Online Payments Without Chargebacks? - GoFuckYourself.com

ChanceIt · 04-22-2013, 05:05 PM

Is there anyway to accept payments online without the risk of chargebacks? Like a prefunded account that does not allow chargebacks or a service that verifies the card and customer so the customer cannot say it wasn't him?

I am trying to think of a way to get processing fees under 10% with chargebacks. That seems pretty close to impossible right now.

The only thoughts I had were prepaid visa cards and western union payments but those do not work well for a payment processor. Anyone know a way?

sandman! · 04-22-2013, 05:08 PM

there is no way

Fat Panda · 04-22-2013, 05:14 PM

Bitcoins

ls101 · 04-22-2013, 05:15 PM

Cash or Western Union will do!

ChanceIt · 04-22-2013, 05:21 PM

I was thinking of bitcoins because of all the talk lately but they are not really big enough to use for a website easily.

seeandsee · 04-22-2013, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChanceIt

I was thinking of bitcoins because of all the talk lately but they are not really big enough to use for a website easily.

CB is part of the game with BIG services

Juicebox · 04-22-2013, 06:12 PM

After fighting chargebacks for nearly a year (and winning most too) the above posts are right. Cash/Western Union are your best bets. You could start paying for Verified by Visa or Securecode from Mastercard to prevent the 'fraudulent' codes from coming through, but that doesn't stop them from just using a "not as described" code instead and still taking a nice % cut off every single sale.

Pre-paid cards won't really save you either unfortunately. Cash/WU is your best bet. That or figure out why you're getting so many CBs. Without knowing what site/services you're offering or if you're doing any cx service at all for clients, it's such a vague area to even attempt to offer any advice. Should hit up the company A.S.S. that's started up, offers full support in that area, I'll forward the thread over to them.

ChanceIt · 04-22-2013, 06:36 PM

This is for a cam site not based in the US. So I expect them to be high. I was just trying think of a way around it but does not sound like there is a good way yet.

shauna1978 · 04-22-2013, 07:08 PM

If you properly monitor and manage your members, you can keep your chargebacks low. We have done this for many of our clients, and have successfully kept their chargebacks well under 1%. In addition, we provide our clients with regular feedback on improvements that they can make to their site, and service in order to lower their chargebacks. Keeping this ratio low starts with good customer service, which we specialize in. We support our customers of our clients via email, live chat, and telephone. I would love to talk to you about this further. Please feel free to add me to skype shauna.ass.

adultmobile · 04-22-2013, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChanceIt

This is for a cam site not based in the US. So I expect them to be high. I was just trying think of a way around it but does not sound like there is a good way yet.

We are a cam site not based in the US, and chargebacks are less than 1%, we have a merchant account and most is visa/mc simply. But 1) most of the sales volume are from regular customers we got since years so not chargebacking ans 2) it requires to check several times a day (if not realtime) all the sales from new users, especially at times a big idiot starts to do a serie of new accounts with new ip's and cards every 5 minutes for hours, and you have to forget lunch, dinner or sleep... to void realtime all what he does until he's bored to retry again... some of those kids have lots of free time.
Chargebacks from legitimate users who "change idea" are not that many... most it is simply carders really (and affiliate carders too - an amazing 50% of new affiliates we get signing up are fraudsters...).

Exbi · 04-23-2013, 05:29 AM

3d secure + online support 24x7 must help you minimize your chargebacks
yes, I have experience =)

DWB · 04-23-2013, 06:23 AM

Bitcoin.

Franck will confirm, get a boner, and approve of this message.

Datebizguy · 04-27-2013, 11:12 PM

i doubt it

04-22-2013, 05:05 PM	#1
ChanceIt Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 12	Online Payments Without Chargebacks? Is there anyway to accept payments online without the risk of chargebacks? Like a prefunded account that does not allow chargebacks or a service that verifies the card and customer so the customer cannot say it wasn't him? I am trying to think of a way to get processing fees under 10% with chargebacks. That seems pretty close to impossible right now. The only thoughts I had were prepaid visa cards and western union payments but those do not work well for a payment processor. Anyone know a way?

04-22-2013, 05:08 PM	#2
sandman! Icq: 14420613 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: chicago Posts: 15,432	there is no way __________________ Need WebHosting ? Email me for some great deals [email protected]

04-22-2013, 07:08 PM	#9
shauna1978 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: London, ON Posts: 72	If you properly monitor and manage your members, you can keep your chargebacks low. We have done this for many of our clients, and have successfully kept their chargebacks well under 1%. In addition, we provide our clients with regular feedback on improvements that they can make to their site, and service in order to lower their chargebacks. Keeping this ratio low starts with good customer service, which we specialize in. We support our customers of our clients via email, live chat, and telephone. I would love to talk to you about this further. Please feel free to add me to skype shauna.ass. __________________ Skype: shauna.ass Email: [email protected] Website: www.asscorp.com

04-22-2013, 05:14 PM	#3
Fat Panda Porn is Dead. Move along. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,295	Bitcoins

04-22-2013, 05:15 PM	#4
ls101 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 713	Cash or Western Union will do!

04-22-2013, 05:21 PM	#5
ChanceIt Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 12	I was thinking of bitcoins because of all the talk lately but they are not really big enough to use for a website easily.

04-22-2013, 06:12 PM	#7
Juicebox Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 46	After fighting chargebacks for nearly a year (and winning most too) the above posts are right. Cash/Western Union are your best bets. You could start paying for Verified by Visa or Securecode from Mastercard to prevent the 'fraudulent' codes from coming through, but that doesn't stop them from just using a "not as described" code instead and still taking a nice % cut off every single sale. Pre-paid cards won't really save you either unfortunately. Cash/WU is your best bet. That or figure out why you're getting so many CBs. Without knowing what site/services you're offering or if you're doing any cx service at all for clients, it's such a vague area to even attempt to offer any advice. Should hit up the company A.S.S. that's started up, offers full support in that area, I'll forward the thread over to them.

04-22-2013, 06:36 PM	#8
ChanceIt Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 12	This is for a cam site not based in the US. So I expect them to be high. I was just trying think of a way around it but does not sound like there is a good way yet.

04-23-2013, 05:29 AM	#11
Exbi Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 131	3d secure + online support 24x7 must help you minimize your chargebacks yes, I have experience =)

04-23-2013, 06:23 AM	#12
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Bitcoin. Franck will confirm, get a boner, and approve of this message.

04-27-2013, 11:12 PM	#13
Datebizguy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 241	i doubt it