Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19301280)

But yet you think Romney was going to come on board and drop taxes for everyone while reducing the deficit while fixing healthcare?

That's called magic.

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19301285)

No because revenue is always coming in . It will never just stop, now I know people like me fantasize about that but it ain't happening.

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19301289)

fixed it for you..

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19301287)

Damn, read the thread! I was up at 4am,,flew a shitty flight to Saginaw had a 3 hour meeting and then had a shittier flight home. Yet you are the one sounding kind of mental here. READ THE DAMN THREAD!!

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19301285)

No because revenue is always coming in . It will never just stop, now I know people like minte fantasize about that but it ain't happening.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19301295)

i think it's you who needs to lighten up - maybe this helps :winkwink:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19301292)

Why because its the truth. You get off on the idea of it all failing. Your guy lost now you want them all to see the error of their ways because you think you know better.

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 19301214)

I find it hard to believe that business people are this short sighted -- the president changes every four years like clockwork. Something is ALWAYS changing yet business people are holding back on investment because they want 'stability'? I find that to be incredibly short sighted.

I was recently at a speech by a local small(-ish) businessman and he pointed out that he'd been in business for 50 years and tried to grow his business every year no matter what while administrations have come and gone.

Minte - how long have you been running your thing and how long do you plan to? Certainly more than 4 years. So how can you let something as short a a presidential administration dictate your plans?

You say you aren't going to make investments for 4 years, who are you punishing besides yourself? I respect you as a businessman but your widget factory doesn't make you John Galt.

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19300945)

I am glad I couldn't get any reception today on the plane with my phone. Did you guys look at the market today?

The business community is sending Obama a message. Don't ever forget the golden rule!

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19301303)

If the revenue does not match the income [at least] then your logic is flawed.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19301317)

yeah, they are saying they know they can only play reindeer games while republicans are in charge.

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19301313)

Fuck you Tony. I am tired of your stupid attack Minte BS. I came on this evening with a light humor post about the market. And from that I now fantasize about seeing the country fail. Again,, Fuck you.

And you're right,,I know a helluva lot better than you will ever know.

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19301318)

Ww2 113 percent of GDP , Japan in 2010 228 percent of GDP . No it's not flawed , I don't get off on the idea of it all failing.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19301314)

What is the world coming to - I agree with Jimmy 3 Way.

According to Minte it's bad to invest in the future under Obama. At the same time, he expanded his business with a new plant. Go figure.

Businesses don't look at who is in the White House and make business decisions based on this. Even if they did it wouldn't matter much; Nearly half of the population is from one party or the other so at any given time half of the business world wouldn't be interested in growing or expanding.

My wife owns a business which is based on hundreds of small customers who sign up for weekly or monthly training sessions on an hourly basis. If thirty new people suddenly sign up we hire a new instructor to handle the work load - We don't say "The White House is anti business so we'll turn down the new clients". That's fucking retarded.

Originally Posted by woj (Post 19301329)

it works because there is someone still willing to finance it... one day that may dry up, and when that happens shit will hit the fan...:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19301333)

First off, I never said I would not invest for four years. I said my company could lose money for 4 years. I also said that for the first year I would invest cautiously. Just like I have for the last 4 years.
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READ THIS...

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19301327)

Why do you have to get nasty? You were the one talking about how the market was a result of Obama and whats going to happen when the money runs out. Ive never been nasty to you.

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 19301354)

Any serious business person invest CAUTIOUSLY all the time ... Business is not a crap table ...
You research, compile, evaluate return, tendancy, competition, demand .. and once all the T are crossed out you invest ...:2 cents:

Seems Obama is good for you, as if he would have been defeated, you would have invested carelessly ...

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19301361)

If anyone told me to my face that I dream about the country failing, one of us would be laying on the floor. If you want to insult me to the highest degree you just did.

You and Rochard go on and on. You don't read the thread and then go into attack mode.
I didn't start this thread. He thought it would be cute to dig me because I will be again paying far more than my share of tax.

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19301333)

First off, I never said I would not invest for four years. I said my company could lose money for 4 years. I also said that for the first year I would invest cautiously. Just like I have for the last 4 years.

I have been in business more than 30 years. I don't have any plans on retiring, ever.
I like my job. When there are unknown expenses looming and no one can tell you how much it will cost, no businessman that is going to last, lays all his cash down on RED and crosses his fingers,closes his eyes and prays...

READ THIS...

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 19301367)

My point/questions was really, aren't there ALWAYS unknown expenses looming?

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19301374)

This is so indicative of what I've been seeing that last few years in this country. Successful people being attacked because they are successful.

It makes zero sense to me.

People used to strive to be rich. Now it seems that everywhere you go there are a pack of folks attacking anybody who has made any money.

This country is really starting to get weird...Liberals love the govt., people want to give more of their hard earned money to crooked politicians in Washington, and Paul Markham has all the answers.

Not the country I grew up in . (talking about the people living in it and the attitudes they have toward WORK and success)

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19301380)

Sure there are. Cost of goods go up and down. Energy costs go up and down. Those are factored in when jobs are quoted and priced. Labor costs only go down if you are forced to reduce the workforce. Over the years, margins have gone down. There isn't a lot of room for errors. On average, businesses like mine work on less than a 10% margin.

If someone would tell me, what my insurance costs will be in 24 months, we can plan for that. If someone would tell us that they are going to take away the rapid depreciation deduction on capital equipment we could plan for that.

This is the problem. There are tax increases...how much? There is Obamacare, how much? We already spend on average $11,000 annually per employee just on health insurance. Then there is workcomp insurance, dental, life and 401K. That 10% doesn't leave much room.

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19301384)

A lot of clueless people in this thread. Sad. Very fucking sad.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19301282)

So who won the Election? :D

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19300184)

and these wars (started by Bush - or whoever used him as puppet) were what drove the US budget in the shitter - not a few % taxes more or less

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19301451)

I am ending this thread with the one good thing that happened today. A few weeks ago the girlscouts used our plant to distribute two truckloads of cookies to the various troops. We supplied forklifts and labor to unload and set up all the cookies.

I mentioned to the lady in charge, that I didn't have any girlscouts come to the house to sell me some cookies. and I really like the thin mints. I was thinking maybe two boxes. :)

When I got back to the office this afternoon, there were 3 cases! of thin mints sitting on my desk. I loaded the first case on the golfcart and cruised around the shop and passed out sealed sleaves of cookies. All we were missing was the ice cold milk.

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19301451)

I am ending this thread with the one good thing that happened today. A few weeks ago the girlscouts used our plant to distribute two truckloads of cookies to the various troops. We supplied forklifts and labor to unload and set up all the cookies.

I mentioned to the lady in charge, that I didn't have any girlscouts come to the house to sell me some cookies. and I really like the thin mints. I was thinking maybe two boxes. :)

When I got back to the office this afternoon, there were 3 cases! of thin mints sitting on my desk. I loaded the first case on the golfcart and cruised around the shop and passed out sealed sleaves of cookies. All we were missing was the ice cold milk.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19301464)

I found them online!

They are called: Thank U Berry Munch

Now I must find them.

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19301095)

I have no idea what you are talking about. The market dropped 324 points today.
I was in a small plane flying to and from Saginaw Mi. I thought the market drop was funny. The BIG money people( I am not a part of that group) decided to send Obama a reminder.. The man that has the gold, makes the rules.

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19301383)

No one is being attacked for being successful. I have a great respect for success.

Originally Posted by beemk (Post 19300362)

Make up your mind.