                                #40
                                                                                We all got spied on
                                                                                http://online.wsj.com/article_email/...TEwNDEyWj.html

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                                                                                • _Richard_
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                                  • 30991

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                                                  They write thousands of new laws and federal regulations every year, many of which are so vaguely written that you can be charged with almost anything.... Even lawmakers don't know what is there. It' is estimated that the average US citizen unknowingly violates a federal law three times a day.


                                                                                  Take a look at some.

                                                                                  http://uscodebeta.house.gov/download/download.shtml




                                                                                  .
                                                                                  that's awesome.. weight of bureaucracy

                                                                                  well yesterday NSA apparently thinks Canada and Mexico is apart of the 'homeland'

                                                                                  not happy.

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                                                                                  • ilnjscb
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jun 2009
                                                                                    • 8972

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                    that's awesome.. weight of bureaucracy

                                                                                    well yesterday NSA apparently thinks Canada and Mexico is apart of the 'homeland'

                                                                                    not happy.
                                                                                    And George Orwell thought that "Homeland" would be called "Oceana" - SEE he was wrong! Nothing to see here, there are a few small details that he got wrong, stay fat and happy!

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                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                      • 23200

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                      not only that, one can simply be charged with breaking a law, then it's up to you to prove your innocence. i was reading recently about the guy who got out of a traffic ticket for running a redlight by showing the judge his dashcam video of him not running the light. but he had to go through the process and the local court system there made him jump through hoops too. apply the same thing here. police/authorities are monitoring the local isp traffic whilst enjoying a doughnut when they think they hear you say something stupid, boom, citation. prove your innocence.

                                                                                      right.
                                                                                      Because of the patriot act, if you get thrown in jail, even if you post bail, you have to be cleared by the DHS before they can release you. That's a minimum of 24 hours
                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                      think about that

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                                                                                      • sperbonzo
                                                                                        I'd rather be on my boat.
                                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                                        • 9750

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                        And George Orwell thought that "Homeland" would be called "Oceana" - SEE he was wrong! Nothing to see here, there are a few small details that he got wrong, stay fat and happy!
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                                                                                        Actually, Oceania referred to the UK/NATO






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                                                                                        • johnnyloadproductions
                                                                                          Account Shutdown
                                                                                          • Oct 2008
                                                                                          • 3611

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          From what I understand, on some services (like google gmail) there is an upstream capture that collects everything raw for 3 days, in effect a rolling buffer. They store meta data separately from the raw data (data about data).

                                                                                          It has gotten bad where they spied on people to the 3rd degree, saying that if someone talked to a terrorist suspect, who then talked to someone else, that other degree of separation was enough for them to tap you.

                                                                                          If you don't like it just use a VPN (hidemyass etc) and use fake accounts where ever you go.

                                                                                          Listen to the security now Podcast with Steve Gibson, they discuss PRISM among others extensively now.

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                                                                                          • Captain Kawaii
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Oct 2007
                                                                                            • 6748

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            England was Airstrip One. UK? I dunno. Carry on..

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                                                                                            • ilnjscb
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jun 2009
                                                                                              • 8972

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                                                              Actually, Oceania referred to the UK/NATO






                                                                                              .
                                                                                              what was NA then? I can't remember. All I know is it looks like canada isn't far enough

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