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Old 11-12-2012, 04:43 PM   #101
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- my taxes havent changed, which of your taxes went up in the last 2-3 years?

- the euro has fluctuated in the past and it was way worse before the crisis (remember 1 Euro = $1.65?). and individual currencies before the Euro have fluctuated against the USD as well - let's not forget that.


sorry - but usually it's just trash talking the EU and the Euro with no substantial reason. i am still waiting for someone who can prove me that the EU made his life worse
Yeah... all this talk about problems in Europe... there must be a hidden agenda or something because the Euro is still very strong. I`m still getting fucked by the euro/dollar exchange... I wish it was true and Europe would collapse a little bit so i would make 25 euro on a 19.95 dollar subscription instead of 16 euro on a 19.95 subscription:-)
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:56 PM   #102
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it will never work. This is what caused the civil war
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:59 PM   #103
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Are you being serious right now? Are you trying to tell us that the Republican party is responsive to anything but the aspirations of rich white people, and lunatic fringe evangelicals? Why in the fuck would black people vote for a political party that has an entire wing - the teabaggers - complicit in marrying the party to overtly paranoid and racist stances when it comes to such things as the birther bullshit? Why would they vote for the party that was caught red-handed using voter suppression tactics in African-American urban communities? Are you really trying to tell us that it is in their best interest to vote Republican? That it is in ANYONE'S best interest to vote Republican - women, gays, latinos, the middle and working class, etc. etc. Republican policy positions and rhetoric have succeeded in driving every minority and plurality in the electorate out of the GOP camp, that is what happened in this election in case you didn't follow it.
So are you trying to say that rich white people and lunatic fringe evangelicals make up the entire 48% of the US population that voted for them? You mean to say there are no rich white people or lunatic fringe evangelicals firmly entrenched in the Democrat camp? No racist Democrats? No voter suppression tactics used by Democrats? Is it really is just a Republicans = bad, Democrats = good view of the world for you? Would a one party state be more to your liking?

Seriously. Nothing is that cut-and-dry and you can't project your disdain for the Republicans onto everyone in the entire country. Not every Republican supporter is a rich, white, evangelical teabagger who hates blacks, women, hispanics, gays and kittens.

And sure people can go ahead and vote for whoever the hell they please. The problem is that are too many low information voters out there who have no idea what is in their best interest but just vote based on identity politics. The number one thing that is in everyone's best interest right now is solving the fiscal crisis.
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:28 PM   #104
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if you want to allow your neighborhood to become another middle east then allow the bible belt to form another country. Guaranteed in 20 years this will be religious nutbag 3rd world hellhole bigger than iraq or similar muslim countries.
Actualy its the opposite - first states to become middle east are the "progressive" ones. Not as fast as UK becomes middle east, but their time is coming too.
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:40 PM   #105
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On September 22, 1862, Lincoln issued a preliminary proclamation
and that is what I should have referred to instead of the final Emancipation Proclamation.
lincoln also said the black man will never be equal.
he was no egelatarian
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Lincoln didn't give a shit about a slave.

The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the rebelling states and each was
promised that they could keep slavery if they returned to the union.

That MoFo had no choice but to end slavery because no rebelling state complied
and rejoined to the union.
In fact Lincoln had dreams of returning the slaves back to from which they came. The Emancipation Proclamation made everyone slaves to the US government. Our history is full of lies.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:55 PM   #107
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Not every Republican supporter is a rich, white, evangelical teabagger who hates blacks, women, hispanics, gays and kittens. The number one thing that is in everyone's best interest right now is solving the fiscal crisis.
True. Some of us are social liberals / fiscal conservatives who believe the current administration's financial / business policies are too risky to warrant serious investment.

Take for example Steve Wynn's statements from October regarding the considered "Wynn Plaza" :

?That (Wynn Plaza) would have been an investment of $2 billion and created at least another 10,000 regular jobs. I could do that and we could get the money,?

What happened?

?I?m afraid of the president. I have no idea what goofy idea, what crazy, anti-business program this administration will come up with,? Wynn said. ?Every business guy I know in the country is frightened of Barack Obama and the way he thinks.?

~ Steve Wynn, October 2012


P.S. We both voted for Obama the first time.
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:17 PM   #109
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So are you trying to say that rich white people and lunatic fringe evangelicals make up the entire 48% of the US population that voted for them? You mean to say there are no rich white people or lunatic fringe evangelicals firmly entrenched in the Democrat camp? No racist Democrats? No voter suppression tactics used by Democrats? Is it really is just a Republicans = bad, Democrats = good view of the world for you? Would a one party state be more to your liking?

Seriously. Nothing is that cut-and-dry and you can't project your disdain for the Republicans onto everyone in the entire country. Not every Republican supporter is a rich, white, evangelical teabagger who hates blacks, women, hispanics, gays and kittens.

And sure people can go ahead and vote for whoever the hell they please. The problem is that are too many low information voters out there who have no idea what is in their best interest but just vote based on identity politics. The number one thing that is in everyone's best interest right now is solving the fiscal crisis.
There is a very big difference. Of course there are racist & wackos on the Democrats side, but they are not mainstream like they are on the Republican side. It's "extremely" common to hear the typical banter of Obama isn't a US citizen, Liberal is a dirty word.. The Left are evil socialist that want to turn everyone into commies.. The list can go on and on ad on..

Hell I just drove from FL back to New England this weekend and some of the obvious right wing attack ads on the billboard along the highway were just sickening. The GOP has lost it's way but as long as "normal Republicans" allow the crazies to run amok it will only get worse.

When you say "not every" Republican believes the bullshit that gets spewed by the vocal minority in your party, well the ones that don't are just as much of a problem as the ones that do. Right now the "normal" Republicans are allowing the lunatics to run the asylum by not putting the crazies in check.

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Old 11-12-2012, 09:35 PM   #110
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There is a very big difference. Of course there are racist & wackos on the Democrats side, but they are not mainstream like they are on the Republican side. It's "extremely" common to hear the typical banter of Obama isn't a US citizen, Liberal is a dirty word.. The Left are evil socialist that want to turn everyone into commies.. The list can go on and on ad on..

Hell I just drove from FL back to New England this weekend and some of the obvious right wing attack ads on the billboard along the highway were just sickening. The GOP has lost it's way but as long as "normal Republicans" allow the crazies to run amok it will only get worse.

When you say "not every" Republican believes the bullshit that gets spewed by the vocal minority in your party, well the ones that don't are just as much of a problem as the ones that do. Right now the "normal" Republicans are allowing the lunatics to run the asylum by not putting the crazies in check.
Just a few professors - now respond with one white sitting professor who advocates exterminating blacks - I'm waiting.

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The Fedfuzz will take that petition and make an arrest list and come knocking on your door.
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sore losers, whose first thought is to betray the country they claimed to love.

why do they hate our freedom?
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:20 AM   #113
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You are advocating the use of deadly force on men, women, and children of your own country?
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:04 PM   #114
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What a secession madness. Now 40 states join petition fray! So, will Obama use NDAA to arrest state representatives and citizens that support secession?
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What a secession madness. Now 40 states join petition fray! So, will Obama use NDAA to arrest state representatives and citizens that support secession?
This happens after every election. Maybe not as many states, but it happens. In 2000 after bush won 20 states filed their petition to secede.

Since it only takes 25,000 signatures to get the petition up and force the white house to acknowledge it, it isn't hard to do. You can find 25,000 people who are pissed off enough at the government to sign that petition in pretty much every state.

This is just the redneck fringe of the far right flexing and showing that they aren't happy they lost the election.

In two months this will be forgotten about.
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Yep... that is pretty sick ... should be limited to other countries only ....
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What a secession madness. Now 40 states join petition fray! So, will Obama use NDAA to arrest state representatives and citizens that support secession?
Once again the "states" have nothing to do with this.. Any nimrod can go create a petition on that site and get a bunch of other nimrods to click a link to sign it. It doesn't take much to get 25k internet signatures..

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Once again the "states" have nothing to do with this.. Any nimrod can go create a petition on that site and get a bunch of other nimrods to click a link to sign it. It doesn't take much to get 25k internet signatures..

Exactly, now they got actual signatures big difference. I also wonder how many of the same ip's signed all of them.

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So are you trying to say that rich white people and lunatic fringe evangelicals make up the entire 48% of the US population that voted for them? You mean to say there are no rich white people or lunatic fringe evangelicals firmly entrenched in the Democrat camp? No racist Democrats? No voter suppression tactics used by Democrats? Is it really is just a Republicans = bad, Democrats = good view of the world for you? Would a one party state be more to your liking?
In so many words, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Mitt Romney only carried white males - most of whom are affluent, no doubt - and it is my contention that the Republican policy positions and rhetoric have succeeded in driving every other minority and plurality in the electorate out of the GOP camp, while Democratic rhetoric and policy positions have encouraged a much larger, much more viable electoral tent. This is simply true. Unless the GOP embraces a new American electorate, one in which the fastest growing cohort is one that they have sufficiently alienated to have assured Obama's this week?s victory, they are a party destined for the margins.

And really, in comparison with the bigotry that underlies many of the right-leaning stances on immigration, voter suppression, privacy rights for women, etc. etc., that shit is absurd and embarrassing. The Democratic party absolutely does not support that shit. And when Democratic leaders have extreme opinions forced upon them - remember Obama?s minister, Reverend Wright for example - they stand up and make the distinctions between those opinions and the party platform. Not so for the Tea Party fringe, or even for many maintream Republicans. Mitt Romney refused to repudiate his support for Richard Mourdock after that provocative little statement that equated rape with divine purpose in Indiana. But the voters of Indiana reputiated Richard Mourdock. And the voters nationwide repudiated Mitt Romney.

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Seriously. Nothing is that cut-and-dry and you can't project your disdain for the Republicans onto everyone in the entire country. Not every Republican supporter is a rich, white, evangelical teabagger who hates blacks, women, hispanics, gays and kittens.
Yeah, but we're not talking about the entire country here, are we? I do indeed have little regard for the Republican party as a whole. It has embraced what it believes to be a philosophy against high taxation and government intervention at all points that it equates with liberty. I see instead greed and selfishness and a disregard for the responsibilities of citizenship. Furthermore, the Republican party has made no efforts to divorce itself from the statements of those in its ranks who would be so extreme and absurd as to maintan a ridiculous, infantile argument against the citizenship of a president with whom they disagree. It has failed to respond forcefully when some of those attacks have ventured into statements that are overtly racist and xenophobic. Until this party begins to evoke any core value with which I can treat seriously, I will regard it as an intellectual and political black hole and I will say so willingly.

I mean, it's pretty obvious my politics would require a contempt for the Republican party and its positions, as I am sure the Republican party would have contempt for my party affiliations and positions. So fucking what?

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Oh, really? Wow. You really are something else. Seems to me that you're the one who would prefer a one-party state. Thank God we have Eonblue here to let us all know what's in our best interest. I'll tell you what buddy, why don't you draw up an aptitude test that we can administer to voters to tell whether or not they are capable of casting the correct vote. You could devise the questions and judge the answers. And so improve the American electorate that the outcomes would certainly not cause you the frustration that you currently endure. Our collective gratitude would ensue, no doubt.

Why bother with the entire democratic dynamic? Better for all of us if you and those like-minded but otherwise thwarted observers of the American experiment could be engaged to make the decision for us, since you seem to have a direct pipeline to our best interests. That would certainly achieve a better result than the process of government of the people, by the people and for the people. It?s about time we got rid of that weakass bullshit, anyway.
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Just a few professors - now respond with one white sitting professor who advocates exterminating blacks - I'm waiting.
I guess first we'll have to wait for you to tell us how the views of this professor reflect upon, or are in any way associated with the platform of the Democratic party.

Really pathetic.
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Over 700,000 signatures have been placed on the petitions in favor of secession and Texas is leading the way with over 105,000.
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...In 2009, the Democrats became the first government in the history of the planet to establish annual trillion-dollar deficits as a permanent feature of life...

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/de...-trillion.html
If this was a not a political fluff piece from the Opinions and Editorials, the OC Register would win a nice award for inaccurate journalism.

The Governments Fiscal Calendar runs from October 1st to September 30th. Fiscal 2009 begins October 1st, 2008. The 2009 budget was written and submitted to Congress by the Bush Administration. Then we tacked on the Bank Bailouts, the AIG Bailout and the Auto Bailout.

Seriously, the nations biggest problem is not the poor. It is the greed of the rich who pay lower tax rates than the middle class and our continuous Corporate Welfare. Corporate Welfare comes in the form of Tax breaks, Subsidies and Bailouts.

Still, conservatives run around bitching about people living off the Government when we spent three times as much on AIG in 2009 than we did on Welfare. And over 30% of that AIG money was paid out to European banks to keep them from collapsing.

Your welcome Europe. All those Euro's flooding into our housing market were part of the cause of the over inflation of housing prices. Serious investors know that Real Estate is only profitable at 9.5 to 10 times annual rents. Thanks to the rest of the world, my house went up to 35 times annual rents - before dropping back to 10 times. Yep. The U.S. Taxpayers picked up the tab for both our and your bankers shitty investments.
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Over 700,000 signatures have been placed on the petitions in favor of secession and Texas is leading the way with over 105,000.
Given this state has over 25,000,000 people that isn't even a piss drop in the bucket. I'm actually surprised that TX only has 100K signatures. There's gotta be 5 or even 10 million rednecks in this state old enough to know better.
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This shit still up near the top? lmao.

Sour grapes people, sour grapes.

I felt like that when George Bush Junior won by a pubic hairs worth of votes in Ohio and declared it was a mandate for his agenda. He got that political capital and he intended to spend it.. remember? Some of us do.

4 more years. Maybe that's enough time to change some hearts and minds.
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I wonder if the people who have signed these petitions know that this is not going to happen. Do they understand the consequences if they could?
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