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JP-pornshooter · 06-21-2013, 10:05 AM

its all about self control and self discipline.

this skill set may however come from:
1. genetics
2. learning/root ie parenting

so in a sense, we are all addicted to these things the only thing preventing us from indulging is the 2 above skills.
those who master those 2 skills also do better in school, business and life in general.
the will to overcome temptations is alpha omega.

Jel · 06-21-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i've seen too many lose everything and still not be able to smarten up.

All due respect, it's not about smartening up - people who have lost everything and are still doing their drug of choice are not in a rational state of mind, so cannot make a 'smart' decision when it comes to their addiction.

They can't - or rather won't, stop until they've taken enough pain, or die.

Jel · 06-21-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

its all about self control and self discipline.

this skill set may however come from:
1. genetics
2. learning/root ie parenting

so in a sense, we are all addicted to these things the only thing preventing us from indulging is the 2 above skills.
those who master those 2 skills also do better in school, business and life in general.
the will to overcome temptations is alpha omega.

And that's the mindset of non-addicts which is why so many who would desperately like to ask for help, don't. Its has fuck all to do with self control/discipline by the very fact it's a fucking addiction lol. Jesus christ

and lofl at the high horse 'better in life in general' horseshit, oh please....

Joshua G · 06-21-2013, 10:18 AM

very amusing, reading the comments from non-addicts about addiction.

main problem is that one cannot know if they become addicted until its too late. majority of people experiment & never get addicted. then come here & make retard comments applying their experience to all people.

but the people who are addicts, have lots in common besides doing drugs . obsession, self centeredness, sacrifice a normal life to accomplish a singular behavior.

there are certainly people who are addicts but never did drugs & sometimes they are addicts to things society deems glamorous, like being a great actor or entreprenuer. Schwarenegger & Jobs were unquestionably addicts. Its called work a holic.

& theres no doubt there is a gene for it. & even when the drugs are gone, addicts still have to deal with compulsions & ego in ways non addicts have no clue.

dyna mo · 06-21-2013, 10:21 AM

rarely irl are things black& white

it's not addicts and non-addicts. there's a huge middle ground here and i think it's entirely relatable to many people.

Grapesoda · 06-21-2013, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

the weed addicts you know might just be assholes with weed having nothing to do with it...

that's right it's always the guns fault and NEVWER the weeds fault

Grapesoda · 06-21-2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

it sound like you're describing the weed equivalent of 'non-potable substances'

you would probably fine the same results with 'do-it-yourself pharmacy'

an addict is an addict to me and weed = any other bullshit drug to me

Grapesoda · 06-21-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i just wonder what makes people do despite knowing full well the dangers of doing so. drinking is a tricky thing, its hard to completely avoid. you can have a few drinks with friends and be done with it but for others, its not that easy. when it comes to drugs it much easier to completely avoid because its not a legal socially encouraged thing to do. i have never touched anything harder than weed or mushrooms simply because i know the dangers that come with going any further. i've seen too many lose everything and still not be able to smarten up.

the easiest person to lie too is yourself in most cases and people have different concepts of danger and ego

Grapesoda · 06-21-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

. It's encouraged in our culture to drink, .

yes I agree, I never ever liked booze in any form yet drank because I wanted to fit in, be cool, get pussy etc... I am a total black out drinker... 1 or 2 drinks and it's on... no control at all...

_Richard_ · 06-21-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

an addict is an addict to me and weed = any other bullshit drug to me

what is life like not consuming sugar?

BlackCrayon · 06-21-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

All due respect, it's not about smartening up - people who have lost everything and are still doing their drug of choice are not in a rational state of mind, so cannot make a 'smart' decision when it comes to their addiction.

They can't - or rather won't, stop until they've taken enough pain, or die.

yeah, bad choice of words.

dyna mo · 06-21-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

what is life like not consuming sugar?

i don;t have a problem with it.

GregE · 06-21-2013, 10:38 AM

Some people are clearly more prone to addiction than others.

A buddy of mine will go through a pack and a half of cigarettes during a single night out drinking and then not light up again for a week or more. He's been like that for over 20 years.

If I had to guess, I'd say it has more to do with internal body chemistry than anything else.

JP-pornshooter · 06-21-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

And that's the mindset of non-addicts which is why so many who would desperately like to ask for help, don't. Its has fuck all to do with self control/discipline by the very fact it's a fucking addiction lol. Jesus christ

and lofl at the high horse 'better in life in general' horseshit, oh please....

Once you are fully addicted, yes then what i mention makes little sense.
But those with stronger mindsets are better able to deflect the urge and direct the energy in a different direction.
If you are addicted, by all means ask for help.

Personally I battle urge to drink and smoke cigars, not on a daily basis but once you give in then next thing you know it is every night and then more and more..
People use coping as an excuse, i dont believe it for one second.
We just like to feel good, drugs makes us feel good - for a while.

I have no problem with weed, as long as people use it for:
1. medical issues
2. recreational use - meaning once every other week or less to really have an interesting experience, not just another round of brainless stupidity.

SGS · 06-21-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

IMO weed is the very worst offender because it doesn't really fuck your life up enough to notice that you need to change ...

Unless you are watching from the outside. Some people have secret coke and heroin habits but you can spot a stoner a mile off every time.

_Richard_ · 06-21-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS

Unless you are watching from the outside. Some people have secret coke and heroin habits but you can spot a stoner a mile off every time.

dyna mo · 06-21-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS

Unless you are watching from the outside. Some people have secret coke and heroin habits but you can spot a stoner a mile off every time.

i'm loling because of how stupid this is, not because of how funny it is.

arock10 · 06-21-2013, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS

Unless you are watching from the outside. Some people have secret coke and heroin habits but you can spot a stoner a mile off every time.

I'm so glad to have a secret heroin and coke addiction cause I sure wouldn't want to look like a stoner

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06-21-2013, 10:38 AM	#63
GregE Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 2,704	Some people are clearly more prone to addiction than others. A buddy of mine will go through a pack and a half of cigarettes during a single night out drinking and then not light up again for a week or more. He's been like that for over 20 years. If I had to guess, I'd say it has more to do with internal body chemistry than anything else. __________________ 50/50 lifetime payout - EXCLUSIVE CONTENT - CCBill CLiCK here for your Bun Beating Dollars.

06-21-2013, 10:18 AM	#54
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	very amusing, reading the comments from non-addicts about addiction. main problem is that one cannot know if they become addicted until its too late. majority of people experiment & never get addicted. then come here & make retard comments applying their experience to all people. but the people who are addicts, have lots in common besides doing drugs . obsession, self centeredness, sacrifice a normal life to accomplish a singular behavior. there are certainly people who are addicts but never did drugs & sometimes they are addicts to things society deems glamorous, like being a great actor or entreprenuer. Schwarenegger & Jobs were unquestionably addicts. Its called work a holic. & theres no doubt there is a gene for it. & even when the drugs are gone, addicts still have to deal with compulsions & ego in ways non addicts have no clue.

06-21-2013, 10:21 AM	#55
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 66,142	rarely irl are things black& white it's not addicts and non-addicts. there's a huge middle ground here and i think it's entirely relatable to many people.