Hilarious Gun Debate video

[Yanks_Todd]

The end is just epic.

http://vimeo.com/64432171#

[Tom_PM]

Gun lobby. Slip in some facts and it shits itself.

The 2nd amendment contains the words "well regulated" but don't try to slip that fact into a debate.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Gun lobby. Slip in some facts and it shits itself.

The 2nd amendment contains the words "well regulated" but don't try to slip that fact into a debate.

I suppose those "facts" could include the actual Supreme court precedence on what the second amendment actually means.... rather than the opinion of some guy with an anti-second amendment agenda... but maybe I"m going out on a limb here.

If you are at all interested, you could look at "Heller v D.C." and "Chicago v Mcdonald"


There are always idiots you can find on every side, of every debate.




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[bronco67]

Shut down...so funny.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I suppose those "facts" could include the actual Supreme court precedence on what the second amendment actually means.... rather than the opinion of some guy with an anti-second amendment agenda... but maybe I"m going out on a limb here.

If you are at all interested, you could look at "Heller v D.C." and "Chicago v Mcdonald"


There are always idiots you can find on every side, of every debate.




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A background check at a gun show isn't anti-second amendment. It's common sense.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I suppose those "facts" could include the actual Supreme court precedence on what the second amendment actually means.... rather than the opinion of some guy with an anti-second amendment agenda... but maybe I"m going out on a limb here.

If you are at all interested, you could look at "Heller v D.C." and "Chicago v Mcdonald"


There are always idiots you can find on every side, of every debate.

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This is what I love about debates - you can twist facts and figures all day long.

Last year Chicago had some 500 firearm deaths and the gun nuts were up in arms saying this proof that gun laws don't work. At the same time, firearm deaths are down in Chicago are going down over a twenty year period. 500 deaths is a lot better than 1500. Just depends on what side you are on.

[SuckOnThis]

Whoop de fucking do!

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

.. rather than the opinion of some guy with an anti-second amendment agenda... but maybe I"m going out on a limb here.

If you are at all interested, you could look at "Heller v D.C." and "Chicago v Mcdonald"

PR_Tom hates freedom...and probably kittens to

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by bronco67

A background check at a gun show isn't anti-second amendment. It's common sense.

It's also currently required by Federal law.

The only time a gun purchase is not required to go through a background check is when it's a private seller. Regulate private sales at the gun shows and that will end. All the gun shows around my area do this already, without additional laws.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by AaronM

It's also currently required by Federal law.

The only time a gun purchase is not required to go through a background check is when it's a private seller. Regulate private sales at the gun shows and that will end. All the gun shows around my area do this already, without additional laws.

But is it a universal background check? I mean, if I've convicted of assault in California, can I still buy a gun in Florida?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[TheFootMan5]

No one is really into gun control without talking about the fact that the government has all the guns and bullets and bombs in the world...or do they somehow not count??

[2MuchMark]

Saw this the other night. The Gun lobby is so full of shit.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But is it a universal background check? I mean, if I've convicted of assault in California, can I still buy a gun in Florida?

It's a Nation wide Federal database.

National Instant Criminal Background Check System. Also knowns as NICS.

"Mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 and launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998"

People need to quit listening to the fucking media.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[AaronM]

To clarify...

3 of the major traveling gun shows on the west coast are The Rocky Mountain Gun Show, Collectors West, & Crossroads of the West. All 3 shows allow non FFL's to have tables where they can buy and sell. I've attended the Rocky Mountain shows in Utah, Nevada, & California. The Crossroads shows in Arizona, Utah, & Nevada. And the Collectors West shows in Oregon and Washington.

Every show I have been to in the past 6+ years has had a table specifically for the private collectors and out of State FFL's to run NICS checks. When you register for a table at any of these shows, you sign an agreement that requires you to use these services.

That being said....If "Bob" walks into the show with his rifle over his should and a for sale sign hanging out of the barrel, he can legally sell it to anybody without a NICS check because he is not associated with the show nor is he an FFL holder. THIS is where the "Universal" part comes in and it really has nothing to do with any kind of "gun show loophole." "Bob" could easily place an ad on Backpage and find his buyer there instead. Where you are introduced to the buyer has nothing to do with the "Universal" part but the media wants you to think it's about gun shows.

There is no way to effectively implement a "Universal Background Check" system these days simply because there are so many guns that are already unregistered. The only way to do it would be similar to what they did with the 1934 National Firearms Act. This would require full gun registration for EVERY SINGLE gun in the country and that is never going to happen in the United States. Even today, 79 years after they passed the NFA, there are still "machine guns" that were never added to the registry or destroyed.

[TheFootMan5]

How come the government can have all the guns in the world?

Can anyone answer this?

[Joe Obenberger]

I think that it's time to require background checks and a 72 hour cooling off period before the sale of any pressure cookers. And convicted felons and those under indictment and those who've been convicted of domestic battery, of course, should be prohibited from acquiring them. All sales should go through licensed cookware dealers - who, at the same time can do the background checks on anyone seeking to buy knives longer than, say three inches. Ditto for sales of gasoline, bleach, cotton, nitric acid, bleach, BBs, ball bearings, chainsaws, and - well, what other weapons of mass destruction or constituent parts of them have I left off? That will, by analogy to what I've been hearing about guns, bring about the Millennium, peace on earth, and the end of mayhem, because, of course, criminals only acquire these things by buying them at retail in places that charge sales tax. I'm sort of amazed that I have not heard this suggestion about pressure cookers - a much easier sell, I'd think, because the Founders neglected to establish a constitutional right to canning in a well-regulated circle of fruit and vegetable preservationists. With no Bill of Rights protection, I suspect the Pelosi's and Obamas of this world would feel not the slightest restraint from regulating pressure cookers as they see fit, perhaps even confiscating them in the interest of creating a nation of angels.

No, I seriously don't believe in regulating pressure cookers. But I think that regulating them will reduce violent, terrorist attacks just as effectively as further regulating guns would, and just as effectively as Prohibition ended alcoholism and just as effectively as drug laws have ended addiction and the other ills that stem from drug abuse.

[TheFootMan5]

Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

I think that it's time to require background checks and a 72 hour cooling off period before the sale of any pressure cookers. And convicted felons and those under indictment and those who've been convicted of domestic battery, of course, should be prohibited from acquiring them. All sales should go through licensed cookware dealers - who, at the same time can do the background checks on anyone seeking to buy knives longer than, say three inches. Ditto for sales of gasoline, bleach, cotton, nitric acid, bleach, BBs, ball bearings, chainsaws, and - well, what other weapons of mass destruction or constituent parts of them have I left off? That will, by analogy to what I've been hearing about guns, bring about the Millennium, peace on earth, and the end of mayhem, because, of course, criminals only acquire these things by buying them at retail in places that charge sales tax. I'm sort of amazed that I have not heard this suggestion about pressure cookers - a much easier sell, I'd think, because the Founders neglected to establish a constitutional right to canning in a well-regulated circle of fruit and vegetable preservationists. With no Bill of Rights protection, I suspect the Pelosi's and Obamas of this world would feel not the slightest restraint from regulating pressure cookers as they see fit, perhaps even confiscating them in the interest of creating a nation of angels.

No, I seriously don't believe in regulating pressure cookers. But I think that regulating them will reduce violent, terrorist attacks just as effectively as further regulating guns would, and just as effectively as Prohibition ended alcoholism and just as effectively as drug laws have ended addiction and the other ills that stem from drug abuse.

And what about the government?

[TheFootMan5]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

The end is just epic.

http://vimeo.com/64432171#

Wow, listening to the audience and the guy doing the interview shows how immature the human species really is. Unbelievable how DUMB humans are as a collective...unreal!

[Joe Obenberger]

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5

And what about the government?

Sure, only law enforcement, the National Guard, the Armed Forces and the CIA should have access to pressure cookers. Why not? It's just as loony as any of the arguments I've heard about AR15's and clips that can hold more than three BBs.

There is a certain disconnect from reality in the arguments of those who suppose that crazy people and drug-dealing gang members will stop murdering people if only we regulate the acquisition of guns at normal retail. Common sense gun regulation? No, that thinking is delusional and cooked up by do-gooders who have not the slightest clue about how guns actually move around in the twilight zone subcultures.

The proposed regulations will only stop those already predisposed to obeying the law from acquiring what any criminal worth his salt can scrounge up in a day or so. When something terrible happens, legislators at every level cook up a law. When your only tool is a hammer, all the problems look like nails. That's how 2257 emerged from the Tracy Lords debacle, even though she had a legitimate California ID issued to her by using an adult's birth certificate and 2257 would not have slowed her down by a second. Same idea here. Background checks won't stop one murder.

[TheFootMan5]

Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

Sure, only law enforcement, the National Guard, the Armed Forces and the CIA should have access to pressure cookers. Why not? It's just as loony as any of the arguments I've heard about AR15's and clips that can hold more than three BBs.

There is a certain disconnect from reality in the arguments of those who suppose that crazy people and drug-dealing gang members will stop murdering people if only we regulate the acquisition of guns at normal retail. Common sense gun regulation? No, that thinking is delusional and cooked up by do-gooders who have not the slightest clue about how guns actually move around in the twilight zone subcultures.

The proposed regulations will only stop those already predisposed to obeying the law from acquiring what any criminal worth his salt can scrounge up in a day or so. When something terrible happens, legislators at every level cook up a law. When your only tool is a hammer, all the problems look like nails. That's how 2257 emerged from the Tracy Lords debacle, even though she had a legitimate California ID issued to her by using an adult's birth certificate and 2257 would not have slowed her down by a second. Same idea here. Background checks won't stop one murder.

If you are really for gun control and not gun redistribution, as most are, then the first group of people you'd want to regulate is the government...but it's the opposite when it comes to gun control. Everyone wants to go after joe citizen while the government has all the guns and bullets and bombs in the world

[Relentless]

Local Gun shows are not the problem. They were the problem 5 years ago
Right now the problem is Armslist.com and similar sites
In 5 years the problem will be 3D printed firearms

Regulations will require much more than background checks, registries and gun tracking.
It will happen, the first time some loon mounts a 9MM on a DIY drone you can get online for a few hundred dollars and shoots up a football stadium or Times Square.