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sperbonzo 08-01-2013 09:38 AM

Do you beleive the NSA when they say that they aren't actually looking at everyone? Be careful.....
 
.... what you search for on Google...


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/natio...earches/67864/


"Google Pressure Cookers and Backpacks, Get a Visit from the Feds
AP


Philip Bump 10:09 AM ET

Michele Catalano was looking for information online about pressure cookers. Her husband, in the same time frame, was Googling backpacks. Wednesday morning, six men from a joint terrorism task force showed up at their house to see if they were terrorists. Which prompts the question: How'd the government know what they were Googling?

Catalano (who is a professional writer) describes the tension of that visit.

[T]hey were peppering my husband with questions. Where is he from? Where are his parents from? They asked about me, where was I, where do I work, where do my parents live. Do you have any bombs, they asked. Do you own a pressure cooker? My husband said no, but we have a rice cooker. Can you make a bomb with that? My husband said no, my wife uses it to make quinoa. What the hell is quinoa, they asked. ...

Have you ever looked up how to make a pressure cooker bomb? My husband, ever the oppositional kind, asked them if they themselves weren?t curious as to how a pressure cooker bomb works, if they ever looked it up. Two of them admitted they did.

The men identified themselves as members of the "joint terrorism task force." The composition of such task forces depend on the region of the country, but, as we outlined after the Boston bombings, include a variety of federal agencies. Among them: the FBI and Homeland Security.

Ever since details of the NSA's surveillance infrastructure were leaked by Edward Snowden, the agency has been insistent on the boundaries of the information it collects. It is not, by law, allowed to spy on Americans ? although there are exceptions of which it takes advantage. Its PRISM program, under which it collects internet content, does not include information from Americans unless those Americans are connected to terror suspects by no more than two other people. It collects metadata on phone calls made by Americans, but reportedly stopped collecting metadata on Americans' internet use in 2011. So how, then, would the government know what Catalano and her husband were searching for?

It's possible that one of the two of them is tangentially linked to a foreign terror suspect, allowing the government to review their internet activity. After all, that "no more than two other people" ends up covering millions of people. Or perhaps the NSA, as part of its routine collection of as much internet traffic as it can, automatically flags things like Google searches for "pressure cooker" and "backpack" and passes on anything it finds to the FBI.

Or maybe it was something else. On Wednesday, The Guardian reported on XKeyscore, a program eerily similar to Facebook search that could clearly allow an analyst to run a search that picked out people who'd done searches for those items from the same location. How those searches got into the government's database is a question worth asking; how the information got back out seems apparent.

It is also possible that there were other factors that prompted the government's interest in Catalano and her husband. He travels to Asia, she notes in her article. Who knows. Which is largely Catalano's point.

They mentioned that they do this about 100 times a week. And that 99 of those visits turn out to be nothing. I don?t know what happens on the other 1% of visits and I?m not sure I want to know what my neighbors are up to.

One hundred times a week, groups of six armed men drive to houses in three black SUVs, conducting consented-if-casual searches of the property perhaps in part because of things people looked up online.

But the NSA doesn't collect data on Americans, so this certainly won't happen to you."






.Time to move....

:disgust:Oh crap




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Sly 08-01-2013 09:42 AM

I'm trying to figure out why they would expose an operation like that without doing any background research on the potential targets first. It's either sloppy, stupid, or made up.

"Can you make a bomb out of a rice cooker?" They just sound like retards. That is something they should already know.

CyberHustler 08-01-2013 09:46 AM

:1orglaugh

sperbonzo 08-01-2013 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 19741795)
:1orglaugh


Why laughing? Personally I don't find it funny. Is there something I'm missing here?


This paragraph alone should be chilling....

"Ever since details of the NSA's surveillance infrastructure were leaked by Edward Snowden, the agency has been insistent on the boundaries of the information it collects. It is not, by law, allowed to spy on Americans ? although there are exceptions of which it takes advantage. Its PRISM program, under which it collects internet content, does not include information from Americans unless those Americans are connected to terror suspects by no more than two other people. It collects metadata on phone calls made by Americans, but reportedly stopped collecting metadata on Americans' internet use in 2011. So how, then, would the government know what Catalano and her husband were searching for?"



And they tell them that this is happening 100 TIMES A WEEK??? (and that is just in that region!!).



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_Richard_ 08-01-2013 10:01 AM

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I don?t know what happens on the other 1% of visits and I?m not sure I want to know what my neighbors are up to.
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dyna mo 08-01-2013 10:01 AM

technology will prove to be the bane of our existence.

brassmonkey 08-01-2013 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19741811)

:2 cents:

_Richard_ 08-01-2013 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19741807)
Why laughing? Personally I don't find it funny. Is there something I'm missing here?


This paragraph alone should be chilling....

"Ever since details of the NSA's surveillance infrastructure were leaked by Edward Snowden, the agency has been insistent on the boundaries of the information it collects. It is not, by law, allowed to spy on Americans ? although there are exceptions of which it takes advantage. Its PRISM program, under which it collects internet content, does not include information from Americans unless those Americans are connected to terror suspects by no more than two other people. It collects metadata on phone calls made by Americans, but reportedly stopped collecting metadata on Americans' internet use in 2011. So how, then, would the government know what Catalano and her husband were searching for?"



And they tell them that this is happening 100 TIMES A WEEK??? (and that is just in that region!!).



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interesting the part where the agents admit to searching themselves. wonder if they get 'random visits' from coworkers.

and if not, isn't that glaring security breach?

Emil 08-01-2013 10:12 AM

Put some hidden iframes on a high traffic site and make random google searches using bomb-related keywords.

Tom_PM 08-01-2013 10:27 AM

Keep Calm
And Carry On
With Your Freedom

Rochard 08-01-2013 10:38 AM

So who is going to try it - do a search and see if they show up at your doorstep.

_Richard_ 08-01-2013 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19741857)
So who is going to try it - do a search and see if they show up at your doorstep.

well.. did you?

dyna mo 08-01-2013 11:24 AM

i just googled "free doughnuts for nsa snoops"............standing by for an onslaught.

just a punk 08-01-2013 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19741775)
Do you beleive the NSA when they say that they aren't actually looking at everyone? Be careful.....

The question is... LOL :1orglaugh

just a punk 08-01-2013 11:29 AM

The Counter Strike gamers must be fucked up in your police state.

Rochard 08-01-2013 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19741946)
well.. did you?

I did not. I don't like it when cops show up on my door step so I'll pass.

RyuLion 08-01-2013 11:31 AM

:helpme:helpme:helpme:Oh crap

oppoten 08-01-2013 11:39 AM

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J. Falcon 08-01-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19741807)
Is there something I'm missing here?




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Yeah, you're an idiot.

sperbonzo 08-01-2013 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 19742038)
Yeah, you're an idiot.

Really? What exactly was it about this post that would cause you to insult me personally and question my intelligence?





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J. Falcon 08-01-2013 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19742053)
Really? What exactly was it about this post that would cause you to insult me personally and question my intelligence?





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Just fucking with you, take it easy. :1orglaugh

ReggieDurango 08-01-2013 01:29 PM

I'll say it before and I'll say it again I do not give a fuck if NSA is spying on me. I am not doing anything illegal. I don't care if they jerk off to my sex calls with my girl. I'm an exhibitionist, that's why I'm in porn!!!

DWB 08-01-2013 01:34 PM

Can't say I'm surprised. At this point I assume everything everyone says is being monitored online.

Freedom... fuck yea!

RyuLion 08-01-2013 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19742053)
Really? What exactly was it about this post that would cause you to insult me personally and question my intelligence?





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Yeah man, he was just messing with you, he loves using the word: texts a lot..

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Texts

Captain Kawaii 08-01-2013 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19741775)
.... what you search for on Google...

.Time to move....

:disgust:Oh crap

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Yes it is.:thumbsup

Looks like opposing forces have joined together. Ideology and technology merged.

2012 08-01-2013 02:23 PM


mromro 08-01-2013 02:42 PM

You say you don't care if they spy on you because you are doing nothing wrong.

The question should be, "I'm doing nothing wrong. So why do you feel the need to spy on me?!"

nexcom28 08-01-2013 03:05 PM

The whole world is fucked, not just china and North Korea but also America and Europe.

Vendzilla 08-01-2013 03:16 PM

I love how people say, "I'm not doing anything illegal"

How do you know, how many new laws are passed every year?

oppoten 08-01-2013 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19741775)
How'd the government know what they were Googling?

Quote:

a program eerily similar to Facebook
Honestly I don't know why you're complaining. It's your tribe, working for your people.

They should pay you to go undercover on Stormfront, if they haven't already.

Cyber Fucker 08-01-2013 03:38 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell_1984

_Richard_ 08-01-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker (Post 19742295)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

time for some updated reading :thumbsup

2012 08-01-2013 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker (Post 19742295)

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19742353)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

time for some updated reading :thumbsup

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LeRoy 08-01-2013 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19741807)
Why laughing? Personally I don't find it funny. Is there something I'm missing here?

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Cyber Fucker is an idiot.. pay no attention to his trolling posts

Dead 08-01-2013 04:31 PM

^^^^ That book should be a must read for anyone interested in one possible outcome. Brilliantly wrote and expressed.
This thing is not going away, every day our privacy and "personal life" is eroded until the day we can strike that comment from the english language....have a plan, stick to it, and know, sooner is better to save any chance of self preservation. Fuckers are into everything, do not kid yourself.:2 cents:

DWB 08-01-2013 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19742268)
I love how people say, "I'm not doing anything illegal"

How do you know, how many new laws are passed every year?

Very valid point.

Many people are arrested every year for doing things they didn't know were illegal. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse.

dyna mo 08-01-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19742268)
I love how people say, "I'm not doing anything illegal"

How do you know, how many new laws are passed every year?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19742390)
Very valid point.

Many people are arrested every year for doing things they didn't know were illegal. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse.

not only that, one can simply be charged with breaking a law, then it's up to you to prove your innocence. i was reading recently about the guy who got out of a traffic ticket for running a redlight by showing the judge his dashcam video of him not running the light. but he had to go through the process and the local court system there made him jump through hoops too. apply the same thing here. police/authorities are monitoring the local isp traffic whilst enjoying a doughnut when they think they hear you say something stupid, boom, citation. prove your innocence.

right.

xholly 08-01-2013 10:29 PM

http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/01/emp...te-not-google/

sperbonzo 08-02-2013 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 19742147)
I'll say it before and I'll say it again I do not give a fuck if NSA is spying on me. I am not doing anything illegal. I don't care if they jerk off to my sex calls with my girl. I'm an exhibitionist, that's why I'm in porn!!!

They write thousands of new laws and federal regulations every year, many of which are so vaguely written that you can be charged with almost anything.... Even lawmakers don't know what is there. It' is estimated that the average US citizen unknowingly violates a federal law three times a day.


Take a look at some.

http://uscodebeta.house.gov/download/download.shtml




.:2 cents:

BladeZ 08-02-2013 07:41 AM

We all got spied on
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/...TEwNDEyWj.html

_Richard_ 08-02-2013 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19743087)
They write thousands of new laws and federal regulations every year, many of which are so vaguely written that you can be charged with almost anything.... Even lawmakers don't know what is there. It' is estimated that the average US citizen unknowingly violates a federal law three times a day.


Take a look at some.

http://uscodebeta.house.gov/download/download.shtml




.:2 cents:

that's awesome.. weight of bureaucracy :(

well yesterday NSA apparently thinks Canada and Mexico is apart of the 'homeland'

not happy.

ilnjscb 08-02-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19743168)
that's awesome.. weight of bureaucracy :(

well yesterday NSA apparently thinks Canada and Mexico is apart of the 'homeland'

not happy.

And George Orwell thought that "Homeland" would be called "Oceana" - SEE he was wrong! Nothing to see here, there are a few small details that he got wrong, stay fat and happy!

Two Minutes of Walmart

Vendzilla 08-02-2013 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19742394)
not only that, one can simply be charged with breaking a law, then it's up to you to prove your innocence. i was reading recently about the guy who got out of a traffic ticket for running a redlight by showing the judge his dashcam video of him not running the light. but he had to go through the process and the local court system there made him jump through hoops too. apply the same thing here. police/authorities are monitoring the local isp traffic whilst enjoying a doughnut when they think they hear you say something stupid, boom, citation. prove your innocence.

right.

Because of the patriot act, if you get thrown in jail, even if you post bail, you have to be cleared by the DHS before they can release you. That's a minimum of 24 hours

sperbonzo 08-03-2013 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 19743301)
And George Orwell thought that "Homeland" would be called "Oceana" - SEE he was wrong! Nothing to see here, there are a few small details that he got wrong, stay fat and happy!
The
Two Minutes of Walmart

Actually, Oceania referred to the UK/NATO






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johnnyloadproductions 08-03-2013 01:45 PM

From what I understand, on some services (like google gmail) there is an upstream capture that collects everything raw for 3 days, in effect a rolling buffer. They store meta data separately from the raw data (data about data).

It has gotten bad where they spied on people to the 3rd degree, saying that if someone talked to a terrorist suspect, who then talked to someone else, that other degree of separation was enough for them to tap you.

If you don't like it just use a VPN (hidemyass etc) and use fake accounts where ever you go.

Listen to the security now Podcast with Steve Gibson, they discuss PRISM among others extensively now.

Captain Kawaii 08-03-2013 08:38 PM

England was Airstrip One. UK? I dunno. Carry on..

ilnjscb 08-04-2013 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19744710)
Actually, Oceania referred to the UK/NATO






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what was NA then? I can't remember. All I know is it looks like canada isn't far enough :helpme


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