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I just checked - and I have around $1100 below minimum payout for programs I hardly send traffic to, this is just quick math by glancing at numbers from nifty stats, it's bound to be much more because many I don't even track anymore. I could chase all those different programs or I could spend my time more productively. Because I presume, that now that he had his affiliate account closed and the funds paid out, that he also removed ALL the content he used to promote the affiliate programs paysites... and not just the links right? For me that would take ages, since I worked so wrong the first 3 years doing all of this that all old stuff is not tracked right and I have hits coming from places I can't even identify anymore. So I'd much rater just let old shit sit (or close the sites as time goes by) and work on something that I know makes me money. So this isn't insecurity or anything about a bro club, it's about spending your time right. You could also argue, that if a program has a minimum payout threshold that you are made aware of when you enter into an agreement. Then the money you've earned aren't really yours until you go above said threshold. But I am no lawyer. And I run CCBill programs so I don't have to deal with stuff like this :) peace. |
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NATS has explicitly stated on GFY that they can walk any sponsor through doing a payout for someone who has not hit minimum. Looks like this particular issue is closed, but the NATS folks quite reasonably object to being blamed for sponsors not paying and claiming it is a NATS problem. |
i was paid recently less than the minimum payout when i asked to close an account.
and what damian j said is correct. it not about minimum issue , its account closing issue, if they dont have this (stealing money from affiliates account when he asked to close his account because minimum was not met regardless he was in good standing and been paid previously) in their terms then they should pay him., or expect less new affiliates. this industry is going down because of this, no respect for affiliates. |
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They now charge $75 to cash a cheque. Assholes :321GFY |
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If they make an exception for this loser, then everyone else would start asking for the same, and then proceed to make even more retarded demands. |
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Sticking to your rules, not bending over to web board rabble and not engaging in cheap BRO-style publicity stunts is a sign of integrity and commitment. Would do business. |
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Get a fucking clue. |
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Even if we take your retardedly extreme numbers into account, $50 x 1000 affiliates = $50,000 This isn't much even for a small affiliate program. I run my own program with no affiliates, and my monthly advertising budget is half that much. |
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It sounds to me like CamBoss has some sort of vested interest in this program, or he ios close with them in one form or another. That being said...
I do not see why the sales can not be verified (especially considering they are most likely old sales) and the money sent out to him. IMO it's not good business to just brush off an affiliate that sent his or her hard earned traffic and bandwidth to a program. You never know, that affiliate may be back someday to push your program again. The whole minimum payment is a scam anyways. |
employee working for 'proper business' gets paid monthly, for x amount of time.
employee hands in notice, 21 days. Employer says after the 21 days is up "goodbye, btw you didn't work a full month, so you aren't getting paid until you do another 7 days" employee says "I can't work, I don't have the tools to carry out the work anymore" Employer says "tough shit" high earners in same industry who still have their tools say "haha what a chump, fuck him, the lowlife brat cunt" You couldn't make the shit in this thread up. To the likes of warren buffet, richard branson, etc, $10k is literally 'chump change' - how many here berating the OP would change their tune if they were owed that for work they did, before shit hit the fan and it all went tits up? People need to remember where they came from, and how easy it is to end up back there, before swinging their e-dicks around, at someone who worked for their money in good faith, and was unlucky enough to have been hit by google/tubes/economy/whatever-it-really-doesn't-matter |
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They had a partnership. Deliver certain amount of goods = get paid. OP didn't deliver. FetishHits should email [email protected] and ask that OP be banned for false accusations. |
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They made good and paid him anyway, just cracks me up seeing the ballers on here spout off about 'real business', when they have no clue about what a 'real business' does regardless of what 6 or 7 figure income per year they are on. 'real businesses' don't shit on the little guys that contributed to them becoming 'real businesses' in the first place, no matter how small that part was, when it comes to a parting of the ways :2 cents: Like I said, too many people forget where they came from. |
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Seriously, where the fuck do you draw a line? One tard comes asking for money without minimum payouts, another one for money to be paid out before pay period ends, third one demands to be paid now and send joins later, fourth tard demands higher PPS payout. Do you see where I'm going with this? Rules are there for a reason. As much as you broke ass rabble try to make it out to be, this is not a case of an evil company pushing around little guy. |
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contract terminated by either party = pay out outstanding commission -------------------------------------------------------------------- early payout please = BS Your 3rd and 4th examples show you to be less of a baller than you make out :2 cents: And it's not about 'evil', it's about not being such a fucking jerkoff company, just as ANY 'real business' does. |
Those make no sense.
No one is suggesting programs should bend over backwards and payout higher PPS amounts or payout after an employee has chosen to cancel his account. It's perfectly simple for the imbeciles on the board. Affiliate: Sir, I would like to cancel my account. Please could you take this email as confirmation and pay any monies owed. The program owner should then proceed with Program owner: Certainly sir, we will be sorry to see you leave us however thanks for the time you spent promoting our program. I see you have $63 in your account, that money will be issued to you as a final cheque / PayPal / Paxum / Wire. Please remove any affiliate links you may still have up. I don't see why this is so hard for program owners to grasp. I suspect that whilst they say rules are rules what they really mean is, why should I. Fuck em. |
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What the fuck? This thread is a complete load of bullshit. Any sympathy I MIGHT have had in this situation flew right out the window when the thread title was such an obvious lie. Poor title choice.
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OK first of all I agree with the OP that he should be paid.
But please BAN the OP for calling FW Scammers in the thread title. Thats obviously false and he needs to be banned for 30 days min. I have done biz with FW and they are straight shooters, if a little on the tight side (wouldn't pay for my $6 dollar parking in a shoot budget..etc) ALL sponsors should change their terms to state payment in full upon termination is due, otherwise its just keeping someones money thanks to some fine print. But this fucking guy calling them scammers in the title... over a pittance.. gets my whiner of the year award. |
I think the truth is probably that many of these programs just don't have the money to pay. If every affiliate who left the industry with $45 left on their account requested the account be closed and the monies paid out many of these programs would go bankrupt immediately. The idea of 1,000 former affiliates suddenly hitting them up demanding the accounts be closed out probably scares the shit out of them.
Normal businesses keep this money on hand using accounting practices. In adult the owner probably spent it on crack and hookers for him and his reps. |
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I wouldn't exactly call them "straight shooters" after this. |
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Here is why programs withhold until a minimum payment amount is met: An Affiliate can say he quit the program and demand his tiny little check...then inadvertently he sends a few more sales the following week and then the company has to send ANOTHER tiny check to the dude while he searches for and pulls links...but many links get forgotten and he's bugging the sponsor for teeny tiny checks for MONTHS. There is nothing scammy about terms and conditions to prevent this. However I do think Sponsors should pay out after a termination agreement has been signed stating no further payments will be made to that Aff. Problem Solved. |
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i did a search and this is the ONLY "scam" thread related to fetishwealth and this is obviously debatable and not way its a true scam by definition. |
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Next time an affiliate who was paid before asks for their account to be closed and all monies paid maybe it will get done with less hassle as a result? The truth is that affiliate shouldn't have had to take it to the boards in the first place. Fetish Wealth should have paid him. That is on them. They aren't victims. It wasn't a misunderstanding. The owner tried to pocket his money on a technicality. |
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So, he probably does know a thing or two about scamming :thumbsup . |
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It would never really occur to me to go begging for a payout under the minimum, which although it may not be in their POS or TOS or whatever, it IS usually in a dropdown and is acknowledged and selected when you sign up to a NATS program.
Conversely, it would also never occur to me to refuse to do a payout below the minimum when someone was requesting to have their account closed. But I also have seen my fair share of small time webmasters and wannabe's yelling "scam" whenever things don't go their way, also this is the first thing out of someones mouth when I ban them for carding or cheating. As the owner of an affiliate program I have seen many affiliates sign up, do a little bit of business, then discontinue their account as soon as they get paid and sign up a second, third and so on. Usually it turns out they have been up to no good and are just trying to get their pending payout before getting caught, for some reason they think I have so many affiliates that I wont notice the same person signing up over and over. So that's one reason a program might stick to their guns on a minimum payout. I am not saying that is the case here, but it is a reason why this could happen, from a Nats program perspective. |
As we understand it with our own program...the "minimum payout" was to keep costs low so we aren't sending out $15 checks every week.
It was just a way to send out one decent sized check and save money (when multiplied by hundreds of affiliates). In 2013 I'm really thinking that there is no place for "minimum payouts" anymore. It's a 15 year old idea that was in place when sales were through the roof for paysites and it was easy to make thousands a week as an affiliate. Plus...CC Bill doesn't seem to have any problem whatsoever sending me a $15 check or a $30,000 check week in and week out. Why should we, as NATS programs, have any problem doing the same thing? |
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And CC Bill is part of our cascade and probably a part of most folks cascade in NATS after their own merchant account. And of course in our merchant account we have fraud protection settings as well. |
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