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Yo Adrian · 02-18-2003, 04:28 PM

Where did popup killers start, Jimmy Surf? History Kill? Probably long before those.

Now popup killers are being marketed on the non-adult side and even by ISPs like Earthlink and MSN.

If, in a year or two, the majority of all surfers are running these proggies alot of us are in to lose a LOT of revenue.

So where are the scripts to override these guys? And if we start using them will consoles then piss off surfers even more to where they'll refuse to ackowledge them at all?

gothweb · 02-18-2003, 04:30 PM

Learn to sell your shit without pissing people off. If they are getting popup blocking software, you shouldn't be overriding that.

Mr.Fiction · 02-18-2003, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
Learn to sell your shit without pissing people off. If they are getting popup blocking software, you shouldn't be overriding that.

You're right! And network TV should find a way to make money without commercials too. After all, commercial in the middle of a program annoy me.

Yo Adrian · 02-18-2003, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

You're right! And network TV should find a way to make money without commercials too. After all, commercial in the middle of a program annoy me.

LOL - exactly.

gothweb, I'm not talking about my own sales, I'm talking about sales across the industry. For example paysites, they generate a good portion of their revenue from consoles - I'm sure they're not just going to let that revenue go without a fight.

....there has to be some kind of a plan in the works...

Libertine · 02-18-2003, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

You're right! And network TV should find a way to make money without commercials too. After all, commercial in the middle of a program annoy me.

What would you do if your tv automatically changed channels to the Shopping Channel whenever you watched certain tv shows?

gothweb · 02-18-2003, 04:46 PM

People are blocking pop-ups because they are fantastically annoying. If you force them on people who have *paid* to opt out of that kind of crap, it won't make you any money.

If you can't adapt, get out. If your business cannot work, without forcing pop-ups on people, then your product must really suck. Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is.

TV has commercials. However, you aren't paying for most TV in other ways... Like a monthly fee for that channel. A complete cable package costs less per month than most adult websites. Network telivision is funded by sponsors, and people know that. Paysites are funded by signups.

I run paysites. I have a small exit popup on my sites. It accounts for a tiny percentage of my revenue... like, $25 a week... and a little of the flow of traffic between my sites. If customers want to turn that popup off, I say more power to them.

What it comes down to, for me, is not to piss off the people who pay my bills. I can see allowing for some annoyance to boost sales, that makes a little sense. However, if people are really so rabid about killing popups that they are choosing browsers, ISPs, etc. based on getting a blocker, then clearly it isn't good business to use them.

StacyCat · 02-18-2003, 05:10 PM

And, if webmasters would use popups responsibly, surfers wouldnt have to resort to popup blockers.

I will admit, I have a popup blocker. It is a piece of shit, and doesnt work if I leave it on, so I only bring it up when i know I am going to be surfing mainstream porn, or free sites.

One popup is okay. TWo might even be acceptable. But popup after popup after popup after popup isnt good business, it just pisses off your surfers! How much money are you really making off of each subsequent popup? Most people just go into close mode, dont even look at them.

iwantchixx · 02-18-2003, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

You're right! And network TV should find a way to make money without commercials too. After all, commercial in the middle of a program annoy me.

there is a big difference between commercials/ads and popups.

How woudl you feel if you were watching channel 8 and all of a sudden channel 37 poped up on your screen then channel 37 poped up channel 69 etc etc and you couldnt get rid of it. And as soon as you manage to get rid of it your "remote" crashes and you had to reboot your tv?

psyko514 · 02-18-2003, 07:23 PM

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If you force them on people who have *paid* to opt out of that kind of crap, it won't make you any money.

A very valid point which people seemed to have ignored.
If they're paying for/using a pop-up blocker, they'll just close your pop-ups if you get around the pop-blocker. You're just wasting bandwith and pissing people off.

Snake Doctor · 02-18-2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
People are blocking pop-ups because they are fantastically annoying. If you force them on people who have *paid* to opt out of that kind of crap, it won't make you any money.

If you can't adapt, get out. If your business cannot work, without forcing pop-ups on people, then your product must really suck. Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is.

There you have it, business lessons from a guy who's still on virtual hosting

Gimme a fuckin break dude. Pop ups make money and that's what we're here to do.

Try looking at pop ups from a paysite owners point of view. It doesn't have anything to do with the product "sucking" it has to do with tons of fucking wet behind the ears newbies who don't know how to filter their traffic sending you clicks.

Ask any program owner in here and I bet ya dollars to donuts they've had people sending traffic to their "teen" site from a page with "ebony" pictures on it or something similar. So the pop ups offer more options to the surfer, letting him choose what he really wants to see, and making everyone involved more $$.

If you quit thinking like a surfer and start thinking like a webmaster you'll make more than $25 a month off of your exit.

eroswebmaster · 02-18-2003, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by Yo Adrian
Jimmy Surf

Anybody ever see a dime from these mofo's?

I sent a bunch of su's back when they first started not one of them converted...no one I know ever saw a dime.

gothweb · 02-18-2003, 08:04 PM

Maybe my language sounded like a personal attack. It wasn't. It was a general attack, on people so dumb they think the way to adapt to popup blockers is to work on getting popups around them.

digifan · 02-18-2003, 08:12 PM

Surfers do not like popups for sure and they learn fast to surf porn at least with java and hahahahahahahahahaha disabled if they are pissed off.. and most browsers like Opera or iCab give them the option to change their settings.

LuSiD · 02-18-2003, 08:29 PM

There are popup blockers of many types out there right now. And guess why the popup killer companies are making so much money... because the entire internet is WAY too saturated with popups, and LOTS of people hate them. Sure, popups and consoles make a lot of money, but if a surfer chooses to pay a company to help them get rid of them, then they are obviously not the kind of surfer to fall for exit consoles in the first place. The people that actually look at them are the ones that they are advertising towards... those that hate them are just being annoyed. So, it's another internet evolution taking place, and the internet developer needs to stop dwelling on old "technology" (it's called j a v a s c r i p t) to make money, and find other ways. It's how business works.

Now, to be more technical in regards to popup killers, there isn't any way to block them from killing your popups. These programs simply hook into the message handler of internet explorer, netscape, or whatever other browser they may support, and when a new window is popped up, they either automatically cancel the window or check it against a list of URLs that are considered popups, and allow it to open if it's "safe." It's for this reason that they can't be blocked. Internet Explorer, for example, sends a message to the Windows operating system everytime it needs to open a window. This happens NO MATTER WHAT. Unless you can find a way to open a new window in Internet Explorer without it sending this message (which is impossible because it's built into the platform API), then you are going to just have to deal with the issue.

Enough with the tech specs. I personally think that popups are a great way to increase revenue for any website. They have worked great for a long time, and will continue to work no matter what blocking software comes along. Have love for your surfers, and respect their choices.

Danny_C · 02-18-2003, 08:32 PM

I agree that we're cutting our own throats by advertising pop-up blockers. It's short-sighted.

But unfortunately, I don't believe there's any way to beat it. Come up with a neat hahahahahahahahahaha that tricks the pop-up blockers, and it's just a matter of days before a new pop-up blocker version is released that has adapted to block your tricky pop-up.

So I agree, we're going to have to adapt.

Tylo · 02-18-2003, 09:02 PM

Popups are a great way for us to increase revenue for our websites but I see it slowly fading away surfers are getting pissed and I keep seeing people saying fuck surfers but if that's the case then your pissing away your bread and butter IMHO.. and if you can't make a signup without a popup then you really shouldn't be in this business... I think just about every one of us has used popups but if that's what you relay on then your going to be screwed or have to adapt..

KRL · 02-18-2003, 09:10 PM

Remember in the movie Wall Street when Gordon Gecko (Michael Douglas) says the line "Greed is Good".

Popups are Good.

Since typically 299 surfers get a free ride off the one guy that pays, and they essentially get porn for free, I don't care if they like popups or not.

Tylo · 02-18-2003, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Remember in the movie Wall Street when Gordon Gecko (Michael Douglas) says the line "Greed is Good".

Popups are Good.

Since typically 299 surfers get a free ride off the one guy that pays, and they essentially get porn for free, I don't care if they like popups or not.

Hey.. Where you at in Florida?? Im moving to Miami in little under a week.. Fuck this cold Ohio shit with a foot of snow..

Gman.357 · 02-18-2003, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

You're right! And network TV should find a way to make money without commercials too. After all, commercial in the middle of a program annoy me.

I'm sorry man, but those two things are nowhere near alike. Maybe if you're talking about encountering one single popup, but not the hydra-spawning hells that are so commonplace now.

NoCarrier · 02-18-2003, 10:01 PM

Don't give them popups.

Don't annoy them with ads.

One use one text link to a sponsor that I have selected from my list.

Give them movies and pictures for free.

Don't let them pay.

Offer them free kleenex boxes.

Oooh. The poor surfer. I feel so sorry for him. Let's give him a hug and tell them that it will always be free and that he does not need to join those evil paysites with popups.

What I find funny about this shit, is that TGP galleries should not have a single popup but people are whining when they get 2-3 popups with paysites if they don't join.

You will say that it's for traffic.

I understand, people will come back for the FREE enjoyable tgp movies and pictures.

But something is fucking wrong with that kind of mentality. I know, it's not tomorrow we will see changes. But don't bullshit me with that no popup speech. I will use them, they give me more $$$ every month. I don't give a damn if you don't approve.

I will squeeze every fucking possible cent from those leechers, I am not in this business to entertain them. I want them to join the fucking paysites and I don't give a fucking damn if they think my popups are annoying. There is a price to pay if you want to use the bandwith I pay every month.

You guys are talking about TV and ads. Well those popups are advertising. I have nothing else to say

02-18-2003, 04:28 PM	#1
Yo Adrian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 6,326	Overriding Console Blockers Where did popup killers start, Jimmy Surf? History Kill? Probably long before those. Now popup killers are being marketed on the non-adult side and even by ISPs like Earthlink and MSN. If, in a year or two, the majority of all surfers are running these proggies alot of us are in to lose a LOT of revenue. So where are the scripts to override these guys? And if we start using them will consoles then piss off surfers even more to where they'll refuse to ackowledge them at all? __________________ Adult SEO Partners - Full service Adult SEO Agency serving some of the biggest names in the industry.

02-18-2003, 04:30 PM	#2
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Learn to sell your shit without pissing people off. If they are getting popup blocking software, you shouldn't be overriding that. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

02-18-2003, 04:46 PM	#6
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	People are blocking pop-ups because they are fantastically annoying. If you force them on people who have paid to opt out of that kind of crap, it won't make you any money. If you can't adapt, get out. If your business cannot work, without forcing pop-ups on people, then your product must really suck. Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is. TV has commercials. However, you aren't paying for most TV in other ways... Like a monthly fee for that channel. A complete cable package costs less per month than most adult websites. Network telivision is funded by sponsors, and people know that. Paysites are funded by signups. I run paysites. I have a small exit popup on my sites. It accounts for a tiny percentage of my revenue... like, $25 a week... and a little of the flow of traffic between my sites. If customers want to turn that popup off, I say more power to them. What it comes down to, for me, is not to piss off the people who pay my bills. I can see allowing for some annoyance to boost sales, that makes a little sense. However, if people are really so rabid about killing popups that they are choosing browsers, ISPs, etc. based on getting a blocker, then clearly it isn't good business to use them. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

02-18-2003, 08:04 PM	#12
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Maybe my language sounded like a personal attack. It wasn't. It was a general attack, on people so dumb they think the way to adapt to popup blockers is to work on getting popups around them. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

02-18-2003, 08:12 PM	#13
digifan The Profiler Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ICQ 76281726 and I'm female Posts: 14,618	Surfers do not like popups for sure and they learn fast to surf porn at least with java and hahahahahahahahahaha disabled if they are pissed off.. and most browsers like Opera or iCab give them the option to change their settings. __________________ [email protected] Webair Rocks

02-18-2003, 05:10 PM	#7
StacyCat Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,167	And, if webmasters would use popups responsibly, surfers wouldnt have to resort to popup blockers. I will admit, I have a popup blocker. It is a piece of shit, and doesnt work if I leave it on, so I only bring it up when i know I am going to be surfing mainstream porn, or free sites. One popup is okay. TWo might even be acceptable. But popup after popup after popup after popup isnt good business, it just pisses off your surfers! How much money are you really making off of each subsequent popup? Most people just go into close mode, dont even look at them.

02-18-2003, 08:29 PM	#14
LuSiD Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 434	There are popup blockers of many types out there right now. And guess why the popup killer companies are making so much money... because the entire internet is WAY too saturated with popups, and LOTS of people hate them. Sure, popups and consoles make a lot of money, but if a surfer chooses to pay a company to help them get rid of them, then they are obviously not the kind of surfer to fall for exit consoles in the first place. The people that actually look at them are the ones that they are advertising towards... those that hate them are just being annoyed. So, it's another internet evolution taking place, and the internet developer needs to stop dwelling on old "technology" (it's called j a v a s c r i p t) to make money, and find other ways. It's how business works. Now, to be more technical in regards to popup killers, there isn't any way to block them from killing your popups. These programs simply hook into the message handler of internet explorer, netscape, or whatever other browser they may support, and when a new window is popped up, they either automatically cancel the window or check it against a list of URLs that are considered popups, and allow it to open if it's "safe." It's for this reason that they can't be blocked. Internet Explorer, for example, sends a message to the Windows operating system everytime it needs to open a window. This happens NO MATTER WHAT. Unless you can find a way to open a new window in Internet Explorer without it sending this message (which is impossible because it's built into the platform API), then you are going to just have to deal with the issue. Enough with the tech specs. I personally think that popups are a great way to increase revenue for any website. They have worked great for a long time, and will continue to work no matter what blocking software comes along. Have love for your surfers, and respect their choices. __________________ I bought a dog the other day... I named him Stay. It's fun to call him... "Come here, Stay! Come here, Stay!" He went insane. Now he just ignores me and keeps typing.

02-18-2003, 08:32 PM	#15
Danny_C Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,160	I agree that we're cutting our own throats by advertising pop-up blockers. It's short-sighted. But unfortunately, I don't believe there's any way to beat it. Come up with a neat hahahahahahahahahaha that tricks the pop-up blockers, and it's just a matter of days before a new pop-up blocker version is released that has adapted to block your tricky pop-up. So I agree, we're going to have to adapt.

02-18-2003, 09:02 PM	#16
Tylo Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: South FL. Posts: 2,108	Popups are a great way for us to increase revenue for our websites but I see it slowly fading away surfers are getting pissed and I keep seeing people saying fuck surfers but if that's the case then your pissing away your bread and butter IMHO.. and if you can't make a signup without a popup then you really shouldn't be in this business... I think just about every one of us has used popups but if that's what you relay on then your going to be screwed or have to adapt.. __________________ -ICQ# 119419008

02-18-2003, 09:10 PM	#17
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Remember in the movie Wall Street when Gordon Gecko (Michael Douglas) says the line "Greed is Good". Popups are Good. Since typically 299 surfers get a free ride off the one guy that pays, and they essentially get porn for free, I don't care if they like popups or not. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

02-18-2003, 10:01 PM	#20
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	Don't give them popups. Don't annoy them with ads. One use one text link to a sponsor that I have selected from my list. Give them movies and pictures for free. Don't let them pay. Offer them free kleenex boxes. Oooh. The poor surfer. I feel so sorry for him. Let's give him a hug and tell them that it will always be free and that he does not need to join those evil paysites with popups. What I find funny about this shit, is that TGP galleries should not have a single popup but people are whining when they get 2-3 popups with paysites if they don't join. You will say that it's for traffic. I understand, people will come back for the FREE enjoyable tgp movies and pictures. But something is fucking wrong with that kind of mentality. I know, it's not tomorrow we will see changes. But don't bullshit me with that no popup speech. I will use them, they give me more $$$ every month. I don't give a damn if you don't approve. I will squeeze every fucking possible cent from those leechers, I am not in this business to entertain them. I want them to join the fucking paysites and I don't give a fucking damn if they think my popups are annoying. There is a price to pay if you want to use the bandwith I pay every month. You guys are talking about TV and ads. Well those popups are advertising. I have nothing else to say __________________ Last edited by NoCarrier; 02-18-2003 at 10:10 PM..