TheSquealer

Neighbor testified to Zimmerman being on his back, on the ground crying for help - with Martin on top, MMA style, full mount giving him the ground and pound. Martins knuckles are fucked up with no other injuries. Zimmerman's face is busted up.

Martin has no argument for defending himself when he's clearly on offense according to witnesses and the evidence supports that.

From what little I've seen, heard and read, the prosecutor should be fired.

I'm not racist - I hate idiots equally, regardless of race.

L-Pink

Prosecutor was told to bring charges to calm black community.

And I agree, without resonable doubt will never be proven.


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madm1k3

It all depends the Jury's interpretation on how/when the confrontation started.

Even if Zimmerman was getting his head kicked in, he ignored the 911 operator's instructions to not follow him.

If the jury believes Zimmerman started the confrontation by continually following the kid then he's guilty. If the Jury thinks Martin started the confrontation by attacking Zimmerman for following him then he's free.

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black community will flip the fuck out if Zimmerman is acquitted

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I plan to.

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And yet there were three other witnesses who claim Zimmerman was on top. Regardless, you stalk someone you should get the shit kicked out of you.

vdbucks

Why do people twist facts in order to suit their opinions? The phone call provides - at the very least - circumstantial proof that while Zimmerman initially began to follow Martin, he was instructed not to and told the dispatch officer that he was returning to his car.

But, forget all that... If there is 1 or more black person on the jury then I suspect a mistrial at best because people - blacks especially - never look past these stupid racial lines, and from the very beginning this entire thing has been race baited to death by everyone... so I don't expect the outcome to be fair and just regardless, because the mainstream media jumped all over this entire thing in order to get a good "story" instead of reporting the facts like they should have...

SuckOnThis

If he did return back to his car Martin would be alive today.

madm1k3

don't twist facts to support your opinion. its all the Blacks fault, didn't you read his very rational post!

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vdbucks

That is completely circumstantial. As far as I know, there are no witnesses that can prove Zimmerman wasn't returning to his car, so the 911 call will play a big part.

vdbucks

You are a moron

SuckOnThis

Zimmermans version is he returned back to his car and he forgot what street he was on so he got back out to find a street sign, you believe that bullshit?

L-Pink

Well, based on the GFY jury this case is a hopeless mistrial.

I predict Zimmerman changes his last name to Rodriguez moves and disappears.


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vdbucks

I don't have an opinion either way, and I don't really care. If the evidence supports and proves the charges, then fry his ass; if it doesn't then he has to walk.

What I do care about though is how the media was allowed to turn this entire thing into one big fucking circus just so they could get a good story; because now, the entire thing is portrayed as some racially motivated hate crime; where Zimmerman is portrayed as big bad whitey (when he's not even white!) and Martin is portrayed as a little angel. There's a reason the media used pictures of Martin from when he was like 10 instead of his wannabe thug shots in more recent times.

The entire thing is a huge fucking joke.

Rochard

How can he be acquitted? He started a confrontation in which he killed another man, period.

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vdbucks

There is no evidence whatsoever that proves who started the confrontation. Your opinion may be that Zimmerman started the confrontation, but there needs to be actual evidence to prove it as fact.

xNetworx

convicted of a lesser charge

vdbucks

Probably what it'll boil down to...

Rochard

This is an interesting angle. What makes this a racial crime? Because a Hispanic man killed a black man? From this point forward, any time two different races are involved should we just call this a racial crime?

Does Zimmerman have a racial issue? Does he have a long history of hating blacks?

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vdbucks

The media circus made this into a racial crime. None of the evidence that I've seen suggests anything of the sort... unless you're going to hold on to the cunt hair thin "profiling" angle of the initial 911 call... an angle which is easily refuted because Zimmerman called in suspicious activity, and race was never mentioned until he was asked by the 911 dispatch. And if I recall correctly, the words "I think he's black" doesn't exactly give any amount of credibility to the racial profiling angle because he wasn't even sure.

TheSquealer

Seems these days that you have to be trolling every time you post. The question is not "is he an asshole" - they both clearly are and that's well supported by evidence. The question is "did he commit 2nd degree murder". The evidence says he didn't ... It says he was defending himself. Manslaughter? The prosecution isn't even close to proving manslaughter.

If only OJ had this prosecutor - it would have saved tax payers millions to just fuck the trial up from day one

madm1k3

NO you clearly do have an opinion.

I stated Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator and you said I was twisting facts. You believe "Zimmermans version is he returned back to his car and he forgot what street he was on so he got back out to find a street sign, you believe that bullshit?" I don't, sounds pretty fucking made up. But then again so does half the shit in the prosecutor's argument.

But it doesn't matter what I think, or anyone besides the Jury thinks. If they believe Zimmerman started the confrontation by following Martin... he's guilty. If the jury believes the confrontation was started by Martin... he's innocent

This case is interesting to me not because of race but because of the definition of confrontation. If someone is following you and you confront them are you then the aggressor? Or is the act of following someone enough to consider the confrontation already started.

but I'm just a moron

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kane

This is why ultimately the case will come down to Zimmerman's believably. When you look at the map of where events took place it is clear that Zimmerman was a decent distance away from his car. There is nothing illegal about that.

It looks like he followed Martin. Again, nothing illegal. The big question is how the fight started. Zimmerman is claiming that Martin attacked him and he was just defending himself. If the jury believes him he will go free. The prosecution is saying that Zimmerman started the fight and Martin was defending himself. If the jury believes that Zimmerman goes to jail.

Since Martin isn't here to testify and, as far as I know, there were no witnesses that saw how the fight started, the case really boils down to how believable Zimmerman is.

pornguy

Sorry to tell you this but Zimmerman is white. He is white hispanic

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TheSquealer

Factually and legally incorrect. 1) He was not "ordered to do anything" (check the language used). 2) Anything the 911 operator tells him to do is 100% irrelevant. 911 dispatchers are not law enforcement. Regardless, the operator didn't order him to do anything as they are not in a position to do so.

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pornguy

I believe in Florida now to not follow the directions like that of a 911 operator is failing to obey a law enforcement officer. Within a certain scope of course. But not sure if that was ever passed.

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brassmonkey

probably

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That would make Obama a white African American.


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TheSquealer

I looked it up just to verify. There is no such law. Also, now that you mention it, that seems like an odd thing to legislate as a 911 on the phone is not advising based on all the facts and the facts change very quickly - often quicker than they can be clearly and completely communicated. Additionally, communication is almost always unclear as one person is often panicked and dealing with multiple things at once. From a legal standpoint, it seems this would open up a dept to an insane degree of legal liability. I can't see something like that even happening... would be interesting to see how it would be worded.

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crockett

IMO this only went to trial because the black community had a big up rage and was protesting about it.

Sanford is pretty close to where my dad lives and the black churches were having a hussy fit over this well before Zimmerman was charged.

Any fool saw that Zimmerman had been beat up. He was in the wrong for continuing to follow, but it's been pretty clear that he didn't just shoot him for no reason.

Perhaps Zimmerman provoked it but the kid did attack him.

IMO the media has made this look like a more open case than it was.

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I was thinking of tracking down and killing people with the last name Zimmerman.

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i am surprised that a map of the incident won't be the key. If he was near his car as he stated he was doing then he should be ok but if he was not anywhere near his car or going that way then he is guilty.

baddog

Just wondering if you are watching the trial or not.

pornguy

No he can claim either black or white.

The race card used to only have these

White Black Red and Yellow.

They added hispanic to be PC..

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sicone

Why does everyone skip over Florida's Stand Your Ground law, and how poorly written/worded it is at this time with huge allowances for what is considered standing your ground in self defense. That's the law that allowed Zimmerman to follow and defend himself with lethal force once the fight started. It does not matter who engaged the fight, threw the first punch or who was on top and winning when the shot(s) were fired. Trayvon could have shot Zimmerman and would have every right to claim this same law as his defense

A person can only be convicted/acquitted of laws that exist, are on the books and active. Not the ones we wish were actually laws. It is that law that will set Zimmerman free. Look up other Florida cases where people (of all races) were acquitted under this law.

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I know at one point they were working on it for exact things like this.

And why I said it would be limited in scope. For instance. the 911 operator told him not to follow or approach this " Potentially dangerous " person. ( based on the way Zimmerman called it in ). To then approach would have been doing exactly what he was told not to do by these people. It escelates to an issue that may not have happened.

Like I said it was being tossed around one time when I read about it but I was not sure how far it went.

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TheSquealer

I think at the end of it all, almost every single fact is irrelevant apart from

1) Who physically attacked who
2) Was he to believe he faced imminent danger of being badly injured or killed

Anyone can follow, harass, be a dickhead, shout racial slurs or whatever, that does not give the offended party, the legal right to attack them physically. "he hurt my feelings" or "he's a creepy ass cracker" are not justifications for physical violence.

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look at you handing race down to folkz

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No one cares about facts. Facts do build readership to news sites.

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brassmonkey

sicone gfy attorney at law

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

i thought it was based on castle_doctrine.. meaning the person has to actually own or occupy a residence for stand your ground to apply

walking down a street is not 'stand your ground'

kane

My understanding is that Zimmerman's attorneys are not even trying to use the Stand Your Ground law here, but instead are saying this is a straight up case of self defense.

tonyparra

Zimmermans dad is white. But Zimmerman isnt white according to most whites. Tiger Woods dad is black, his mother is not. But Tiger Woods is considered black. Obama mother is white, yet Obama is considered black by the very same gfy soapbox crw. People twist things to how they want to, if Zimmerman is innocent he deserves his freedom (i dont believe he is) if he is guilty he deserves punishment. This case isnt about race, whether or not Martin was a good kid or Zimmerman was racist.

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richard no facts please

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L-Pink

So I'm at a gas station and am attacked by someone I can't stand my ground? In the state of Florida I may stand my ground refusing to retreat provided I'm legally allowed to be where I am.


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sicone

Different laws for different states. Some states don't even allow for stand your ground.

Here In California, for that law to apply the aggressor/violator has to be physically inside your property. So if a person breaks into my house and is still inside when I shoot and injure/kill him I am well within my rights under the law. If he is on my porch or lawn, I can be charged with murder among other law violations.

However, we are talking about Florida here and only the Florida laws matters for this case. Read up on the Florida "stand your ground" law and some of the cases it has been used to get the person charged acquitted. Your jaw will probably hit the floor with what it allows in the name of "self defense". Specifically the case where an argument occurred on a basketball court, the defendant went home, got a gun, came back and killed a man. The defendant was acquitted under this law.

In my personal opinion, Zimmerman is guilty and should do time. But my opinion and emotions don't matter, only the actual law does. This will be an extremely hard job for those jurors, just as in the Casey Anthony case. I for one am glad to not be on it.

I do agree with you that walking down the street/following someone is not reasonable stand your ground or self defense

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that's different id like to see some witnesses that saw zimmerman around. was his gun holstered? did he conceal it? did he have a permit to conceal it?

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tonyparra

If someone follows you in their car, gets out and follows and provokes a fight with you, you get the upper hand so then he shoots you, if you survive you will say "Its cool cus I deserved it."

Your logic makes no sense.

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