No idiot, that is not what I said.

I said $68 is NOT chump change to people in third world countries (or people under 18).

If you are an adult over 18 and you live in a non-third world country and you think $68 is a big sum of money and worth starting a thread trashing a sponsor's reputation over said sum, well then you are just a broke LOSER :2 cents:

Absofuckinglutely.

Sure, it's not a "scam" by the strict definition. But is it a MASSIVE fucking PR fail over 70 bucks. You betcha.

Fetish Wealth, anybody crying over $70 or thinking twice about working with you because you stood by your terms isn't somebody worth dealing with anyway.

whoever worked in real life with real people in a real job knows that there is only one correct answer here

Sure, $70 is chump change... But if all sponsors stuck to this policy, and say you sent 50,000 unique clicks to we'll say 100 sponsors, and all of them are $100 minimum payouts, and you sent to $30 PPS and only made 3 sales at each... $90... $10 shy of the minimum... At all 100 sponsors... Are you saying you'd ignore $9,000 as "chump change" because of that $10 difference in your balance and the minimum payout?

Can I borrow some cash, Bill Gates?

I have to agree. The man should be paid his money.

We all know what the "minimum payout" is about. It's always been a nice way for programs to make a lot of extra money. $20 here, $50 there multiplied by a thousand affiliates adds up.

Having said that...I've never had anyone refuse to pay me out when I wrote and asked for my balance.

That is just stealing.

So pay him out and move on.

This is what GFY has become

http://boston.sportsthenandnow.com/w.../crybabies.jpg

Send a couple more sales and get paid or respect the man's terms and get lost.

Why is that so difficult?

You fucking idiot .. it's not only about the money but how they do biz .. and who the fuck are you to measure what's worth and what's not ..

Oh and one more thing you clown .. if someone decide/have a reason to quit the biz and are dealing with 20 sponsors like this do you think it's not worth it? Not all guys in the biz are millionaires like you

I'm too lazy to check but wasn't it stated that really this wasn't disclosed in the terms at all?

Now that I think about it in some jurisdictions holding money because it is below a minimum amount once someone severs their business relationship may not even be legal much in the same way a utility company can't usually hold a refund due back to you because it's under $10. I doubt anything is going to happen, it's not exactly the same, and I have no idea where these guys are but maybe it's something to consider. I remember getting an $0.11 check from AT&T once after I terminated my service. This is the type of thing which is normal with real businesses as opposed to the "hookers and blow" adult industry.

Imagine a plumber not getting paid because the guy only did $80 of repairs.

John: Sorry mister plumber, i'm not going to pay you because i only pay people out at $100.

Plumber: But im going to become a pilot in a week, so i won't be able to do more repairs to reach the $100 :(

You kinda said what I wanted to say but couldn't find the words

If you get a lot of requests to ignore your minimum payout rule, then maybe your payout threshold is set too high for the rate at which your sites convert?

If OP was the only person to ever request an exception, your program would still be a lil stingy to not pay what he is owed, but, if lots of people request this, then your thresholds are clearly not set at realistic levels. This is just math.

It is only a few bucks and he earned it, so what is the big deal about paying your debt?

Because he wants to close his account and he doesn't want to do further business with them. That's why. There is no guarantee that if he sends 10,000 or even 1,000,000 more hits he will make the minimum. Especially now.

Exactly. The intent of minimum payouts is so programs don't have to cut a $15 check or whatever each month to affiliates who have a few rebills trickling in, but don't otherwise promote. The total can then accumulate until it hits the threshold and the program saves paperwork and check/bank fees.

But anyone who is terminating their account and makes a specific request should get their entire balance owned no matter how much or little, like in any other industry. They made the sales after all. Anything else is unethical and IMO the non-paying site misses the point of minimums.

I always find it bizarre that these threads inevitably include someone saying the amount the sponsor owes the affiliate is chump change. If the sponsor is so baller and the amount is so miniscule, the reason the sponsor can't pay out on chump change to an affiliate who earned it is what?

pay the guy and this thread is done

FAIR-IOD

Terms are terms. I used to deal with small time webmasters who think the world owes them a favor. The good webmasters were not the ones using all my resources to send a couple sales a week and acting like I should kiss their ass for it.

I'm not rich. I do OK I guess. I just would never throw a sponsor's name under the bus for a measly $70. So petty and childish.

how many 100s of millions you think have been stolen through this method?

How much money in payroll related costs has been saved by avoiding paying out tiny amounts to fly by night affiliates? There are two sides to this.

Granted, he did have sales in the past so if the program wants to do him a favor, be nice, cater to him, suck his balls, whatever... they can pay him the balance even though it goes against the terms set forth by the program he chose to promote.

I didn't do any due diligence here so if the program doesn't clearly state the minimum payout in their terms, they should 100% pay up.

I wrote you 3 emails altogether requesting closing an account. All from the same addy.
26/04/2012
11/10/2012
27/07/2013

Not once I got an email reply from you.

I wish I had icq history for all attempts to contacting you.
Till yesterday every time I was trying to contact you via icq your contact went offline right after.

Some may call it bullshit because it's only $68 or so. For me its a money that I earned.

I'm in the biz since May 2007. I'm building and submitting fs, galleries. I own multiple linklists and bunch of blogs. I never cheated anyone even for $1. If i'm late for paying someone for any services that I bought I always write them and asking for few days extension. I sold bunch of hardlinks and never took them down before expiring date, always writing an email with expiration notice week or two before that date.

Fetish Wealth has no statement in their POS or FAQ about closing an account with minimum $100.

For me this is a scam.

Please close my account and shove my outstanding balance in your ass.

How many links will be pulled if this thread continue on page 3

Let me guess 5, 10 , or 15

Pay the man. You earned money off his work, give him his cut. Fair is fair.

I can understand the minimum payout rule, although if it's check, it should be set at the minimum $50. If it were, the OP would receive his payout, as his payout is ~$62.

The whole "ban minimum payouts" thing is really moot. FetishWealth uses NATS, which requires a minimum payout. Moreover, their default options are $50 for check, $100 to paxum for example. The way their software works, when you hit the minimum payout you get exported to a payment dump, which is the action that causes you to get paid. Without this you sit in "pending" - which is happening now.

Also, there is no way in the software to get around this, so if they were to pay it out pre-maturely, his $62 payout will still be "pending" even though the program issued a payment, and at some point if he did make a sale or hit the minimum, the $$ would get exported in a payment dump at that time and the program would double-pay it out to the affiliate.

Good insight on NATS. I think he wants his account closed though so the risk of double payouts due to such a glitch is minimal.

When you signup for the sponsor, you set a minimum payout and now you come here to complain that you aren't meeting it? Amazing.

It's Your Money
 

They can't keep money that is legally yours. Since they appear to be Canadian, Canada has strick laws on escheatment. They can't keep the money, they have to turn it over to the government for safekeeping until you claim it. However, they get to hold on to the money for several years before the escheatment process. I'd suggest you contact the provincial office handling unclaimed funds and ask they do an audit on the company and any other companies the owners have.

Totally different story, he has been paid out $300+ before and now wants to close out his account.

ya, it's not a scam at all.. just real bad business.. but that's their choice if they want to run things in that manner.

If bad PR over 70 bucks is ok with them, then that's kinda sad..

lol.. very good point.

Well.. When he signs up, he knows he needs more than X on his account in order for it to qualify to payout. Just because you were paid once, doesn't mean that limit is then gone. It's still there.

It's an administrative hassle. While I think it's pretty bad service not to do it, it's their right to do so - because he knew the limit all along. I have many sponsors that I pushed when I started in this industry, where I never met the limit or met the limit and then stopped promoting and have still have $XX sitting. So what. Just cut the rope and move on. Especially for such a tiny amount of money. It's like... 3 pizzas... hmm now I am hungry.

FetishWealth

would you allow someone to take over his account?

IE: I offer him 50% of the value of his account pay him out and i take over his account as I know i can reach min payout rather quickly?

lol. Pretty sure this is incorrect.

I used to work in unclaimed property
 

Try reading up on things before you open your mouth.

States & I'm sure Canada is the same. They want that money. Oh, they'll give it back when you claim it, but considering NY state is sitting on over $10 Billion in UCP, the daily interest is staggering. they audit UCP the same way they audit companies for sales tax. Normally they go after the big fish, but will go after little guys after a complaint.

http://www.uppo.org/blogpost/925381/...d-Property-Law Ontario-Seeks-More-Feedback-on-Proposed-Unclaimed-Property-Law

http://www.jmsadvisors.com/blog/Onta...operty-Program Ontario-Canada-Announces-Unclaimed-Property-Program

http://www.jmsadvisors.com/images/jm...x-07-01-12.pdf

When I signup with a sponsor I usually set payout at $200 which I consider low, If the sponsor does well I will increase the minimum to $500.
I would never dream of setting a minimum at like $50 which seems to be what you are suggesting. That would be ludicrous, I would be getting 4 cheques the same week from the same sponsor.

Only in this industry do you get quotes like this:

I don't get it. Is it some ego thing innate to online adult, where the line between a True Playa and just some pasty guy in his mom's basement slinging porn is thin enough that people have to show off how well they're doing, that $70 owed shouldn't even register on their radar? And if it does for anyone else, they're a "chump"? You see this all the time and it comes across as insecurity.

Again, in other industries this doesn't fly. I do alright monetarily, but if the phone company owes me $70 credit from a closed account I sure as hell expect them to pay. If I do a couple hours consulting work for a client, again I expect that $70 or whatever.

And yeah, if I'm closing my account with a program I'd expect a payout upon request. It is sales made, work done. Never had this denied. I probably have at least several hundred dollars still kicking around programs that I don't promote anymore - most likely wouldn't take the trouble to pursue that $$$ after reading threads like these, but it would be nice to have the option to withdraw. With the amount of money programs pocket via hundreds of affiliates who don't make that minimum (and again the OP *did* make it and received checks, the site just stopped converting before a final check could be issued), you'd think they wouldn't mind.

That being said, calling it a "scam" in the OP is stupid too. People need to take a deep breath before tossing a thread up on here, think carefully about using words like "scam" "cheat" or outright accusing someone of content theft without knowing the details (as happened the last couple days).

Haters gonna hate.
Chosing to close an account is totally different than requesting the payment below minimum. If system sponsor/affiliate system is wrong then it's only affiliates fault only because we allow it to be this way.
There are things that sometimes has to be done.
Fetish Wealth decided to pay me outstanding balance which is already on my paxum account.
Sadly there are no winners here.

I do the same. Cashing a cheque in my country is like $30 and then I have to actually go to the bank and stand in line and fill out papers. Wire is much better. No hassle and much less paperwork.