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I agree with No Carrier .. and kenny.

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marty

Why do people make Bush out to be the bad guy?

I believe he is doing the world a gigantic favour and that's fine by me.

Agent White

War isn't over oil, and Bush and Hitler are in two entirely different positions.

Hitler went after the Jews because they owned all the banks in Germany and also most of the property. Germans were being bought out of their own country, thus all the support for Hitler. Germans aren't all murderous blood lusting Rammstein fans. Just some. The only reason I know this is because my grandfather asked about it during WWII, why the Jews were having their assets seized etc.

Bush is trying to keep his military budget high and his army sharp and deployed. The US has a standard and means of living above the rest of the world. They maintain that by keeping everyone else poorer, this is simply economics. They are losing financial power due to the Euro and the asian economies becoming self sufficient. So they've got one ace in the hole, their army. And they'd be fools not to use it.

Joe Sixpack

The sooner you leave Australia the happier I will be.

You can't have been born here, surely?

Freestyleman

i totally agree

Lane

I would worry about the asian countries a lot more than Iraq. Saddam is USA's puppet, thats why he has been kept alive and in power for this long. But if other countries get involved in this war, its not gonna be pretty.

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Rochard

Yes, England and France did everything in their power to please Hilter when Germany took over Czechoslovakia, Austria, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, The Netherlands, Norway, and a few other countries. WWI has just ended and Europe was deathly afraid of war. It wasn't until Poland was over run that France and England got their heads of out their asses.

I can only imagine Germany's reason for wanting to avoid war - perhaps the past 100 years of German history has something to do it. France...... France stands to loose big time if Iraq is over run by the US because of the money they've invested there.

President Bush had nothing to do with the Nazis. He was a child then. You cannot blame the actions of his family on him, just like you CANNOT blame slavery on me.

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ThunderBalls

So because Bush isnt putting jews in camps means he's not dangerous? Within two years of being in power Bush has successfully put the whole world on edge with his obsession for invading Iraq, his axis of evil statement, and his assault on the Constitution. Do you really blame North Korea for trying to build a nuclear arsenal? The world knows Bush is a loose cannon and has the potential to do more harm to this world than Hitler ever dreamed of.

Hitler didnt start invading countries or putting jews in concentration camps until 4 years after being in power, we have yet to see what Bush will do.

Even at this point there are some eerie parallels:

In 1933 the Reichstag was burned to the ground, Hitler blamed the Communists and used this as an opportunity for shredding the Weimar Constitution, just as the attack on the World Trade Center provide the Republican administration with the rationale for abolishing freedoms placed from the United States Constitution.

Hitler detached himself from the League of Nations, Bush is in the process of detaching himself from the UN

In Mein Kampf Hitler wrote exactly what he was going to do when
he got into power. Bush has stated on at least three documented
occasions that he would prefer to be a dictator as that would make his job easier. Bush also stated that "there should be limits to freedom."

In 1934 a special People's Court was established to judge cases of treason which, by definition, could mean almost anything including criticism of the government. Ari Fleischer and John A s h c r o f t have both warned US citizens to be careful in what they say.

Early in August, A s h c r o f t proposed a Camp that would allow him to order indefinite incarceration of U.S citizens, stripping them of their constitutional rights and access to attorneys, merely by declaring them to be enemy combatants. It is quite clear that this action runs counter to constitutional guarantees and is frighteningly similar to the tactics of Hitler.

Hitler created a police force to control the people, it was called the "Gestapo." Bush wants to implement the TIPS program that would be similar to the "Gestapo." He wants a million Americans to sign up to spy on other Americans.

Hitler used the military against the citizens and Bush wants to do it to. The Bush administration has directed lawyers in the Departments of Justice and Defense to review the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 and any other laws that sharply
restrict the military's ability to participate in domestic law enforcement.

The Enabling Act of 1934?labeled "Law for the Relief of the
Distress of Nation and State"?gave Hitler's government the right to make laws and treaties without approval of the Reichstag even
when those laws violated the country's constitution. Bush told
Congress he does not need its approval either to declare war or to ignore treaties the US has been a party to.

Hitler spoke of "the Fatherland" and of what was best for its
security, including the detaining of citizens and others without
charge, access to counsel, and with no appeal from the People's
Court. Bush has signed executive orders that give him absolute power to control "the Homeland" for the sake of security. The US PATRIOT Act and the Homeland Security Act have given Bush the right to rule for an undefined period with broad powers unrestrained by law. To facilitate this, he has increased the
powers of the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc

MaxDent

Lev, Mr. Fiction, go to the gym and pump yourselves.

Just kiddn

DavePlays

Oh my yes....

I'm sure you have no patience and there's no room for anyone in YOUR country who doesn't agree with you on America....

That's why there is an America fool..... it's ok here for even people like you to spout out your trash and you're STILL welcome here.

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DavePlays

trying to give credibility to a comparison to Bush and Hitler has to the the height of uninformed, totally bias, plain ol stupidy.

I sincerely feel sorry for you - I really do.

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ThunderBalls

Exactly which statement do you dispute? Or is this simply a programmed response you give to anyone you disagree with.

ryph

yep

I truly believe this is what it's all about.

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DavePlays

The hole idea of comparing anyone to Hitler sickens me.

The most asinine I've ever read in my life.....

period.

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ThunderBalls

Well I usually don't read 'asinine', but the 'hole' idea of comparing anyone to Hitler...why does it bother you? Cause you voted for him?

12clicks

Yes, bush is hitler. you've figured it out.

Now get ready to speak Americanized english your foreign pansies.

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DavePlays

3. maybe it's the Iraq people who are suffering the most under Saddam - and maybe this will give them a better life ?

More of them have already died at Saddam's hands than will die in this war. Again - Saddam has already caused more deaths of his own people than we'll cause in this war. And he Gasses a lot of them - he has 1,000's of people he'll use as human shields, as he's done before.

And remember - if there's a "second" resolution - it won't be the "second" - it will be the 18th since the end of the Gulf war... did you know that?

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DavePlays

Who I voted for couldn't mean less.

As I said... "anyone" - as in anyone else. me, you, Clinton, Bush, Carter, Marines, school cooks, Saddam, Castro - anyone.

I think it's nuts to compare Hitler to anyone.

I can't imagine anyone with a serious thought in his head who would.

And at least I get to vote - maybe someday they'll be able to do that in Iraq - unless you have something to do with it I guess?

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jas1552

It would be more sensible to compare to hitler those who would keep people under the brutal rule of a dictator.
When this is all over and the Iraqi people are free and no longer tortured, starving, raped, or murdered will you think that Saddam should still be in charge. Will you still think we did the wrong thing?

DavePlays

you are exactly right -

The Iraq people are going to be the winners of this war.

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ThunderBalls

Oh please. So dropping bombs on them are going to give them a better life? I'm willing to bet you werent on here five years ago talking about invading Iraq, only now because Bush and Rush tells you.

Why arent you advocating invading China or North Korea? Plenty of human rights violations going on there and they also have weapons of mass destruction. C'mon dude, quit being Bushes pawn.

FATPad

Would you be saying anything different if we did invade N. Korea?

No...you'd be saying "Why North Korea? Look at Saddam, he's a brutal dictator. Why aren't you getting him?"

Just can't make everyone happy I guess.

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DavePlays

I think he's already a little "happy" in the head now...

These are just Bush haters - they'll say anything without reguard to how totally foolish it makes them sound.

They cannot comprehend what this is really all about - their scope is just too narrow.

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ThunderBalls

Actually I don't think we should be invading any country unless we were being attacked.

But as far as comparing N Korea to Iraq, there is no comparison.
Saddam is no more of a threat to this country than you are. He is completely contained, under constant surveillance by US satellites and AWACS, are you really going to tell me he scares you?
As far as North Korea, they are constantly threatening a nuke war with us, have made it clear they hate America, and have nukes that can reach the US...so you tell me, who's more of a threat? Yet all you people talk about is the threat from Iraq. Then you have Osama, the biggest threat, yet Bush has not even mentioned his name this year. How come nobody on the right seems to care about this??

ThunderBalls

Yep, typical response. When one has nothing to back their argument they resort to name calling...very childish.

DavePlays

All this started because one proud Retired Marine said what he thought - he spoke his mind - I gues he assumed he was still allowed to do that in America.

Those who have condemed and insulted him must not understand pride in your country - faith in your leaders and believe in freeing the people of Iraq from the horrable conditions they are forced to live with under Saddam, and removing him as a threat to the world, is the right thing to do.

In America - unlike a lot of world - you are allowed to express your opinions without fear of prison. - Though in your case, you might get your ass kicked up and down the street a few times.

People can come here - legally and get food stamps, education, jobs and a freedom you only dreamed of -

But we really don't have a lot of patience for whinning punks who haven't got a clue what's going on insulting it's people and especially those of us who have put their lives on the line for your sorry ass.

Nor do we really give a shit about some ass hole on an old prison island thinking he's got any place at all talking about a US Marine, and how he feels about his country.

Let's see you guys stand up - you think you're safe down there surrounded by sea?

SO DID WE ASS HOLE - YOU AINT SAFE EITHER!

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DavePlays

was still more of a response than your silly ass deserved....


You should wish "childish" was all people called someone who compares Hitler to Bush.... It would be the nicest thing anyone's said about you all day.

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FATPad

I would tend to disagree. Sadam is a little more of a threat to this country than me. No one will ship me the components to make a chemical weapon and every time I start building the factories to produce the warheads, the local building inspector stops by and tells me I don't have the proper zoning for that.

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ThunderBalls

Ok, but tell me, who do you really think is the bigger threat.....Iraq, North Korea, or Bin Laden?

DavePlays

Man Limbaugh scares you guys - I haven't listened to the radio in probably a year - so you can blow that on out your ass - so very typical though...

But yes - you have it right - we're going to bomb them to free them.

It's FAR too complicated for you to understand - but that's basicly how it's going to work...

Enjoy the "Lights Over Baghdad Show" when it starts - I sure will!

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ThunderBalls

Your intellect and argumentive skills continually amaze me.

Its not hard to understand why you love Bush so much.....water seeks its own level.

DavePlays

Ha... and that's the BEST you could do ?


I concede to your powers of the language oh wise one.

And less you not continue to be confused....

It's not Bush I'm defending my friend - it's America - and that just happens to include it leaders and it's military.

Amen.

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dinkz

You're trying to discuss whether USA should attack Iraq or not, but all you manage to do is starting a war of words with the one's that has another opinion than yourself....

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FATPad

I think all three deserve to be dealt with.

Personally, I don't think N. Korea has any intention of nuking anyone. They want to get the US to the bargaining table for something so they're running their yappers. When someone's waving a nuke and yelling "We'll kill you all" it's kind of hard to pile up the troops and go blasting in though. This isn't Duke Nukem or Command and Conquer (or whatever that game is called). So something else will be done.

Whether or not Bush tells you everything that's going on, the hunt for Osama does continue. People think that because you have expensive satellites, you should be able to find anyone you want in a heartbeat, but it doesn't work like that. The hunt continues and eventually he will be caught. People have no patience.

Right now, though, Saddam is attempting to develop weapons like N. Korea has. If you ignore him now, you'll have another N. Korea on your hands. Then what? Then people will complain the US didn't stop them when they had the chance.

Everyone who complains has no alternative suggestions, other than "leave them all alone" which is not an acceptable option.

I'm sure if we could snap our fingers and take care of all three at once, we would. But it's not that easy.

And like I said, if we did invade N. Korea and not Iraq people would complain anyways because we aren't killing all the bad guys in one fell swoop.

So for now, each one is being dealt with in the appropriate manner, in my opinion. If someone has a better idea, I'm sure the world would love to hear it. And "leave them alone they didn't do anything" is not acceptable.

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FATPad

p.s. The "You can't kill Saddam because there are other bad guys in the world" comments hold no water.

There are murders who are as of yet uncaught. It doesn't stop us from putting the ones we have in jail.

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They will NEVER EVER invade north korea, look at that country, its worse than the USSR used to be. They mean business when they say they'll fight back, those arent terrorists, u know..

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Lev

That's true. I have spoken with the ex-Russian foreign minister, Andrei Kozyrev, and the ONLY reason Russia is against the war is because she does not want to send an image to the world that anything the US proposes and does, Russia will do the same. He said that Russia is actually for the war and does not want to waste her money or men to fight the war, so why not the US do it for her. It's all politics.

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was an original idea from Hitler. Hate to say that, but uhm,, urgh,, ta ta ta

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Agent White

Bush and Hitler are nothing alike. Hitler came to power in unique circumstances, like the war reparations and treaty of versaille. Anyone with even a passing knowledge of Hitler and his rise to power know that they are completely different.

For those of you that watch CNN and think that the US's interest with Iraq is freeing the Iraqi people, think again. There are still countries in the world embroiled in civil war that are in much worse shape and could use the help. Do you think their interest is in the dangerous Saddam Hussein, leader of a country bombed back to the 18th century not too long ago? Do you think he is "poised to strike" with his non existant army? He would have to invade the US by cargo ship since he has no Navy and there's a "no fly zone" over his own country.

Do you think the US wants to spend billions in tanks, bombs, bullets, wages, fuel etc etc to save Iraq? Hell no. The US doesn't spend its defense budget on compassion. It "invests" it. The US will only use its military for its own political or economic gain, as it should be. Anything else would just be pissing away taxpayer dollars for zero reason. Just like any other country.

Think about it. Kuwait is lead by a dictator. Why didn't the US bring the good people of Kuwait democracy? Or Libya? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Brunei? Yemen? Etc etc etc.

I think Bush just wants to get the US people accustomed to their soldiers going around the world and shooting the fuck out of things. That's cool. But come on, spare me this "we're freeing Iraq" bullshit.

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Vivaldi

Now listen:
1.
Yes, Bush is there not for oil. Though this is not the last reason for him to begin war. It's difficult for the USA to get into the oil market, because the buyers are in Europe. Getting the iraq oil would ease the question of transportation.

2. Bush is dumb ass. His rating is low. During the elections his numeral superiority was minimal. SO? So he needs to raise his rating. What's the best way to do that? WAR. The best and the only way.

3. May be you don't know about that, but the US economy is going down. There is a definite oversaturation of some products. One of the easiest ways to raise the economie - sell a lot of goods with a minimal prime cost, and a rather high market cost. Like water.
After the appeal to buy fresh water and batteries (and some other stuff) your goverment earned enough to keep all up for a month or two. Then they'll start making money from war.
Yes, war = money. Not for people of Iraq.
Bush is not Hitler. He is not smart enough, and his interest in this war is way too different.

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ThunderBalls

Ok

Yes, all the oil buyers are in Europe, lets not forget the mass consumption of oil in Ethiopia, which is just a hop and a skip away from Iraq. Them fuckers consume almost 80% of the worlds oil supply, camels do get thirsty for oil, not often, but when they do watch out, they can be some mean sons of bitches. Ever had a camel kick you in the ass? Not good.

Correct again, he was once rated high with numeral superiority at the Stardust in Vegas but that didnt last more than a few years.

Hmmm....didnt know about that. Are you gaining access to some of the governments secret computers to obtain this info?

I for one have yet to lose my appeal to buy fresh water and batteries, hopefully others feel the same so we can keep the government going for another month or two because it really needs to keep going, at least until they start making money from the war.