Lincoln didn't give a shit about a slave. :2 cents:

The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the rebelling states and each was
promised that they could keep slavery if they returned to the union.

That MoFo had no choice but to end slavery because no rebelling state complied
and rejoined to the union.

Republicans were the liberal party for many decades.

He supported freeing the slaves so that they could be sent to build the Panama Canal. It would have been a boon for northern trade, but cripple the south's agriculture industry. This type of north vs south political maneuvering exists to this day.

Correction : On September 22, 1862, Lincoln issued a preliminary proclamation
and that is what I should have referred to instead of the final Emancipation Proclamation.

Not Greece yet. But that's just because there is a general feeling out there that the US is too big to fail. The reality is that the US is too broke to continue.

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/de...-trillion.html

Are you insinuating that the Republicans were the force that championed civil rights in the mid-1960s? Or trying to suggest that the Republican Party has done a damn thing for the cause of civil rights other than to use it as a wedge issue since 1968 until the present day? Is that what you're doing?

Please go to google and type “Lyndon Johnson” followed by “Civil Rights”.

Then consult google by typing “Richard Nixon” and “Southern Strategy” in the same search.

Black folks know that history intimately. They have voted for the Democratic Party overwhelmingly - in the North and South both - for half a century based on that history. Or do you really think that you have some special, hidden insight into the truth, and 94 percent of African-Americans have been “tricked” into supporting the wrong political party?

No, I didn't insinuate that they championed it. I simply said that more Democrats opposed it than Republicans.

As for what Republicans have done regarding civil rights since then, there are some good examples on that link I posted above: http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

I'm not saying there aren't any racist Republicans. There are. Just like there are racist Democrats. Both white and black.

But, hey, if black people want to keep voting based on what Nixon did in the past, even if it isn't necessarily in their best interest in the present, then I guess that's their choice. Just seems a little ridiculous to not vote based on the more important issues of the day.

Accusing black people of being a little ridiculous and not voting on important issues
is not racist in anyway and anyone claiming so is completely racist.

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True .. They could setup chinese style sweatshops to manufacture the goods for Walmart :2 cents:

there are people in london who want london to be an independent country

france.
this has been proven twice, wat is your point?

You do know that because of the way Congress works, the large Democratic majorities in both houses at that time mean that it was Democratic committee chairs and whips and majority leaders who were the shepherds of all of that legislation, acting on President Johnson’s direct instruction? They maneuvered it to the floor, they bartered the votes, they engineered the victory.

You do know that “Dixiecrats” were called that to distinguish them from the rest of the party and that these legislators would not exist as Democrats much beyond 1968? Lyndon Johnson repudiated the Dixiecrats, knowing it would cost his party power and votes for the longterm. He did so anyway because the views of the Dixiecrats were a plague upon the American future. Just like the Republican party of today.

You do know that every Republican politician of the ensuing half century with national ambitions has used Johnson’s triumph and the shadow of racial politics both as wedges to draw white votes and Southern states to their cause. You do know the name Lee Atwater? Karl Rove? Willie Horton? You’ve heard of welfare queens with Cadillacs?

Are you being serious right now? Are you trying to tell us that the Republican party is responsive to anything but the aspirations of rich white people, and lunatic fringe evangelicals? Why in the fuck would black people vote for a political party that has an entire wing - the teabaggers - complicit in marrying the party to overtly paranoid and racist stances when it comes to such things as the birther bullshit? Why would they vote for the party that was caught red-handed using voter suppression tactics in African-American urban communities? Are you really trying to tell us that it is in their best interest to vote Republican? That it is in ANYONE'S best interest to vote Republican - women, gays, latinos, the middle and working class, etc. etc. Republican policy positions and rhetoric have succeeded in driving every minority and plurality in the electorate out of the GOP camp, that is what happened in this election in case you didn't follow it.

http://coloradoindependent.com/wp-co...ma-lincoln.jpg

Up from 15 to 20...lol http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...190210006.html

Valid point.

you're an ungrateful simpleton. Lincoln was against slavery, his first job as President was to save the Union and why he didn't abolish slavery everywhere - sorry if real life and history isn't a Disney movie. you're only right in that Lincoln put saving the country ahead of ending slavery. if he'd have lost the war there might still be slaves in the South.

here are Lincoln's personal thoughts


"I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free."

It was a rhetorical question.

he kicked ass as a vampire slayer tho :2 cents:

I like the idea of Predator drones taking out rednecks in Mississippi.

yes true,

i kind of guessed that, but i am stuck.

say two states did go against each other, which would USa support? hense why i didnt think your original point was sarcastic.

scared, racist idiots.

Yeah... all this talk about problems in Europe... there must be a hidden agenda or something because the Euro is still very strong. I`m still getting fucked by the euro/dollar exchange... I wish it was true and Europe would collapse a little bit so i would make 25 euro on a 19.95 dollar subscription instead of 16 euro on a 19.95 subscription:-)

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Well, they are asking to peaceably secede; I wonder what their next step will be after it has been denied.

:1orglaugh You have to draw pics around here.

So are you trying to say that rich white people and lunatic fringe evangelicals make up the entire 48% of the US population that voted for them? You mean to say there are no rich white people or lunatic fringe evangelicals firmly entrenched in the Democrat camp? No racist Democrats? No voter suppression tactics used by Democrats? Is it really is just a Republicans = bad, Democrats = good view of the world for you? Would a one party state be more to your liking?

Seriously. Nothing is that cut-and-dry and you can't project your disdain for the Republicans onto everyone in the entire country. Not every Republican supporter is a rich, white, evangelical teabagger who hates blacks, women, hispanics, gays and kittens.

And sure people can go ahead and vote for whoever the hell they please. The problem is that are too many low information voters out there who have no idea what is in their best interest but just vote based on identity politics. The number one thing that is in everyone's best interest right now is solving the fiscal crisis.

Actualy its the opposite - first states to become middle east are the "progressive" ones. Not as fast as UK becomes middle east, but their time is coming too.

lincoln also said the black man will never be equal.
he was no egelatarian
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In fact Lincoln had dreams of returning the slaves back to from which they came. The Emancipation Proclamation made everyone slaves to the US government. Our history is full of lies.

True. Some of us are social liberals / fiscal conservatives who believe the current administration's financial / business policies are too risky to warrant serious investment.

Take for example Steve Wynn's statements from October regarding the considered "Wynn Plaza" :

?That (Wynn Plaza) would have been an investment of $2 billion and created at least another 10,000 regular jobs. I could do that and we could get the money,?

What happened?

?I?m afraid of the president. I have no idea what goofy idea, what crazy, anti-business program this administration will come up with,? Wynn said. ?Every business guy I know in the country is frightened of Barack Obama and the way he thinks.?

~ Steve Wynn, October 2012


P.S. We both voted for Obama the first time.

There is a very big difference. Of course there are racist & wackos on the Democrats side, but they are not mainstream like they are on the Republican side. It's "extremely" common to hear the typical banter of Obama isn't a US citizen, Liberal is a dirty word.. The Left are evil socialist that want to turn everyone into commies.. The list can go on and on ad on..

Hell I just drove from FL back to New England this weekend and some of the obvious right wing attack ads on the billboard along the highway were just sickening. The GOP has lost it's way but as long as "normal Republicans" allow the crazies to run amok it will only get worse.

When you say "not every" Republican believes the bullshit that gets spewed by the vocal minority in your party, well the ones that don't are just as much of a problem as the ones that do. Right now the "normal" Republicans are allowing the lunatics to run the asylum by not putting the crazies in check.

Just a few professors - now respond with one white sitting professor who advocates exterminating blacks - I'm waiting.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/def...5df2a7710c.jpg

The Fedfuzz will take that petition and make an arrest list and come knocking on your door.

sore losers, whose first thought is to betray the country they claimed to love.

why do they hate our freedom?

You are advocating the use of deadly force on men, women, and children of your own country?

Well, if you don't like it here you can always SECDEE!

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...71721876_n.jpg

What a secession madness. Now 40 states join petition fray! So, will Obama use NDAA to arrest state representatives and citizens that support secession?

This happens after every election. Maybe not as many states, but it happens. In 2000 after bush won 20 states filed their petition to secede.

Since it only takes 25,000 signatures to get the petition up and force the white house to acknowledge it, it isn't hard to do. You can find 25,000 people who are pissed off enough at the government to sign that petition in pretty much every state.

This is just the redneck fringe of the far right flexing and showing that they aren't happy they lost the election.

In two months this will be forgotten about.

Yep... that is pretty sick ... should be limited to other countries only .... :upsidedow

Once again the "states" have nothing to do with this.. Any nimrod can go create a petition on that site and get a bunch of other nimrods to click a link to sign it. It doesn't take much to get 25k internet signatures..

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"Stupid" doesn't need state boundaries to sign a petition.

Exactly, now they got actual signatures big difference. I also wonder how many of the same ip's signed all of them.