Last I checked, Oregon and New York are far from red states... There's plenty of nut jobs in both red and blue.. :pimp

Fuck no.

Wow how patriotic of them.

good gawd... I mean yay........Kentucky has the most signatories at 4000. I really gotta move

Only if they got oil.

So successful business people all live down south?

It's only the Right Wingers that tend to be trying to secede every time their guy loses. It will never happen so I'm not really worried about it and I was just giving a opinion on if they could be successful or not. IMO Texas as I said would be the only state that could be successful and that's only if they did it on their own and not as part of a "group".

Personally, I wish the Right would pull their heads out of their asses and regain some common sense, because it would be better for the country as a whole. Instead they just keep pushing to divide the country further.. so as George Bush said.. "Either you're with us or against us".

Given the two choices, I'm against them until they bring back some sanity to their little political party.

We just got a new government last week, their new policies involve huge tax increases.
There was a proposal which could be ending up to 500 euro a month in additional taxes depending on your situation. That proposal stranded already within a week.

But take the economy figures from Switzerland and Sweden (both not maintaining the euro) and compare these to your own country.

I don't think it would ever happen, the Fed won't allow it, but I do think it would work if one or some of the States at the balls to do it.

I don't mean with a currency. I meant the large land mass divided up among smaller countries, instead of one large country with a lot of smaller states.

There was also a recall in California. Remember the rise of the Governator? haha.
Recall != grandstanding secession buttsore.

500 Euro in what case - when you earn 10.000 Euro a month or more?

and you're sure that this is the fault of the EU and not previous governments spending more than they took in?

anyways - people easily blame the EU and totally forget that a huge part of our wealth and freedom today is a result of the EU

Let Texas go ,they receive more fed dollars than they pay in. And when they have to bankroll their own military.

It's not only the South, And I never said All.

I wish the right and left would pull their heads out of their asses.

GOPers are now like little babies crying: "Mom, they took my candy!!!!! " :1orglaugh
Time to accept reality!

Bill Maher does realize that Canada is currently lead by a conservative government doesn't he?

Shifting to more "progressive" thinking in not necessarily a good thing. California is arguably the most progressive state in the US and it will likely be the first to collapse under all of it's own bloated weight bringing the rest of the country down with it. All of the so called progress will be lost when the economy ceases to function.

I was talking progressive more along social lines. I think a balance of both approaches is needed to for economic success.

Progressive versus regressive is the new liberal versus conservative.
Cat's out of the bag on that.

I think you will find a collapsed economy to be far more regressive than any conservative politician or policy could ever be.

Don't think it's so much that he's black as socialism is only popular in certain areas of the US and you know damn well if obama and a lot of democrats could pull it off they would take everyones income and just issue people an allowance in the name of "fairness"

So if one state decides to go to war with another state, which side will the mighty US army take????

Yeah, it's cause he's black. When these same tea-bagging assholes jumped on the "Cain Train" during the Republican primaries, it was only a clever ruse to hide the fact that they actually hate black folks!

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A state doesn't have that power. A state has no standing army outside of city/county police forces. They have no ability to wage war unless you mean some sort of militia movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokenism

You're welcome.

:)

Above a 100k a year yes, but 500 euro is still a lot of money no?
Instead of spending it on healthcare I could also bought content from you :thumbsup

I am not saying it is all the fault of the EU because it is just way to complicated and thus not thru but I did change from a Pro EU into a Anti EU the last years.

I mean look at the recent budget of the EU, they over-spent like 6% and now demand each state is paying up. I believe the dutch said we should just take the 6% off next years budget.

I think the ideology of the EU was nice but seems to be unmanageable, at least with today's policies and treaties.

So by that logic Obama is the Democrats token black person, Hillary is their token woman and Harry Reid is their token Mormon. How inclusive of them.

Your statement would be true if the Democrats did not have tons of Blacks and women
in the political party from the top all they way down to delegates and vote organizers.

Herman Cain is the only brown dude at his rally.

:1orglaugh

Maybe that's because all of the blacks voting for Obama actually believe all of the Democrat BS that Republicans all hate black people. That and maybe black Democrats are racist and hate white people.

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I say dump the deep south. They are dead weight.

Well the history is that after the Democrats supported integration in the 1960's;
angry democrats left the party and became republican and began to run their
campaigns on anti-integration, anti-affirmative action and welfare-blame platforms.

Black people are not stupid enough to vote for that.

But call it what you want and enjoy your fantasy.

If Germany and France go to war with each other, what side will England take?

I think he means if they secede and become their own countries, then went to war with each other.

Actually it was Democrats who tried to filibuster the civil rights act and more Democrats voted against it than did Republicans.

And that whole Dixiecrat thing is just more lies:

The Dixiecrat Myth

The Democrat Race Lie

National Black Republican Association

You just accused every white person who voted for Obama of "tokenism." Congratulations. :thumbsup

Nice try attempting to weasel out of that accusation based on higher melanin counts at rallies.

Speaking of "history" (1861?1865)

http://0.tqn.com/d/history1800s/1/0/...n-1865-400.jpg

Anyone who blindly votes for a politician based on his/her party's "history" is a fucking douche. :2 cents:

Let's make one thing perfectly clear, I did not vote for idiots with crazy ideas, fuck history.


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Well ok then. :thumbsup I can respect that. :2 cents:

The economy has been in recovery for years, despite the doom and gloom mongers' seeming obsession with saying otherwise. Even the housing market is coming back. How near is the end? Are we Greece yet? lmao.. such bs.

ain't that the fuckin' truth!

it will never work. This is what caused the civil war
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LOL.

NOBODY is going to be able to secede from the union. Last time that was tried...the Confederate States Of America was attacked and destroyed by the union.

Yes, states TECHNICALLY can leave the "union"...but let's face it, the federal govt. is the most powerful thing in the U.S. at the moment. And nobody is going to be allowed to leave the "union" under any circumstances EVER.

Roaches check in, but they don't check out. heh-heh