Don't forget - From an Ex-Marine - GoFuckYourself.com

DavePlays · 02-19-2003, 11:51 PM

This was written by Ed Evans, MGySgt..., USMC (Ret.)

Reprinted here as written......

DO NOT FORGET

I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why didn't the Jews fight back?"

Now I know why.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why weren't we prepared?"

Now I know why.

Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil people.

On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors.

On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of the rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations have announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying devastating footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.

I will not be manipulated.

I will not pretend to understand.

I will not forget.

I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.

I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel about him, he is still our president."

I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President Bush's motives for not returning immediately to Washington, DC and commented, "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about Washington."

And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor should they be expected -- to show deference."

I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.

I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem communications.

I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like those perfected by the previous administration.

I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the silly "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.

I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who exploit the right of expression to chant anti-American obscenities.

I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines.

I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose reassurance over reality.

I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not 7,000 but 70,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?

There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"

I will force myself to:

-hear the weeping
-feel the helplessness
-imagine the terror
-sense the panic
-smell the burning flesh
- experience the loss
- remember the hatred.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself, "Where did they find the courage?"

Now I know.

We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.

-- Ed Evans, MGySgt..., USMC (Ret.)
Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine.

stocktrader23 · 02-19-2003, 11:55 PM

"On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others."

Irony?

Triple 6 · 02-19-2003, 11:57 PM

irony not!

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23
"On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others."

Irony?

you just don't get it do you?

argue it with the Marines.....

nofx · 02-20-2003, 12:02 AM

I will not believe this bullshit

[Labret] · 02-20-2003, 12:03 AM

That is one horribly brainwashed individual, it must be oddly re-assuring to believe something so blindly.

The American equivalent of Hezbolla, but with an American twist. That being lack of any dedication.

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
That is one horribly brainwashed individual, it must be oddly re-assuring to believe something so blindly.

The American equivalent of Hezbolla, but with an American twist. That being lack of any dedication.

that - or maybe he has some personal experiences that you lack?

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by nofx
I will not believe this bullshit

what did you do in the military?

think you might have liked to have walked a few miles in his boots?

DearAbby · 02-20-2003, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
That is one horribly brainwashed individual, it must be oddly re-assuring to believe something so blindly.

The American equivalent of Hezbolla, but with an American twist. That being lack of any dedication.

What's your view on this whole "war" thing? I havent heard much from you about this situation.

Although I think you are a cock muncher, and dont always agree with your views, they are always interesting and very thought provoking.

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
That is one horribly brainwashed individual, it must be oddly re-assuring to believe something so blindly.

The American equivalent of Hezbolla, but with an American twist. That being lack of any dedication.

I'd hate to see the ass kicking you would get saying that to his face.....

To throw off on a man who is obviously proud of country and proud of his service to it for other other reason than that says a lot about you.

The sad thing is that man put his life on the line for your sorry ungratful ass.

PornoDoggy · 02-20-2003, 12:11 AM

What a crock of horseshit. That's nothing more than a RNC press release, complete with an attack on the Clinton Administration (who have now been out of office for over two years, and still seem to be the primary focus of a number of shallow-minded people).

Many a bum show has been saved by the flag.

George M. Cohen

Mr.Fiction · 02-20-2003, 12:15 AM

I'm starting to think that DavePlays is just another boneprone character.

Not sure who would feel dumber. Those who supported him or those of us who wasted time arguing against him.

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DearAbby

What's your view on this whole "war" thing? I havent heard much from you about this situation.

Although I think you are a cock muncher, and dont always agree with your views, they are always interesting and very thought provoking.

My view on the war is another subject I'll be glad to discuss with you -

This was just the writings of one very proud, and very concerned Marine that I thought deserved sharing.

These men deserve respect and support NO MATTER what your or my views on the war are.

.... "cock muncher" ? - whatever.

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PornoDoggy
What a crock of horseshit. That's nothing more than a RNC press release, complete with an attack on the Clinton Administration (who have now been out of office for over two years, and still seem to be the primary focus of a number of shallow-minded people).

Many a bum show has been saved by the flag.

George M. Cohen

He sees all - he knows all - he speaks for the world.....

DearAbby · 02-20-2003, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavePlays

My view on the war is another subject I'll be glad to discuss with you -

This was just the writings of one very proud, and very concerned Marine that I thought deserved sharing.

These men deserve respect and support NO MATTER what your or my views on the war are.

.... "cock muncher" ? - whatever.

LOL I was'nt refering to you. Your opinion is clear. (thought provoking... no)

...ya cock muncher

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
I'm starting to think that DavePlays is just another boneprone character.

Not sure who would feel dumber. Those who supported him or those of us who wasted time arguing against him.

This is like eating sugar right out of the bowl....

You silly fuckers have no idea how much fun it is to be the only Republican in this den of Bush hating Democratic snakes.

It is SOOO easy to get you all fired up - you'll strike at anything that threatens you.

It's always a treat - it's always good for a laugh - and I'm looking forward to more fun in the coming weeks.

Watch out for those crasy brain-washed American Marines!)

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 12:27 AM

Tell me guys - I really want to know....

What was it about what the retired Marine said that upset your believes so much that you got so defensive?

Joe Sixpack · 02-20-2003, 12:28 AM

That stupid fucking retired marine should watch fewer Hollywood movies and read a book on modern history.

Or maybe I'm just asking too much...

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
That stupid fucking retired marine should watch fewer Hollywood movies and read a book on modern history.

Or maybe I'm just asking too much...

YEAH - that will teach him to express HIS opinion !!!!

MAN - you guys get so defensive to anyone who remotely says anything positive about America or supporting the troops.

really sad....

[Labret] · 02-20-2003, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DearAbby

What's your view on this whole "war" thing? I havent heard much from you about this situation.

Although I think you are a cock muncher, and dont always agree with your views, they are always interesting and very thought provoking.

Hmmm

I am oddly torn. On one hand I could give two shits if Saddam dies. But not for the reasons you may think. First and foremost, its gonna make for some good Fox watching. That and if you look at this whole debacle in its historical perspective, it is fascinating. And not just from a western standpoint, I am morbidly interested in everyones take on it from their particular historical and religious standpoint.

I think what the most interesting thing is going to be what happens afterwards. Watching an American puppet regime smack dab in the middle of the Arab / Muslim world. Its going to be fucking insane. We cant keep Afghanistan together, you know how many people you got going for control in Iraq? Holy, its going to be a fucking bloodbath. And as bad as Israel, this pro-American puppet government is going to inflame fundamentalist Muslims and acts of terrorism are going to increase ten fold (hopefully). I hope to see suicide bombers ala Israel using the same tactics in the United States. It would paralize the cattle. Then with the Iran and Korea crisis. Watching the neo-Christian cattle take control of the Roman Empire has had me nearly spellbound from day one.

Its all good to me. I dont care what happens and I dont care who dies in the process.

And watching the cattle running around with their new found patriotism posting dribble like the original article just makes it all the better. Americans are stupid and easily manipulated. I LOVE living in a country of duct tape buying kneejerkers getting a dose of reality.

Im telling you, its a great time to be alive and half you retarded fuckers dont even know it.

kmanrox · 02-20-2003, 12:55 AM

fyi, dave... US Marines call ourselves 'Former' Marines, not ex-M
arines..

Once a Marine, Always a Marine =)

Joe Sixpack · 02-20-2003, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
fyi, dave... US Marines call ourselves 'Former' Marines, not ex-M
arines..

Once a Marine, Always a Marine =)

Just out of interest, how many of you 'former' marines are over there in Thailand cornholing those ladyboys!

Mr.Fiction · 02-20-2003, 12:57 AM

Former U.S. Marine Seeks Charge of Crimes Against Humanity Against U.S.

Subject: To mark the birth of the International Criminal Court (ICC), a former UNITED STATES Marine announces his intent to seek legal representation in order to charge the U.S with War Crimes for Human Experiments during the Gulf War (details below) and Crimes Against Humanity for its use of Depleted Uranium (DU) with absolute knowledge that its use would cause massive birth deformities and death from radiation exposure. Kenneth Nichols is currently seeking political asylum in Holland and will additionally Serve Legal Notice to the U.S. officials of his human right to Self Determination as a final action in renouncing U.S. citizenship. As a symbolic action to affirm his human rights he will Burn his U.S. Passport. For what appears to be the first time in history, a birth citizen of the UNITED STATES is renouncing his citizenship in favor of being Stateless. This action is also in protest of ongoing U.S. policies, specifically the "American Servicemembers Protection Act (ASPA)," the "Patriot Act," and most notably the blatant U.S. hostility and threats against those who support the formation of the ICC. Currently the UNITED STATES is the only Western Democratic nation opposed to the ICC. It stands with China, Israel, Libya, and Iraq, and North Korea in this position.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Subject: To mark the birth of the International Criminal Court (ICC), a former UNITED STATES Marine announces his intent to seek legal representation in order to charge the U.S with War Crimes for Human Experiments during the Gulf War (details below) and Crimes Against Humanity for its use of Depleted Uranium (DU) with absolute knowledge that its use would cause massive birth deformities and death from radiation exposure. Kenneth Nichols is currently seeking political asylum in Holland and will additionally Serve Legal Notice to the U.S. officials of his human right to Self Determination as a final action in renouncing U.S. citizenship. As a symbolic action to affirm his human rights he will Burn his U.S. Passport. For what appears to be the first time in history, a birth citizen of the UNITED STATES is renouncing his citizenship in favor of being Stateless. This action is also in protest of ongoing U.S. policies, specifically the "American Servicemembers Protection Act (ASPA)," the "Patriot Act," and most notably the blatant U.S. hostility and threats against those who support the formation of the ICC. Currently the UNITED STATES is the only Western Democratic nation opposed to the ICC. It stands with China, Israel, Libya, and Iraq, and North Korea in this position.

DearAbby · 02-20-2003, 12:57 AM

Mr.Fiction · 02-20-2003, 12:58 AM

Published on Monday, September 23, 2002 in the Chicago Tribune
Ex-Marine Wages Loud Fight Against War
by Frank James

WASHINGTON -- Scott Ritter is a self-described patriot on a self-appointed mission.

The 41-year-old former United Nations weapons inspector has said his duty is to be one of the most vocal and visible critics of President Bush's Iraq policy.

He accuses the administration of offering no more than a trumped-up case for a pre-emptive strike against Iraq. He has likened the administration's tactics to those of a police officer who plants "evidence" on a suspect to help win a conviction.

What's more, he says, the White House is cynically using the "rhetoric of fear and ignorance" in the anxious, post-Sept. 11 era to drum up support for expanding the war on terror to Iraq.

[Labret] · 02-20-2003, 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Former U.S. Marine Seeks Charge of Crimes Against Humanity Against U.S.

Is that the human shield fruit organizer that couldnt get into turkey with his caravan because his passport was for "citizen of the world"?

Mr.Fiction · 02-20-2003, 12:59 AM

Why I Oppose the US War on Terror:
an ex-Marine Sergeant Speaks Out
by CHRIS WHITE

The more I juxtapose logical world opinion with the Bush administration's actions in the war on terror, I realize one overwhelming theme: hypocrisy. No one in any of the branches of government runs a physical risk to themselves by entering a war with Iraq, and we can bet that none of their family members are at risk, either. That is, until the next "terrorist" attack. I put "terrorist" in quotes because its definition is subjective, and I myself used to be in the Marine Corps, part of the most powerful "terrorist" organization on the planet: the U.S. government. Of course, we never call our operations "terrorism" because every operation is considered legitimate to us. When found guilty by the World Court for violence in Nicaragua, we ignore the decision. Too bad the nations we hurt can't just ignore what we do to them. When the planet condemns us for killing between 2,500-4,000 people in Panama, we're too busy planning the next invasion of a country that can't fight back.

I oppose this war as a U.S. citizen, a veteran, and a doctoral student in history. While my military experience is what first made me skeptical about our government's motives in the developing world, it wasn't until I went to college and began reading hundreds of books and thousands of articles that I was able to truly grasp the profundity of our leadership's contempt for the freedoms they claim to protect. As a rule, we have worked hard to prevent the rise of democracy in the developing world, all the while claiming legitimacy as "the world's police force" because of our so-called "democratic" values. The hypocrisy is astounding. When one investigates our complicity in death squads, torture, massacres, rape, and mass destruction, one realizes that freedom often threatens the current power structure in this country.

Mr.Fiction · 02-20-2003, 01:00 AM

By a 3 to 1 ratio, ex-marines are against the war!

Support your troops!

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
fyi, dave... US Marines call ourselves 'Former' Marines, not ex-M
arines..

Once a Marine, Always a Marine =)

He called himself "retired" which I meant to do...

with all respect.

sinfulone · 02-20-2003, 01:04 AM

Well said ...

You folks that think this is bullshit should go stand in front of a mirror and have a good look at what you are.

It's folks like you that get honest people killed because you have no spine. Your the weak spot, the helpless prey that the enemy can manipulate, you weaken the herd and innocent people fall victim because you have no balls, no brains and no compassion for anything that extends past your pointed little nose.

You guys are like those that walk around talking shit about how fucked up cops are until someone punches you in the eye and then it's a different story, the cops can't get there fast enough for you.

Daveplays - they aren't sensitive they
are cowards. The truth hurts.... nothing but a bunch of kids lost without their mommy!

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Published on Monday, September 23, 2002 in the Chicago Tribune
Ex-Marine Wages Loud Fight Against War
by Frank James

WASHINGTON -- Scott Ritter is a self-described patriot on a self-appointed mission.

I've seen that piss excuse for an American on TV 30 times.

You ARE aware he was arrested for picking up a "girl" he'd talked to on the internet only to find it was an undercover cop aren't you?

He was on Larry King talking about it - So it's no rumor...

THERE'S your poster boy.

[Labret] · 02-20-2003, 01:05 AM

I overheard someone today say "I wish I could drive my SUV to go buy some weed". You might as well put the gun in Osama's hand.

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
By a 3 to 1 ratio, ex-marines are against the war!

Support your troops!

What a fucking joke and how little you know about Marines.

You just have a lot to learn about America period pal, cause that was sure stupid assumption.

[Labret] · 02-20-2003, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sinfulone
Well said ...

You folks that think this is bullshit should go stand in front of a mirror and have a good look at what you are.

It's folks like you that get honest people killed because you have no spine. Your the weak spot, the helpless prey that the enemy can manipulate, you weaken the herd and innocent people fall victim because you have no balls, no brains and no compassion for anything that extends past your pointed little nose.

You guys are like those that walk around talking shit about how fucked up cops are until someone punches you in the eye and then it's a different story, the cops can't get there fast enough for you.

Daveplays - they aren't sensitive they
are cowards. The truth hurts.... nothing but a bunch of kids lost without their mommy!

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

HAAAA - You know you've slammed them good when all they can come up with is cow pictures....

Witty - very witty

[Labret] · 02-20-2003, 01:15 AM

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Originally posted by DavePlays

HAAAA - You know you've slammed them good when all they can come up with is cow pictures....

Witty - very witty

You must have come from Netp0nd or YNOT.

And slammed? Where in any of that was any original thought? Its the same shit we been listening to for the last year. Congrats on soaking in the propaganda and spitting it back out so eloquently. You are a master of message board pissing.

Joe Sixpack · 02-20-2003, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavePlays

HAAAA - You know you've slammed them good when all they can come up with is cow pictures....

Witty - very witty

You sure that didn't go over your head, Dave...

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

You must have come from Netp0nd or YNOT.

Nope - never been to either - some false assumption you'd like to make?

Mr.Fiction · 02-20-2003, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

You must have come from Netp0nd or YNOT.

That's mean.

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

You sure that didn't go over your head, Dave...

No - I got it man... but was that the best you could do?

Very weak at best. Rather childish really. But funny I guess.

KC · 02-20-2003, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

I thought you were going to leave and stop posting here? What happened to that?

rooster · 02-20-2003, 01:21 AM

Labret, you call people cattle, yet you support facism. Isn't that kind of a hypocrisy.

[Labret] · 02-20-2003, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KC

I thought you were going to leave and stop posting here? What happened to that?

I lied.

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

You must have come from Netp0nd or YNOT.

And slammed? Where in any of that was any original thought? Its the same shit we been listening to for the last year. Congrats on soaking in the propaganda and spitting it back out so eloquently. You are a master of message board pissing.

you silly fucker - it wasn't even me you were quoting or what I said with your witty cow picture rubuttal....

Mr.Fiction · 02-20-2003, 01:24 AM

Doesn't anyone care about ex-Marines anymore?

Three ex-Marines spoke out against the war in this very thread.

Are you people disrepecting our military men and women by supporting this war that they are against?

I am disgusted with you anti-american pro-war people.

Three of our finest have spoken!

[Labret] · 02-20-2003, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rooster
Labret, you call people cattle, yet you support facism. Isn't that kind of a hypocrisy.

The cattle are necessary, mandatory. Could you imagine an America full of educated informed people? The left have their cattle, the right have their cattle. Although the left tends to attract the more educated members of society, but thats a whole nother story. Bush needs Joe American like these two monkies we got mashing at their keyboards right now. Someone has to gobble down the fear and bullshit rhetoric. Bush won because his team manipulated the cattle better. Nothing more, nothing less.

DavePlays would switch regimes so easy. He needs to be told what to believe. So long as it makes even a little sense, and is dumbed down enough for him to understand it... he would be all over it.

As for my facism, its just an easier way to control the sheeple. Its to much work to control them in a "democracy" *nudge nudge*.

DavePlays · 02-20-2003, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Doesn't anyone care about ex-Marines anymore?

Three ex-Marines spoke out against the war in this very thread.

Are you people disrepecting our military men and women by supporting this war that they are against?

I am disgusted with you anti-american pro-war people.

Three of our finest have spoken!

Yeah Right...

You want to go by the majority off ALL the Marines do you?

Silly fucker

Mr.Fiction · 02-20-2003, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavePlays

Yeah Right...

You want to go by the majority off ALL the Marines do you?

Silly fucker

You're one of those American-haters, eh? Dicounting what our veterans say, not caring about these ex-Marines who defended your freedom to hate the country they love.

God bless America! I hope you come around.

[Labret] · 02-20-2003, 01:32 AM

Dont even get me started on Marines. "First to die" is all Marine means. Means you are dumb as a stump and couldnt get into the Airforce with your GED. Marines, poor brainwashed human cannon fodder. God bless you mindless bastards.

PornoDoggy · 02-20-2003, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavePlays

What a fucking joke and how little you know about Marines.

You just have a lot to learn about America period pal, cause that was sure stupid assumption.

Aside from your boyfriend, how many Marines do you know?

Oh, I forgot. Don't ask, don't tell.

02-19-2003, 11:51 PM	#1
DavePlays Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: West (by God) Virginia Posts: 1,088	Don't forget - From an Ex-Marine This was written by Ed Evans, MGySgt..., USMC (Ret.) Reprinted here as written...... DO NOT FORGET I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why didn't the Jews fight back?" Now I know why. I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why weren't we prepared?" Now I know why. Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil people. On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors. On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of the rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations have announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying devastating footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers. I will not be manipulated. I will not pretend to understand. I will not forget. I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting. I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel about him, he is still our president." I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President Bush's motives for not returning immediately to Washington, DC and commented, "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about Washington." And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor should they be expected -- to show deference." I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America. I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem communications. I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like those perfected by the previous administration. I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the silly "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport. I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who exploit the right of expression to chant anti-American obscenities. I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines. I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose reassurance over reality. I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not 7,000 but 70,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it? There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!" I will force myself to: -hear the weeping -feel the helplessness -imagine the terror -sense the panic -smell the burning flesh - experience the loss - remember the hatred. I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself, "Where did they find the courage?" Now I know. We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living. -- Ed Evans, MGySgt..., USMC (Ret.) Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine. __________________ THE BEST CONVERTING TGP If I were only going to submit to one TGP, it would be BOOK-MARK.NET.

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nofx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Virgin Mary's womb Posts: 16,826	I will not believe this bullshit __________________ Often times I wonder why There's love and hate, theres live or die. When sickness comes I must decide: When feelings go, theres suicide.

02-20-2003, 12:27 AM	#17
DavePlays Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: West (by God) Virginia Posts: 1,088	Tell me guys - I really want to know.... What was it about what the retired Marine said that upset your believes so much that you got so defensive? __________________ THE BEST CONVERTING TGP If I were only going to submit to one TGP, it would be BOOK-MARK.NET.

02-20-2003, 12:03 AM	#6
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	That is one horribly brainwashed individual, it must be oddly re-assuring to believe something so blindly. The American equivalent of Hezbolla, but with an American twist. That being lack of any dedication.

02-20-2003, 12:11 AM	#11
PornoDoggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,053	What a crock of horseshit. That's nothing more than a RNC press release, complete with an attack on the Clinton Administration (who have now been out of office for over two years, and still seem to be the primary focus of a number of shallow-minded people). Many a bum show has been saved by the flag. George M. Cohen

02-20-2003, 12:15 AM	#12
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	I'm starting to think that DavePlays is just another boneprone character. Not sure who would feel dumber. Those who supported him or those of us who wasted time arguing against him.

02-20-2003, 12:28 AM	#18
Joe Sixpack So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,793	That stupid fucking retired marine should watch fewer Hollywood movies and read a book on modern history. Or maybe I'm just asking too much...

02-20-2003, 12:55 AM	#21
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	fyi, dave... US Marines call ourselves 'Former' Marines, not ex-M arines.. Once a Marine, Always a Marine =) __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

02-20-2003, 12:57 AM	#23
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Former U.S. Marine Seeks Charge of Crimes Against Humanity Against U.S. Subject: To mark the birth of the International Criminal Court (ICC), a former UNITED STATES Marine announces his intent to seek legal representation in order to charge the U.S with War Crimes for Human Experiments during the Gulf War (details below) and Crimes Against Humanity for its use of Depleted Uranium (DU) with absolute knowledge that its use would cause massive birth deformities and death from radiation exposure. Kenneth Nichols is currently seeking political asylum in Holland and will additionally Serve Legal Notice to the U.S. officials of his human right to Self Determination as a final action in renouncing U.S. citizenship. As a symbolic action to affirm his human rights he will Burn his U.S. Passport. For what appears to be the first time in history, a birth citizen of the UNITED STATES is renouncing his citizenship in favor of being Stateless. This action is also in protest of ongoing U.S. policies, specifically the "American Servicemembers Protection Act (ASPA)," the "Patriot Act," and most notably the blatant U.S. hostility and threats against those who support the formation of the ICC. Currently the UNITED STATES is the only Western Democratic nation opposed to the ICC. It stands with China, Israel, Libya, and Iraq, and North Korea in this position. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Subject: To mark the birth of the International Criminal Court (ICC), a former UNITED STATES Marine announces his intent to seek legal representation in order to charge the U.S with War Crimes for Human Experiments during the Gulf War (details below) and Crimes Against Humanity for its use of Depleted Uranium (DU) with absolute knowledge that its use would cause massive birth deformities and death from radiation exposure. Kenneth Nichols is currently seeking political asylum in Holland and will additionally Serve Legal Notice to the U.S. officials of his human right to Self Determination as a final action in renouncing U.S. citizenship. As a symbolic action to affirm his human rights he will Burn his U.S. Passport. For what appears to be the first time in history, a birth citizen of the UNITED STATES is renouncing his citizenship in favor of being Stateless. This action is also in protest of ongoing U.S. policies, specifically the "American Servicemembers Protection Act (ASPA)," the "Patriot Act," and most notably the blatant U.S. hostility and threats against those who support the formation of the ICC. Currently the UNITED STATES is the only Western Democratic nation opposed to the ICC. It stands with China, Israel, Libya, and Iraq, and North Korea in this position.

02-20-2003, 12:57 AM	#24
DearAbby Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NoCal Posts: 979	:D

02-20-2003, 12:58 AM	#25
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Published on Monday, September 23, 2002 in the Chicago Tribune Ex-Marine Wages Loud Fight Against War by Frank James WASHINGTON -- Scott Ritter is a self-described patriot on a self-appointed mission. The 41-year-old former United Nations weapons inspector has said his duty is to be one of the most vocal and visible critics of President Bush's Iraq policy. He accuses the administration of offering no more than a trumped-up case for a pre-emptive strike against Iraq. He has likened the administration's tactics to those of a police officer who plants "evidence" on a suspect to help win a conviction. What's more, he says, the White House is cynically using the "rhetoric of fear and ignorance" in the anxious, post-Sept. 11 era to drum up support for expanding the war on terror to Iraq.

02-20-2003, 12:59 AM	#27
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Why I Oppose the US War on Terror: an ex-Marine Sergeant Speaks Out by CHRIS WHITE The more I juxtapose logical world opinion with the Bush administration's actions in the war on terror, I realize one overwhelming theme: hypocrisy. No one in any of the branches of government runs a physical risk to themselves by entering a war with Iraq, and we can bet that none of their family members are at risk, either. That is, until the next "terrorist" attack. I put "terrorist" in quotes because its definition is subjective, and I myself used to be in the Marine Corps, part of the most powerful "terrorist" organization on the planet: the U.S. government. Of course, we never call our operations "terrorism" because every operation is considered legitimate to us. When found guilty by the World Court for violence in Nicaragua, we ignore the decision. Too bad the nations we hurt can't just ignore what we do to them. When the planet condemns us for killing between 2,500-4,000 people in Panama, we're too busy planning the next invasion of a country that can't fight back. I oppose this war as a U.S. citizen, a veteran, and a doctoral student in history. While my military experience is what first made me skeptical about our government's motives in the developing world, it wasn't until I went to college and began reading hundreds of books and thousands of articles that I was able to truly grasp the profundity of our leadership's contempt for the freedoms they claim to protect. As a rule, we have worked hard to prevent the rise of democracy in the developing world, all the while claiming legitimacy as "the world's police force" because of our so-called "democratic" values. The hypocrisy is astounding. When one investigates our complicity in death squads, torture, massacres, rape, and mass destruction, one realizes that freedom often threatens the current power structure in this country.

02-20-2003, 01:00 AM	#28
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	By a 3 to 1 ratio, ex-marines are against the war! Support your troops!

02-20-2003, 01:04 AM	#30
sinfulone So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 46	Well said ... You folks that think this is bullshit should go stand in front of a mirror and have a good look at what you are. It's folks like you that get honest people killed because you have no spine. Your the weak spot, the helpless prey that the enemy can manipulate, you weaken the herd and innocent people fall victim because you have no balls, no brains and no compassion for anything that extends past your pointed little nose. You guys are like those that walk around talking shit about how fucked up cops are until someone punches you in the eye and then it's a different story, the cops can't get there fast enough for you. Daveplays - they aren't sensitive they are cowards. The truth hurts.... nothing but a bunch of kids lost without their mommy!

02-20-2003, 01:05 AM	#32
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	I overheard someone today say "I wish I could drive my SUV to go buy some weed". You might as well put the gun in Osama's hand.

02-20-2003, 01:21 AM	#42
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	Labret, you call people cattle, yet you support facism. Isn't that kind of a hypocrisy.

02-20-2003, 01:24 AM	#45
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Doesn't anyone care about ex-Marines anymore? Three ex-Marines spoke out against the war in this very thread. Are you people disrepecting our military men and women by supporting this war that they are against? I am disgusted with you anti-american pro-war people. Three of our finest have spoken!

02-20-2003, 01:32 AM	#49
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Dont even get me started on Marines. "First to die" is all Marine means. Means you are dumb as a stump and couldnt get into the Airforce with your GED. Marines, poor brainwashed human cannon fodder. God bless you mindless bastards. Last edited by [Labret]; 02-20-2003 at 01:34 AM..