NoCarrier

I am selling my TGP. Can't afford to go to jail.

Anyone interested!?

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I dont get it, do you have any basis for your topic title or are you just fuckin around?

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It's coming sooner than you think

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Again, do you have a reason for starting this thread or is it just based on a feeling you have?

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your inside tipster from the pentagon give you the info TGP guy?

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It wouldn't suprise me... I seriously could see some huge indictment being handed down just like with the sites that were selling the glass pipes. See the thing is showing pornography online in some places could be viewed as violating federal obscenity laws.

All they have to do is have a federal grand jury take place in some bible belt area and they find all these sites to be in violation of the US obscenity laws and were all fucked. All it would take is a few sites to crumble under the pressure and it would set a precedent.

Dont think it couldnt happen? ask any federal lawyer familar with how these guys work

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Look, I can't give you my source because that person would be so fucked if caught giving information. All I can say, is that I really hope he is not serious. Unfortunately, he sent me the warning e-mail today.

Don't believe me or believe me or tell me that I love the cock. I don't care. Take it or leave it. Just make sure you have a plan B very soon.

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stocktrader23

Actually there have already been cases from several years ago and earlier that have found people guilty for any actual sex. There is a precedent there that any and all actual sex is obscene by law. If the feds took you to trial on this they aren't asking the jury if they think it's obscene and that's it. They are going to show that it has already been found to be obscene and tell them they need to go by that law. Not saying you can't luck out on it but by the book it is illegal.

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rooster

yea, go the place that has actually done a big obsenity bust.

OneHungLo

Please..give us some info...

SleazyDream

hahahahahahaha is more interested in spam than TGPs - spam will be targeted first. TGPs don't go out seeking traffic - it comes to them. Spam is what people in Gov't are worried about cause it comes after them and the don't like that.

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What if the DOJ just read your post and you are now the first on the list?

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OneHungLo

I don't believe thats true that "any and all" sexual acts are considered obscene...first amendment rights protect pornography but they don't protect obscenity, but who decides if something is obscene and if something is pornographic? To date i believe that the feds have left that up to the community to decide...or have things changed?

BRISK

All that will happen if the US Government cracked down on TGPs is all the TGPs would move their servers to Canada.

The people that should really be worried is the adult hosting companies in the US.

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The government is so short on resources to worry about fucking TGP's. Especially if Iraq goes down. It'll be 9/11 time again with way more frequency. Saddam I'm sure has already pre-paid for terror events that are to happen when his regime starts to get whacked.

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Ace-Ace

What a fucking joke (at least I hope this is). The US federal government using its resources to "crack down" on TGPs instead of fund over seas efforts including military action in Iraq and attempts at diplomacy in North Korea.

Yep, makes perfect sense to me. Pretty much all on the same priority level I'd say.

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OneHungLo

I dont know about that...they're busting guys selling bongs and modchips

chupacabra

TGP's must support terrorism in some way that none of us have realized as of yet..!

Number1Thumb

KRL is thnking along the right lines. Albeit the DOJ does have those pesky little 50k a year fucks that love to reek havoc to secure employment

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OneHungLo

I dont think they let inmates run tgp's...also moving servers to another country wont do any good..they go after the money, Servers in canada but all the money being made is going to US accounts? They will get ya

SleazyDream

i love threads like this - it scares the fuck outa you little idiots and makes for less compitation.

the sky is falling
the sky is falling.

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That's because of massive lobbying by cash heavy groups.

Come on and get real. Do you think anyone at DOJ even knew what a MOD chip was until one of the lobbyists for the gaming industry called.

You only see things come out of Washington when either zillions of people complain or a handful with a ton of bucks complain.

You think the Catholic Church is about to start pressing for porn prosecutions anytime soon?

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you dont think these guys dont have any money?

They are breathing down ashhahahahaha's neck

KRL

Prosecutors take "SURE BETS". Especially now. Obscenity is too fucking murky and the last thing they need or have time for right now are murky prosecutions.

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OneHungLo

Are you kiding me? If you think this can't or wont happen you need to go soak ya head in a tub of ice water

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No offense to you TGP guys but I would be glad!!! better conversions across the board.

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OneHungLo

I will agree on the "sure bets" issue as far as the feds getting involved, but it doesnt take much to put together a grand jury and try to indict some adult webmasters

KRL

Dude, you should head for the hills and pack it in. If you want to be in the porn biz, every day you are at risk. If you live scared every day you won't have any fun in this biz anyway.

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SleazyDream

you are a fool if you think that. if they shut down TGP spam would go through the roof.

if you can't sell now you won't be able to sell if the market tightens up. The competation will still be there fucking you over as usual cause you can't keep up. It's not TGPs that give you poor sales ratios - it's your own POOR MARKETING.

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goBigtime

It just comes to them eh? From the magical traffic trees no doubt?

A good portion of the traffic out there starts as spam. From what I've seen, it usually gets sent to a landing page with a few of the spammers sponsors (or spammers own sites), if the surfer doesnt buy, then they throw them into an exit chain which of coursse will eventually pop different tgp's.

escorpio

I hope you're right but when people are being busted for selling glass objects with two holes in the wrong place I don't trust the government to prioritize their resources the way you and I might see fit. Busting pipe sellers is fucking pathetic. Why should they stop there? Hardcore porn that is accessable to anyone with the click of a button seems like a likely and probable target. I guess time will tell.

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OneHungLo

Yup im scared...its reality, It can happen. I dont know about you but i sure as hell dont want the FEDS kicking down my door at 7am

stocktrader23

Here is one article I can think of off hand. It's an interview with Bruce Taylor the attorney general in the 90's. It's long but a very interesting read.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ws/taylor.html


Here is a small part of it.

Is the definition of hardcore a moving definition now?

I think the definition of hardcore has not changed since the Supreme Court started talking about it in the 1960s. Back in those years, in the Warren court, Frankfurter and Black and a lot of the more famous judges were instrumental in defining obscenity in the early days. They used to draw a distinction between the state's ability and the state's right to have obscenity laws that applied to maybe hardcore and softcore pornography -- more simulated than actual, not penetration.

But they also came to the conclusion that that it should be limited to hardcore pornography for the federal constitution and the federal law. Some of the states went that way, too. California and New York said, "Our obscenity laws only apply to hardcore pornography." They were talking about actual sex acts, people really doing it on the set, rather than acting on the set. If somebody made a movie, an R-rated love scene, where they were sort of naked and pretending to have sex, that's acting. But in the hardcore film, nobody's acting. It's prostitution.

... So, to me, hardcore pornography -- under the definition used by the Supreme Court, with penetration clearly visible -- is the kind of material we prosecuted in Cleveland. It's the kind that all the federal courts have prosecuted since Deep Throat and a lot of those regular movies.

And it is still the standard by which the Justice Department and most prosecutors enforce obscenity laws anywhere in this country. ... That's why we could say safely, without blaspheming or defaming anybody, that just about everything on the Internet and almost everything in the video stores and everything in the adult bookstores is still prosecutable -- illegal obscenity.


Just to be clear about it for people -- is any kind of oral sex the equivalent of penetration?

The Supreme Court in 1973 also gave us some examples of the kind of sexual conduct that could be found to be obscene by the jury. They said it could be ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, and it could include masturbation, excretory functions, and lewd exhibitions of the genitals.

Because it includes lewd exhibition of the genitals and descriptions of sexual acts, magazines like Hustler and Penthouse have been found obscene by state and federal courts back in the 1970s and 1980s. But because they said that it could be actual or simulated, the states could go after simulated sex. Some of the cable versions of porno movies are prosecutable, and some prosecutors have prosecuted and gotten indictments against some of the Playboy Channel films and cable companies in years past.

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Where in the hell are you getting this stuff? If it's from a lawyer, fire him immediately.

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Dont worry about it. When you get your next job you can tell your manager he should give the regular burgers away free. While people are devouring the free burgers, you will walk around and sell them deluxe burgers! He will be so happy with the way you increase sales he will make you employee of the month.

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KRL

Why are you a pornographer then? Not trying to bust your balls here, but if you are worried so much what are you doing in this biz? Go do tupperware parties for christs sake.

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stocktrader23

Very well said. Going after porn is also profitable.

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horns

stocktrader23 - from that interview: - this guy doesn't even know what he's talking about.

"Illegal obscenity" is redundant. Obscenity itself is illegal. Pornography, even hardcore, is not.

A prosecutor who wants to go after someone for hardcore porn has to prove that it is obscene.

stocktrader23

Many people here will tell you the same.

http://www.obscenitycrimes.org/RogerYoung.cfm

The important part.

MIM: From your experience, could you -- discreetly -- describe what obscene material typically consists of?

RY: Yes. First, the pornographers and their attorneys have done an unbelievable job of deceiving, confusing and causing doubt in prosecutors, investigators, judges and the general public-so much so that basically good people have often thrown out common sense and decency, not understanding what hardcore pornography is all about. Rest assured, pornographers don't want people to be educated about this.

Basically, obscenity is hard-core material, where there's some type of sexual conduct occurring. From the various court decisions over the years, the legal definition of obscenity has been established. It's a three-prong test. The first two prongs are measured by community standards. The first prong asks whether the average person, applying the standards within their community, would find that the pornography in question, taken as a whole, appeals to a prurient interest. People get confused-they say, "What is that?" That's a lustful or a morbid or a shameful desire.

The second prong, also based on community standards, asks whether the work dhahahahats or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way. "Patently" means "clearly"-a clearly offensive way to the viewer. This includes, but is not limited, to representations of ultimate sex acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated; also masturbation, excretory functions, lewd exhibition of the genitalia, and sadomasochism.

The third part of the obscenity test asks whether a reasonable person, looking at the material taken as a whole, would determine that the material lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value. Community standards aren't applied here.

When I teach classes -- at a university, or at the Judicial College at the University of Nevada at Reno -- I say, "Well, why was this material made? For some literary prize or newspaper article? Was it made to hang in an art museum or for some artistic prize? Was it made for some political campaign? Was it made by doctors licensed by the medical board to help people with sexual dysfunctions?"

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stocktrader23

Look, I'm not going to argue with you on this. If you want to read what hundreds of people that have been directly involved in prosecuting things such as this have to say on the subject just look it up on google. It really doesn't matter what you think on it. It's the feds definition. They will start going after "vanilla" sex again. This conservative government is nothing to take lightly.

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OneHungLo

Definitely a good read stocktrader...only good thing about this for pornographers sake is that it is confusing. For example the words "prurient interest" ..who the fuck knows what that means? Those words haven't been used since the pilgrims arrived here in 1620.

What still boggles me today is how in the fuck did Max Hardcore not get convicted in his obscenity trial in LA??

horns

Look, I HAVE been prosecuted for this. And you're just flat out wrong to say "There is a precedent there that any and all actual sex is obscene by law. If the feds took you to trial on this they aren't asking the jury if they think it's obscene and that's it. They are going to show that it has already been found to be obscene and tell them they need to go by that law."

Your post above is relevant in the fact that it's called the Miller Test. That's what defines obscene material, and it has to be proven in each individual case.

You may be correct that "vanilla sex" is something they might try to go after, but they still have to prove it obscene.